Toyota Altis 1.8 versus Kia Cerato 1.6, Which should I buy?
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 Feb 2 2014, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE(potatoes @ Jan 30 2014, 11:07 PM) Hi, may I know why you refer NAZA as NASA? Thanks That name was given by jolokia and N-brand marketing staff back in AW forum. At first they used NAZAK, then NASA. I just follow them. They are afraid of lawsuit probably. |
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Feb 2 2014, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Feb 2 2014, 12:04 PM) C-segment 1.6 is for those who can't afford 1.8L or 2.0L but wanted a C-segment anyway. So you're saying your crap 3rd nation Lavina 1.6L with poor aerodynamic and kerb weight as heavy as C-segment struggle on highway? Not just the 1.6L, even your 1.8L struggle on highway due to 4AT where FC won't go pass 14km/L unless you use cheat the fuel pump nozzle method in lightfoot contest. Ah ha ! Now ur statement is contradict with the previous statement that 1.6 & 1.8 no differences. I went for Forte 1.6EX because of less gadget and smaller tyres aka cheaper maintenance. Also, already predicted that NASA lousy marketing causing the 2.0L RV drop to just slightly higher than 1.6SX on first year. Local Kia engine is in fact more advanced than Honta and N-brand but beaten by Mazda/Ford GDI engines. However, they already have downgraded injectors for their GDI engines and the Hyundai i40 has been altered to suit our local fuel grade. Toyota already has the tech available in Lexus, but not willing to use on Toyota in mass yet. The name NAZAK and later NASA was given by you. Honta means Ultar while N-brand refers to 3rd nation junks. Nissan refers to Altima, Sentra US. Grand Livina is a MPV@Wagon, the main purpose r for those who need a 5+2 vehicle, aka those who need to fetch extra passenger but not on regular basis, therefore 1.6 is more that adequate though 1.8 is also available. Nissan fuel economy test is conduct by various renowned auto website include AW, Paultan.org & CBT therefore the results is reliable. U went for Kosong specs EX because even base on max 9 years loan you r not qualify for SX loan. N brand r renowned for its ultra reliable engine that why it is the preferred brand for long distance Taxi (light blue taxi), this year TC will launch Altima & New Sylphy aka US Sentra with latest dual VVT tech. The record in AW clearly shows U R the one who started NASA for NAZA as u afraid getting disciplinary/legal action. Few months ago u dare to says Forte can sell good price ..lol now 4 years Forte 2.0 aleady loss 50% resales value..wakakaka |
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Feb 2 2014, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Feb 2 2014, 02:03 PM) Few months ago u dare to says Forte can sell good price ..lol now 4 years Forte 2.0 aleady loss 50% resales value..wakakaka Is it ? How much 2010 sylphy price now ? |
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Feb 3 2014, 02:48 PM
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QUOTE(sitescope @ Feb 2 2014, 06:57 PM) Is it ? How much 2010 sylphy price now ? Nissan Sylphy 2010 can still get 55% of selling price, Naza Forte is currently the most teruk RV 2.0 C segment.Cannot imagine RV for those taking 7-9 years loan when they complete their loan. When I said Forte would end up like Spectra no one believe, now I can say "I told u so" ...lol So expect Cerato to faced the same future. .sigh |
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Feb 3 2014, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Feb 3 2014, 02:48 PM) Nissan Sylphy 2010 can still get 55% of selling price, Naza Forte is currently the most teruk RV 2.0 C segment. Most teruk ? How ur calc ? Can u show some sample here...Cannot imagine RV for those taking 7-9 years loan when they complete their loan. When I said Forte would end up like Spectra no one believe, now I can say "I told u so" ...lol So expect Cerato to faced the same future. .sigh Based on all 6 cars below in same 2.0cc spec (selling price in 2010 is stated inside) :- http://paultan.org/2009/11/25/kia-forte-he...alue-for-money/ http://paultan.org/2008/05/30/nissan-sylph...ls-and-pricing/ http://paultan.org/2009/03/19/new-honda-ci...ed-in-malaysia/ http://paultan.org/2009/06/10/mazda-3-spor...ed-in-malaysia/ http://paultan.org/2009/02/16/facelifted-p...le-in-malaysia/ http://paultan.org/2010/03/15/ford-focus-2...shift-rm128888/ I dunno any trusted source for 2nd hand car price... Maybe u can calc from mudah.my... This post has been edited by sitescope: Feb 3 2014, 03:23 PM |
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Feb 3 2014, 03:21 PM
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Feb 3 2014, 02:48 PM) Nissan Sylphy 2010 can still get 55% of selling price, Naza Forte is currently the most teruk RV 2.0 C segment. Eh friend dont u get tired with this same crap over n over again ah? Dont u have more important things to worry about? Keep on and on about resale value. Instead of just talking about poor resale value why dont u provide actual figures comparing original purchase price with current 2nd hand selling price for each make e.g Forte, Sylphy, Civic and Altis? Provide at least 3 examples for each (with links) then let them see for themselves. Figures cannot lie so why dont u just provide them the actual info instead of going on and on trying to prove them wrong? Damn sien listening to the same nonsense on all Kia threads la.Cannot imagine RV for those taking 7-9 years loan when they complete their loan. When I said Forte would end up like Spectra no one believe, now I can say "I told u so" ...lol So expect Cerato to faced the same future. .sigh |
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Feb 3 2014, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE(sitescope @ Feb 3 2014, 03:16 PM) Most teruk ? How ur calc ? Can u show some sample here... Do a simple table with the original selling price vs the current 2nd hand selling price for each make. U can get info from Mudah. Give at least 3 examples for each. Then easier for everybody to see and judge for themselves. If not this will just be a never-ending boring discussion.Based on all 5 cars below in same 2.0cc spec (selling price in 2010 is stated inside) :- http://paultan.org/2009/11/25/kia-forte-he...alue-for-money/ http://paultan.org/2008/05/30/nissan-sylph...ls-and-pricing/ http://paultan.org/2009/03/19/new-honda-ci...ed-in-malaysia/ http://paultan.org/2009/06/10/mazda-3-spor...ed-in-malaysia/ http://paultan.org/2009/02/16/facelifted-p...le-in-malaysia/ I dunno any trusted source for 2nd hand car price... Maybe u can calc from mudah.my... |
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Feb 3 2014, 03:25 PM
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Ya lorrr... I suspect he's desperate Nissan salesman...
Try to boost his Almera sales... |
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Feb 3 2014, 03:27 PM
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The old Cerato I'm sure it is a true C-segment car, but the current Cerato I doubt it is a C-segment car. The most can say is B-segment size with C-segment equipment.
Do I need welcome light? Yes, to attract I or my other half get robbed. |
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Feb 3 2014, 03:29 PM
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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 3 2014, 03:27 PM) The old Cerato I'm sure it is a true C-segment car, but the current Cerato I doubt it is a C-segment car. The most can say is B-segment size with C-segment equipment. Segments are not determined by the equipment range in the car la. Segments are mainly based on dimensions. Equipment range is not always determined by an individual's wants and needs. Its given to add value. Its silly to start this discussion about wats needed and whats not needed. Most Malaysians will say they dont need stability control also. How many of us have been in accidents that require airbag deployment? Does that mean we dont need airbags also. My point is dont bother with the 'i dont need this' argument. Doesnt get you anywhere. Do I need welcome light? Yes, to attract I or my other half get robbed. I dunno what u refering to as old Cerato. There is only one Cerato in Malaysia and thats the current version. Both the Forte and Cerato are C segment cars the same as the BMW 320i. This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Feb 3 2014, 03:32 PM |
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Feb 3 2014, 03:31 PM
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Feb 3 2014, 02:48 PM) Naza Forte is currently the most teruk RV 2.0 C segment. No it's not. The Ford Focus will be much worse.This post has been edited by dares: Feb 3 2014, 03:31 PM |
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Feb 3 2014, 03:34 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Feb 3 2014, 03:29 PM) Segments are not determined by the equipment range in the car la. Segments are mainly based on dimensions. I dunno what u refering to as old Cerato. There is only one Cerato in Malaysia and thats the current version. Both the Forte and Cerato are C segment cars the same as the BMW 320i. Is it? When I want to sit to the old Cerato on driver side, I have no problem entering it. Steering also never hit my leg with the seat pull to the middle.While the new Cerato I have problem entering it and steering still hitting my leg even with the seat push to back totally. BTW, I use Lancer/Inspira as benchmark. Unless I'm using Myvi as benchmark, yes, I do agree with you that current Cerato is a C-segment car. Even Myvi have way more legroom than Cerato. |
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Feb 3 2014, 03:38 PM
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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 3 2014, 03:27 PM) The old Cerato I'm sure it is a true C-segment car, but the current Cerato I doubt it is a C-segment car. The most can say is B-segment size with C-segment equipment. I sat on cerato showroom before... Feel cabin quite smaller inside... like B segment size...Do I need welcome light? Yes, to attract I or my other half get robbed. The rear lamp is weird... due to the LED lamp quite big... |
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Feb 3 2014, 03:41 PM
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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 3 2014, 03:34 PM) Is it? When I want to sit to the old Cerato on driver side, I have no problem entering it. Steering also never hit my leg with the seat pull to the middle. Do you know how many different dimensions are taken into consideration? U are only refering to legroom. What about hip room, head room, shoulder room, etc? What about the total length of the car, wheelbase, width, etc? All these need to be taken into consideration. You need to also consider seat design, dashboard overhang, size of side panels, etc as well. So you cant just use legroom. What about the legroom in the BMW 320i? Have u sat in one? Go sit and tell me how much legroom you have inside. If u only compare legroom, then the Sylphy is surely D segment while the BMW 320i is B segment cuz its quite cramped in there. What about the new Ford Focus? Thats gotta be the most cramped C segment in the market. While the new Cerato I have problem entering it and steering still hitting my leg even with the seat push to back totally. BTW, I use Lancer/Inspira as benchmark. Unless I'm using Myvi as benchmark, yes, I do agree with you that current Cerato is a C-segment car. Even Myvi have way more legroom than Cerato. Btw, i dont know what problems you get entering the new Cerato unless ure very tall. Im 183cm and ive had no issues entering the Cerato. This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Feb 3 2014, 03:43 PM |
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Feb 3 2014, 03:42 PM
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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 3 2014, 03:34 PM) When I want to sit to the old Cerato on driver side This old cerato refer to Forte... when come to msia, naza chg it to forte...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kia_Cerato - 2nd generation |
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Feb 3 2014, 03:42 PM
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QUOTE(sitescope @ Feb 3 2014, 03:38 PM) I sat on cerato showroom before... Feel cabin quite smaller inside... like B segment size... At last I see someone don't fooled by what others said. The rear lamp is weird... due to the LED lamp quite big... Well, normally when i want to see a car, I don't ask my other half to go. Instead, I ask another 4 friends that having same size as me(80-90kg, 175-180cm). Then sit on it and see who will make noise first. So, old Cerato passed on this but new Cerato I not even invited my friends, just go alone only already I know it sure failed. |
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Feb 3 2014, 03:44 PM
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QUOTE(sitescope @ Feb 3 2014, 03:42 PM) This old cerato refer to Forte... when come to msia, naza chg it to forte... I do know that.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kia_Cerato - 2nd generation |
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Feb 3 2014, 03:45 PM
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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 3 2014, 03:42 PM) At last I see someone don't fooled by what others said. Nobody is getting fooled and nobody is blindly supporting anything. You are connecting the wrong dots here. For you segments are determined by legroom which is NOT the case. There are about 10-15 different dimensional criteria which determine segmentation. Legroom is just one of them.Well, normally when i want to see a car, I don't ask my other half to go. Instead, I ask another 4 friends that having same size as me(80-90kg, 175-180cm). Then sit on it and see who will make noise first. So, old Cerato passed on this but new Cerato I not even invited my friends, just go alone only already I know it sure failed. |
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Feb 3 2014, 03:46 PM
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Ok maybe C segment but with smaller cabin inside...
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Feb 3 2014, 03:49 PM
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QUOTE(sitescope @ Feb 3 2014, 03:46 PM) Ok maybe C segment but with smaller cabin inside... Not smaller but way smaller than Forte. |
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