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 Toyota Altis 1.8 versus Kia Cerato 1.6, Which should I buy?

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jayraptor
post Feb 25 2014, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(Vervain @ Feb 22 2014, 02:05 PM)
They won because of sonata offered diesel engine. i don't recall cefiro and sylphy offer diesel.
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Sonata NF blue taxi here is petrol 2.4L. In 2008, there was a competition held by local Blue Taxi fleet where chosen winner will be primary taxis. Few car companies provided their models and Sonata NF won despite costing more expensive than Cefiro & Sylphy.
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post Feb 25 2014, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Feb 25 2014, 03:13 PM)
That Rio 1.4 engine + 4AT are actually stronger than your weak sluggish Almera outdated tech engine + weak 4AT. Currently, NASA still thinking whether to bring in existing Rio 1.6 sedan now or wait for the next new Rio that is not yet built for the RM80k market.

You have been coming up with false claims & fake news many times. Like the boy who cried wolf or tiger, people already don't bother with whatever new cars that you claimed will bring in. People just listen right ear in, left ear out with your fake promise.

Toyota won't have to afraid at all. Only thing is they are waiting for new total redesign Camry as the current is a let down. The new Altis and Vios however would be strong like proper Toyota. That US Sentra look is outdated compared to Altis. Who would want to buy an uncle looking Sentra that copied older Korean design that is obsolete. Better buy Altis.

Since when did your 3rd nation N-brand beat Honda? Ugly Teana already joining Sylphy's fate on poor RV and demand. Almera can still sell because of selling at Preve's price. However, Preve's reputation is getting better than Almera on its proven safety by that Nurse who lost control in Terengganu highway.

People better buy Samsung Galaxy Note than buying that Note hatchback that you intend to bring in. Could be another failure as the hot hatch market has been dominated by Fiesta and VW Polo that have performance & handling.
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Err...since last year? Source

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How old are you again? I'm starting to think i shouldn't be spoon-feeding you anymore.
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post Feb 25 2014, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Feb 25 2014, 03:17 PM)
Sonata NF blue taxi here is petrol 2.4L. In 2008, there was a competition held by local Blue Taxi fleet where chosen winner will be primary taxis. Few car companies provided their models and Sonata NF won despite costing more expensive than Cefiro & Sylphy.
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I'm referring to singapore.
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post Feb 26 2014, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Feb 25 2014, 03:13 PM)
That Rio 1.4 engine + 4AT are actually stronger than your weak sluggish Almera outdated tech engine + weak 4AT. Currently, NASA still thinking whether to bring in existing Rio 1.6 sedan now or wait for the next new Rio that is not yet built for the RM80k market.

You have been coming up with false claims & fake news many times. Like the boy who cried wolf or tiger, people already don't bother with whatever new cars that you claimed will bring in. People just listen right ear in, left ear out with your fake promise.

Toyota won't have to afraid at all. Only thing is they are waiting for new total redesign Camry as the current is a let down. The new Altis and Vios however would be strong like proper Toyota. That US Sentra look is outdated compared to Altis. Who would want to buy an uncle looking Sentra that copied older Korean design that is obsolete. Better buy Altis.

Since when did your 3rd nation N-brand beat Honda? Ugly Teana already joining Sylphy's fate on poor RV and demand. Almera can still sell because of selling at Preve's price. However, Preve's reputation is getting better than Almera on its proven safety by that Nurse who lost control in Terengganu highway.

People better buy Samsung Galaxy Note than buying that Note hatchback that you intend to bring in. Could be another failure as the hot hatch market has been dominated by Fiesta and VW Polo that have performance & handling.
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U never check world market for Note which is quite good, anyway "our" note target is Jazz.

BTW where is your laoya Caren ? till date also no replacement for bad sales Rondo.

U don't even dare to bring in i20X, Accent, Rio Sedan, till date u also don't have any MPV.

We N brand r more daring bringing in new model compare to your laoya Brand,,, flex.gif

Our N brand sales already overtake Honta in 2013, this year with our New Sentra, Altima, Note, our sales expect even better. thumbup.gif
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post Feb 26 2014, 01:09 PM

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This thread needs to be closed. Its going nowhere and TS has already stopped looking at this.
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post Feb 26 2014, 01:29 PM

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New 2014 Altis is very nice look, sporty interior, the engine and super CVT-I gearbox is very smooth , very economy.

My opinion is Altis 1.8 which balance for city & highway driving.
The most important fuel economy is top in the class.
90km/hr highway = 18km/liter.
Thailand tested even higher = 20km/liter.

If want to buy Altis call me for best price. Thanks.
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post Feb 26 2014, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Feb 26 2014, 08:58 AM)
U never check world market for Note which is quite good, anyway "our" note target is Jazz.

BTW where is your laoya Caren ? till date also no replacement for bad sales Rondo.

U don't even dare to bring in i20X, Accent, Rio Sedan, till date u also don't have any MPV.

We N brand r more daring bringing in new model compare to your laoya Brand,,,  flex.gif

Our N brand sales already overtake Honta in 2013, this year with our New Sentra, Altima, Note, our sales expect even better.  thumbup.gif
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Lol, with your bunch managing the company, you sure you can sell Note better than lousy Jazz? What will you do this time? Throw CRA2Y discount again? FYI, if you bring in dual VVT engine, under revised P1 protection, you'll be forced to sell higher. Anyway, you have CRA2Y discount, if have to set selling price at rm100K also no problem. You can throw lots of discount until it is priced at RM70k to counter Jazz.

Under lousy people like you in NASA, they said MPV if priced over RM100k can't sell. What a stupid remark there. If that's how it's like, wonder why Hyundai selling Starex at RM150k can sell well. If brought in Caren price tag should be RM140k region. They probably assumed by using Orlando as example which is totally wrong.

Problem with i20X and Accent, if SD bring in, do you know they'll have to be priced not too much different from Inspira? i20X and Accent will be priced at >RM90k region which is so close to Elantra 1.6, do you think people will buy Elantra or would go for something lower at similar price range?

Rio might get new replacement anytime as it has been around since 2011, NASA doesn't want to risk plus they already brought in Cerato 1.6. If brought in, Rio 1.6 sedan priced at RM90k+, you think people will go for Rio or pay little more for Cerato 1.6? If you have forgotten that bank loan currently offer very low interest rate, you take higher loan, every month, you only pay RM10-30 more.
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oh gosh.....i really appreciate jayraptor and jolokia's expert comment. but PLEASE...post something relevant and show respect to TS's post. we appreciate and also love to see people share things which is really really related to what TS is trying to seek. It ended up both of you...fighting each other and really dragging the topics away..

Should we vote to open a thread " jayraptor vs jolokia" ? rclxms.gif ...therefore, u guys dont have to bash each other at other places..

This post has been edited by cavynz: Feb 26 2014, 10:45 PM
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post Mar 2 2014, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Feb 26 2014, 10:05 PM)
Lol, with your bunch managing the company, you sure you can sell Note better than lousy Jazz? What will you do this time? Throw CRA2Y discount again? FYI, if you bring in dual VVT engine, under revised P1 protection, you'll be forced to sell higher. Anyway, you have CRA2Y discount, if have to set selling price at rm100K also no problem. You can throw lots of discount until it is priced at RM70k to counter Jazz.

Under lousy people like you in NASA, they said MPV if priced over RM100k can't sell. What a stupid remark there. If that's how it's like, wonder why Hyundai selling Starex at RM150k can sell well. If brought in Caren price tag should be RM140k region. They probably assumed by using Orlando as example which is totally wrong. 

Problem with i20X and Accent, if SD bring in, do you know they'll have to be priced not too much different from Inspira? i20X and Accent will be priced at >RM90k region which is so close to Elantra 1.6, do you think people will buy Elantra or would go for something lower at similar price range?

Rio might get new replacement anytime as it has been around since 2011, NASA doesn't want to risk plus they already brought in Cerato 1.6. If brought in, Rio 1.6 sedan priced at RM90k+, you think people will go for Rio or pay little more for Cerato 1.6? If you have forgotten that bank loan currently offer very low interest rate, you take higher loan, every month, you only pay RM10-30 more.
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"Our" Note is much better looking than Jazz, since no more tax free for hybrid Jazz hybrid gone case, even u dare to bring in ix20 also no match to N brand note.

U give 101 excuses don't dare to bring in Accent, U bunch is greedy trying to max profit, Rio 1.6 can price like our Almera what, u greedy bunch wanna sell Cerato at 15K more than Forte, later bring underpowered 1.4 Rio still dare to priced at Forte EX price, now no turning back, that why lah cannot brings in Rio sedan 1.6.

140K for Caren u MMT keep it to collect dust lah ...lol



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QUOTE(cavynz @ Feb 26 2014, 10:42 PM)
oh gosh.....i really appreciate jayraptor and jolokia's expert comment. but PLEASE...post something relevant and show respect to TS's post. we appreciate and also love to see people share things which is really really related to what TS is trying to seek. It ended up both of you...fighting each other and really dragging the topics away..

Should we vote to open a thread " jayraptor vs jolokia" ? rclxms.gif ...therefore, u guys dont have to bash each other at other places..
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dont need, just throw them back "where" they were belong to before f&f..
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post Mar 2 2014, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(newmaster @ Mar 2 2014, 09:26 PM)
dont need, just throw them back "where" they were belong to before f&f..
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I smell Mdm A Yap @ Kaylcar somewhere ... sniff 2

The thread aleady wrong in the beginning by comparing a 1.8 Altis with 1.6 Cerato to begin with, different capacity different price tag, different origin.

Since it already "dead on arrival" might as well recycled it to N brand Vs NASA instead of starting another thread.
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QUOTE(Henry1977 @ Feb 26 2014, 01:29 PM)
New 2014 Altis is very nice look, sporty interior, the engine and super CVT-I gearbox is very smooth , very economy.

My opinion is Altis 1.8 which balance for city & highway driving.
The most important fuel economy is top in the class.
90km/hr highway = 18km/liter.
Thailand tested even higher = 20km/liter.

If want to buy Altis call me for best price. Thanks.
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Sporty interior, are you serious? shakehead.gif
Look at the digital clock. So cheap! doh.gif

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post Mar 3 2014, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Mar 2 2014, 09:09 PM)
"Our" Note is much better looking than Jazz, since no more tax free for hybrid Jazz hybrid gone case, even u dare to bring in ix20 also no match to N brand note.

U give 101 excuses don't dare to bring in Accent,  U bunch is greedy trying to max profit,  Rio 1.6 can price like our Almera what, u greedy bunch wanna sell Cerato at 15K more than Forte,  later bring underpowered 1.4 Rio still dare to priced at Forte EX price,  now no turning back,  that why lah cannot brings in Rio sedan 1.6.

140K for Caren u MMT keep it to collect dust lah ...lol
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Common sense, under new P1 protection, if a car has better tech than Inspira like having dual VVT, 6AT gearbox automatic have to priced higher. Heard they wanted to come up with CKD Jazz petrol which will enjoy cheap price at RM80k range. It's still using old tech therefore can be priced lower.

For Hyundai, there's already Elantra 1.6 at RM98k, if they brought in Accent 1.6, they have to price it at least RM90k bottomline.

For Kia, the Cerato is at RM102k, if they brought in Rio 1.6, it'll be priced at least RM90k bottomline.

Carens at RM140k can actually sell. It comes with new GDI engine in Australia. Since the i40 has downgraded injector to suit RON95, then expect newer Hyundai-Kia upcoming batches to have GDI engines like Mazda.

Carens specs:
Nu engine 1999cc (81 x 97)
output 163ps@6500rpm
torque 213Nm@4700rpm
Compression ratio 11.5 : 1

6AT gearbox (4.212, 2.637, 1.800, 1.386, 1.000, 0.772)
reverse 3.385, final 3.510

Length 4525
Width 1805
Height 1610
Wheelbase 2750

NASA might need to rethink and get this in. Those who have budget around RM150k, this would be ideal more car like 7-seater for them. It won't be competitor to Starex which is large MPV with boxy style which serves different purpose.
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Mar 3 2014, 09:28 PM)
Common sense, under new P1 protection, if a car has better tech than Inspira like having dual VVT, 6AT gearbox automatic have to priced higher. Heard they wanted to come up with CKD Jazz petrol which will enjoy cheap price at RM80k range. It's still using old tech therefore can be priced lower. 

For Hyundai, there's already Elantra 1.6 at RM98k, if they brought in Accent 1.6, they have to price it at least RM90k bottomline.

For Kia, the Cerato is at RM102k, if they brought in Rio 1.6, it'll be priced at least RM90k bottomline.

Carens at RM140k can actually sell. It comes with new GDI engine in Australia. Since the i40 has downgraded injector to suit RON95, then expect newer Hyundai-Kia upcoming batches to have GDI engines like Mazda.

Carens specs:
Nu engine 1999cc (81 x 97)
output 163ps@6500rpm
torque 213Nm@4700rpm
Compression ratio 11.5 : 1

6AT gearbox (4.212, 2.637, 1.800, 1.386, 1.000, 0.772)
reverse 3.385, final 3.510

Length 4525
Width 1805
Height 1610
Wheelbase 2750

NASA might need to rethink and get this in. Those who have budget around RM150k, this would be ideal more car like 7-seater for them. It won't be competitor to Starex which is large MPV with boxy style which serves different purpose.
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U don't talk rubbish, your Forte also consider same specs as Inspira what how come can priced at 80+K ?? Even your antique Citra also selling at Exora price range, what say U.

U live in Jungle ah ? CKD Jazz Petrol already available for a long time.

That why i say ur laoya NASA wrongly price their car, now cannot bring in Rio 1.6 as Rio 1.4 is price too close to Cerato 1.6, so Rio 1.6 Sedan can't fit in.

U talk talk talk till moon come out still no new Caren as U bunch intend to continue selling old Rondo & antique Citra here, unlike N brand which bring newer model like Serena Hybrid & Facelift Livina.

Post all the oversea 1st world specs Caren which U bunch never bring in is pointless, just make U bunch more malu.. whistling.gif

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