Ok maybe C segment but with smaller cabin inside...

Not smaller but way smaller than Forte.

Nobody is getting fooled and nobody is blindly supporting anything. You are connecting the wrong dots here. For you segments are determined  by legroom which is NOT the case. There are about 10-15 different dimensional criteria which determine segmentation. Legroom is just one of them.

Nope sorry. I dont agree with you here. Why dont you provide us with actual dimensions both external and internal to back up your claims? There are many websites which will provide these dimensions so you should be able to easily find it.

C-segment 1.6 is for those who can't afford 1.8L or 2.0L but wanted a C-segment anyway. So you're saying your crap 3rd nation Lavina 1.6L with poor aerodynamic and kerb weight as heavy as C-segment struggle on highway? Not just the 1.6L, even your 1.8L struggle on highway due to 4AT where FC won't go pass 14km/L unless you use cheat the fuel pump nozzle method in lightfoot contest.

I went for Forte 1.6EX because of less gadget and smaller tyres aka cheaper maintenance. Also, already predicted that NASA lousy marketing causing the 2.0L RV drop to just slightly higher than 1.6SX on first year.

Local Kia engine is in fact more advanced than Honta and N-brand but beaten by Mazda/Ford GDI engines. However, they already have downgraded injectors for their GDI engines and the Hyundai i40 has been altered to suit our local fuel grade. Toyota already has the tech available in Lexus, but not willing to use on Toyota in mass yet.

The name NAZAK and later NASA was given by you. Honta means Ultar while N-brand refers to 3rd nation junks. Nissan refers to Altima, Sentra US.

But you are trying your best to justify you are right.
If first test(legroom) already failed, doing other test are kinda wasting my time.
Ok, even I close 1 eye and let it passed, rear headroom also failed. So comfort already failed for rear passenger.
Then hip room like you said? This is affected greatly by legroom. So, it will be the same.

What does the dimensions tell? Nothing. Comfort or not still have to sit on the actual car.
If I were to look at those numbers, I already bought it before it launched.

I am right. You said that based on legroom, the Cerato is NOT a C segment. 100% wrong. Then you said this Cerato is MUCH SMALLER than the previous Forte. Also 100% wrong. Now suddenly u are changing your line of argument and talking about comfort. Common la friend. 

Let me give you some actual dimensions to prove my point to you. This is comparison between Cerato vs Forte. First set of data is for Cerato and all in inches.

Front head room - 39.1,40.0
Front leg room - 42.2, 43.3
Front hip room - 53.8, 53.0
Front shoulder room - 56.1, 55.7
Rear head room - 37.3, 37.6
Rear leg room - 35.9, 35.0
Rear hip room - 53.1, 53.3
Rear shoulder room - 54.9, 54.7
Width - 70.1, 69.9
Length - 179.5, 178.3
Wheelbase - 106.3, 104.3

Ive given you actual FACTS. So now please share with me how you came about with your statement that the new Cerato is MUCH SMALLER than the previous Forte? Lets see your facts.

I didn't sit at the rear seat that time so can't comment on rear space...
But in front confirmed feel smaller, or is it bcoz cerato dashboard more bigger than forte so dashboard use more front space ? I believed manufacturer didn't provide dashboard size, do they ?

I am right. You said that based on legroom, the Cerato is NOT a C segment. 100% wrong. Then you said this Cerato is MUCH SMALLER than the previous Forte. Also 100% wrong. Now suddenly u are changing your line of argument and talking about comfort. Common la friend. 

Let me give you some actual dimensions to prove my point to you. This is comparison between Cerato vs Forte. First set of data is for Cerato and all in inches.

Front head room - 39.1,40.0
Front leg room - 42.2, 43.3
Front hip room - 53.8, 53.0
Front shoulder room - 56.1, 55.7
Rear head room - 37.3, 37.6
Rear leg room - 35.9, 35.0
Rear hip room - 53.1, 53.3
Rear shoulder room - 54.9, 54.7
Width - 70.1, 69.9
Length - 179.5, 178.3
Wheelbase - 106.3, 104.3

Ive given you actual FACTS. So now please share with me how you came about with your statement that the new Cerato is MUCH SMALLER than the previous Forte? Lets see your facts.

BTW, you buy a car based on what? Based on those numbers?

Those numbers to show both in same segment which is C segment...

Well, he just merely want's to prove me wrong. Will he slap his own face on this to provide you the figures? I doubt so he will.
Anyway, the sales of the new Cerato is a good point to prove us how good they are. Till today, Altis numbers till standing top when comparing Cerato.

I see, guess I stuck in the time where comfort comes first. Now people buy a car based on numbers and forget about comfort.

Tis again is another silly statement but this time im not gonna rebut using my argument. Ill let the expert Paul Tan deal with this false accusation of yours. So please read this article to the end and then come tell me that Paul Tan is wrong and you are right.

Can i bring your attention to Paul Tan's exact words in the this article in the 3rd last paragraph:

'On the comfort front, the Cerato has them all licked'

The article itself:
http://paultan.org/2013/07/04/driven-kia-c...alaysian-roads/

But then again, what does Paul Tan know about cars and comfort right? he's just a noob right? Ure so much more of an expert than him. 

(Btw, again im not saying the Cerato is a great car worthy of top sales or purchase so dont mince my words yea?!) 

U are just being childish. The purpose of my last few posts is to prove you have made a mistake in 2 things:

1) Legroom is not the ONLY factor which determines vehicle segmentation
2) The new Cerato is NOT MUCH SMALLER than the Forte

And i believe that i have proven my points above beyond doubt. I have never said that the Cerato is a good car, or that it is better than the Altis or that its a worthy buy or that Cerato sales are better than any other car out there or that we should buy cars based on dimensions.

You have made 2 mistakes and i have proven you wrong. Learn to admit your mistake and move on. LYN is a forum to discuss and learn in a matured manner. Everybody makes mistakes. No big dea and no need to get emotional.

Cheers!

(Btw, you dont know what the actual sale numbers are for any of the makes in the country so try not to claim something when you do not have the data to back yourself up. And just to be clear in case you fail to understand simple English, im not saying that Cerato sales are better than Altis or any other car out there)

He is being paid for such review. Why not get that UK jerk Jeremy Clakson's review?
Again, I said Cerato is smaller than Forte that's my real world testing, I don't give a sheet on those numbers. Which another member also agreed with me on this.

At any 1 time, out of 10 C-segment cars, I can see 3 Altis, 3 Civics and 0 Ceratos most of the time. Waiting time too long?

Again, I said Cerato is smaller than Forte that's my real world testing, I don't give a sheet on those numbers. Which another member also agreed with me on this.