Hahahahaha Too frustrated liao must come out rant abit to balance the mood. Still following the games nevertheless.

cant imagine a 33 year old rooney still earning 300k per week

^ yeah susah mau offload him in fm riao.

Recently I can't stand the way Carrick play. He too negative on attacking and tracking back for defensive really poor.

Moyes should try Kagawa and put him as CM and Jones or Fletcher as DM

While Mata should be as AMF he is not fast enough to be winger.Set the game around Mata as his passing is masterpiece

TLDR ALERT...TFLDFR...a lil bit about our clueless hated manager...who clueless?i?me?we?us?...we dont know him personally...let someone close to him sembang sket about him...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/...xplain-how.html


David Moyes can cope with a crisis - those who know the Manchester United manager best explain how
Special report: Former players and colleagues say Manchester United manager will meet current predicament with ruthlessness, conviction and innovation.
David Moyes: Special Report: How David Moyes copes with a crisis - by those who know him the best

It was in a meeting room at Houston’s Westin Galleria hotel, in the summer of 2004, when David Moyes crossed a rubicon which turned a managerial crisis into the springboard towards succeeding Sir Alex Ferguson at Manchester United.
The oppressive Texan heat outside the building mirrored the tension within it as Moyes’s Everton squad assembled to be addressed by the Scot.
“Pre-season had started badly,” recalls former Everton midfielder Kevin Kilbane. “We lost at Crewe and Burnley and there was definitely a negative feel about the club because David was under a lot of pressure at the time.

“But we got to Houston, he brought us all together and called a couple of meetings where we were all encouraged to get things off our chest.
“He said he wanted ideas from us and was looking to listen and learn. It was a big change for him because he always had a real intensity about him.
“At the time, he was so hands-on that he would even take the pre-match warm-up on the pitch and be involved in everything, but he took a step back and it worked because Everton finished fourth that season.”
David Weir, the senior player within the Everton squad at the time, admits Moyes had reached a stage where his ‘intensity’ had to change.
“A 5-1 defeat at Manchester City at the end of the 2003-04 season magnified a few of the problems the team was having,” Weir said. “I think it made David realise he had to change some things.

“He was always very intense, but on that trip to Houston, he took his foot off the gas a bit.
“He gave the players a bit more space, little things like allowing us to go to the shopping malls and have more down time, and the players appreciated it.
“From that point on, the players and staff came together a bit more, little barriers came down and everyone was more relaxed because of it.”
Ten years on, Moyes is facing the biggest challenge of his career at United, with the turbulence of Ferguson’s departure borne out by the champions going into Sunday’s fixture against Fulham at Old Trafford languishing in seventh position and already out of both domestic cups.
If Moyes had a problem in Houston, the magnitude of the task he faces at United is on a wholly different level.
However, those who have worked with the 50-year-old when he has wrestled with difficulties at Everton and Preston North End insist he has the credentials, toughness and single-mindedness to drag United back to the top.
“At United, he is in a period of transition and facing something that is 99 per cent bigger than anything he has been involved in before,” Weir said.
“When things aren’t going well, his approach would vary, but it was never difficult to judge his mood. He can’t hide his feelings, but he will not dress over an issue, he will meet it head on.

“He will do things to the nth degree and if things aren’t working, I suspect he will not be able to sleep at night because he is so driven to make things right.
“He is his own man and has always made the decisions. He has his tried and tested methods which have been modified over time, but he will not cut corners.”
David Healy, the Northern Ireland forward who was Moyes‘s £1.5m club record signing at Preston when arriving from United in December 2000, said: “I grew up in Belfast and you just develop a mentality, a toughness, that carries you through when things are hard and David has exactly the same background, coming from Glasgow.
“He has an inner belief. That is what struck me the first time I met him. He definitely has the credentials to tough it out at United and I think his upbringing is part of that.

“He has stepped into big shoes at United, but he doesn’t lack the strength of character required.
“I saw similarities between him and Sir Alex. They share a real desire to be successful and that conviction that they will win.”
Mick Rathbone, the physiotherapist who worked alongside Moyes at Preston and Everton, claimed the manager was ‘like Rain Man’ due to his analytical ability, a man who could assess and deconstruct an opponents tactical plan ‘within minutes.’
At United, Moyes has been criticised for producing one-dimensional football and adopting a cautious approach, but when his Preston team was in the midst of a slump of seven defeats in eight games during the 2000-01 campaign, he responded by going for broke.
“We went to Portsmouth when we were really struggling, but David set us out 4-3-3 with three strikers and really went for it,” recalls Sean Gregan, Moyes’s captain at Preston.
“We won the game 1-0 and went on a winning run that took us the Championship Play-Off Final, so I think that shows he has always been prepared to be bold and go for it.

“Back then, everybody played 4-4-2 and it was just bog standard, but David would talk about all sorts of formations -- the kind that all the top teams are using now.
“He was always ahead of the game. We were in the third tier at Preston in the late-1990s, but even then, he was into nutrition, sports psychology and ProZone. I think we were using ProZone long before anybody else.
“He wasn’t afraid to try different methods. He even took us to Catterick Army Barracks once and had us training with the soldiers -- up at 6am and running in the dark!”

Brian McBride, the United States forward who played under Moyes at Preston and Everton, echoed Gregan’s view of Moyes being a progressive coach.
“He is a guy who wants to learn about new ideas and broaden his horizons and one thing that still stands out is the day my loan spell ended at Preston.” McBride said.
“He could have just seen me off with a handshake, but he asked me to come in for a chat and we spent an hour walking around the training ground, talking about the game and my knowledge of US sports and what they do differently to what I had encountered at Preston.
“David was not afraid to do things differently to the norm, he wants to stay ahead of the game and that morning proved that to me.
“Sure, he will not have dealt with anything of the magnitude he now faces at United and I imagine he will take it all very personally.
“David isn’t the kind of guy who will leave it at the office. If he isn’t with his family, he is just focused on the job, determined to make things better. And he will.”
Despite Moyes’s commitment to new ideas -- he has recruited John Murtough, the Premier League’s head of elite performance, to take charge of the search for new methods at United -- the Glaswegian can also be ‘old-school,’ on and off the pitch.

Local journalists who covered Preston under Moyes referred to his airless office at Deepdale as ‘Hitler’s bunker,’ due to his fearsome persona, with one reporter warned he would ‘never to get anything from me again’ if he published a story about Gregan’s contract.
The story duly ran and Moyes stuck to his word, even berating the journalist for attending a pre-season friendly at nearby Bamber Bridge months later.
Another reporter was surprised to see Moyes turn up on his doorstep, having driven to house, to confront him over an end-of-season review which suggested that the then centre-half’s ‘legs had gone.’

Moyes has since softened his stance with the media, sharing lengthy off-record conversations with reporters during his time at Everton, before taking the United correspondents for dinner in Sydney last summer in a ‘getting-to-know-you’ exercise.
Moyes’s players have also experienced both sides of his persona, with the training ground dressing-downs and then the softer side away from the pitch.
“He suspended me once for an altercation on the training ground,” Gregan said. There was no Twitter or Facebook back then, so it never came out, but even though I was the captain and one of the club’s most saleable assets, he suspended me.

“I was just being chippy with him and over-stepped the boundaries, so he made me walk back from training, for three miles in my boots, and warned the other lads not to give me a lift. They were laughing as they went past, peeping their horns, but I wasn’t.
“It was a Monday and he suspended me for a week, but I went in on the Thursday, apologised to him and that was that.
“He drew a line under it, played me on the Saturday and we moved on to the point that, a few weeks later, he took me out for tea and we just talked football for a couple of hours.
“Then again, he called us all in one Christmas Day and sent us home as soon as we had arrived, just so he could make sure we weren’t eating or drinking too much!
“But make no bones about it, he is made of steel and if he has drop the Van Persies or Rooneys at United, he will do.
“He is having a tough time right now and probably struggling for the first time in his managerial career, but even Jose Mourinho would have found it tough at United this season, so I’m convinced he will get it right.”

Ordering Robin van Persie or Wayne Rooney to march three miles back from training is unlikely to work at United, but regardless of the characters involved, Kilbane believes Moyes can, and will, get the best from Old Trafford’s superstars.
“David saw that Duncan Ferguson was a huge influence in the dressing-room at Everton, particularly on the younger lads like Wayne,” Kilbane said. “So he took him on and challenged him, to the point that Duncan left the club.
“Thomas Gravesen was also high maintenance, on and off the pitch, but David got the best out of him and, in the end, Tommy ended up at Real Madrid.
“He knows how to handle top-class talent and he isn’t afraid to deal with big characters. I’m sure he will be doing that at United.”
McBride, whose loan period at Preston in the 2000-01 season was disrupted by a blood clot problem which sidelined him for weeks, believes his experience of dealing with Moyes emphasised his ability to coax the best out of players.

“He really impressed me,” McBride said. “When I signed for Preston, I didn’t know anybody and I couldn’t play for three months because of a blood clot in my arm, but he looked after me and spoke to me regularly.
“He communicated really well, both on the soccer side and the personal side, and made me feel like he cared about me.
“I saw that repeatedly in his dealings with players, both at Preston and Everton.
“David is not one to shy away from issues and he was always a man who would take on anything in front of him.
“He wasn’t afraid to ask hard questions, but he was a great communicator and he would get his point across, both to deal with the question and to motivate.
“I remember a bad defeat at Selhurst Park and he kept us all locked in the dressing room for an hour.
“Nobody left, and it wasn’t a softly-spoken post-mortem by any means, but it was done with the purpose of putting things right.
“There were some very candid comments made and the guys eventually left the dressing-room thinking it was crazy, but it was actually the opposite because it got us all back in the right frame of mind.

“I thoroughly enjoyed playing for him. He made you work hard, but he also made you better.”

Really TLDR
and still next season OUT

Not too TLDR...but still TLDR...so TFLDFR...

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/manchesterun...id/4338?cc=4716

In 2003-04, United finished a hefty 15 points behind the unbeaten champions Arsenal. Whilst that Arsene Wenger vintage was certainly one of the greatest teams this country has seen, United’s challenge was unimpressive and certainly below par for the team who had topped the table in the previous season.

The big change at United the summer before had been the departure of David Beckham to Real Madrid. However, it was not only the England captain who departed to the Spanish capital: Ferguson's second-in-command, Carlos Queiroz, was tempted away as manager. The lure of coaching Ronaldo, Figo and Zinedine Zidane was an unmissable opportunity for the man who had been tasked with reshaping United’s tactical approach in Europe.

In 2004-05, Jose Mourinho arrived at Chelsea with Roman Abramovich’s cheque book in hand and set about breaking records in the English top flight. Carlos Queiroz also returned to Manchester and set about rebuilding the team with Ferguson.

Progress was not immediate: United finished third for the second season in succession. It was the club's worst spell for more than a decade and the fans were bemoaning the tactics in the stands. Sound familiar at all?

As the 2005-06 season came to a close, United had shown signs of improvement. They finished as runners-up, only eight points behind an imperious Chelsea, and Queiroz’s work with Cristiano Ronaldo was beginning to bear fruit.

United won the next three titles and capped it all by winning the Champions League again in 2008. By taking the time to rebuild, and having the humility to bring back an old coach, Ferguson found the winning formula again.


This post has been edited by budakhijau: Feb 17 2014, 12:37 PM

I remember that stretch of years. In the EPL we were struggling against Arsenal and their invincibles, then Mourinho joined Chelsea and gave us another serious rival.

In Europe we had a bad time too, 3 years in a row of struggling to make a mark. If memory serves at one point we even went out in the group stages in a group we had expected to qualify from easily. Keane left United on bad terms too.

Very frustrating 3 seasons, it was hard to be optimistic... when Chelsea won the league and added Ballack and Shevchenko (who would have expected him to flop so badly?) to their squad, on paper they looked very intimidating.

I remember those days too. People were saying that Fergie's gone senile. Wasn't that the time people were saying Sack Fergie, Sell Giggs?

Dark times those. Trophyless and people were saying how awesome Chelsea with Mourinho and their superstars looked and how Arsene had his awesome young bloods playing awesome football while United had a mediocre squad grinding out boring football against mediocre teams and then after all that only bought Carrick. People were writing eulogies about a shift in power from Manchester to London. About how it was the end of an era.

Sure times are bad now and it sucks to have all these shitty results. But more than other times, the club needs to rally together now and see things through this dark period. Moyes may or may not be around next season or the season after next even. But the fact is, the club is in transition. Anything related to the old era has gone (as should be). There is and never will be a replacing Fergie and instead, the club is trying to find something new to move forward. Whether Moyes is that man to bring the club forward, who knows? Only time will tell. But still the club needs to move on. I can only look forward to how Moyes will react to this adversity and how the next season will turn out. As for this season, I'm already on the assumption that the club won't make europe. I guess the good thing about that is that this means the club can spend big and not worry about the FFP rules.

^ dun care. stil #moyesout. trolololollolol

ur siggy too big oso. pls resize it.

next match against C.Palace....i think can makan wan lar...samo alrdy horideii in dubai, more than a week cuti. if kenot win, i rili facepalm.jpg riao.

still better than lying in midtable position....

oh btw if rene meulensteen is available why not to take him back?

We should take Meulensteen back....

It would be great if we could have Meulensteen back. Moyes also wanted him to stay. I just hope they can both agree to a compromise.

Yup..hope he back also..or maybe quieroz?

quieroz not possible...he currently coacing iran until world cup...

If he is willing to come back, he would definitely be a very welcome addition.

The question is whether he is willing to come back and work under DM. I got the feeling when he left that he wasn't really keen to work under DM (maybe he felt he was ready for a bigger role and DM bringing in his own people meant that wasn't possible), went to Anzi to be Hiddink's assistant before they went mad, then became manager there and got sacked after a few games. Went to Fulham to be Jol's assistant, then they sacked the manager and made him manager, and AGAIN he got removed after a few games. His pride might be a bit wounded after all this (his radio interview certainly gave that indication).

Some indication that he has a bit of an ego (and given his ability as an assistant I don't blame him), so while his quality as an assistant is not in doubt at all.. his readiness to put pride aside is... unknown

As I mentioned above, the main roadblock is probably that he wants to be the #2 at the club as he was under SAF. I can understand him not wanting/being willing to take a demotion after doing a good job for so long, that's probably why he left in the first place.

DM on the other hand has his own team which he has worked with for years, it would be hard for him to take him in and install him as #2. His own #2 would feel betrayed.

Best chance would be if DM decided he wants 2 people in the #2 role, with equal rank. That would be the only compromise I could see happening, if they're all willing to close one eye.

I think DM had gone really soft with Rooney. He is not the same level with Messi or Ronaldo, not even top scorer in league, why pay that much? In fact current 250K is already too much, what would the other players think ? Fergie was right to give him the cold shoulder last season, this guy is too selfish

because moyes reputation already bad with his current performance
i think if he not renew rooney contract.. u think what happen to him?

Maybe we should take both rene meulensteen and ray wilkins too.