Anybody can say anything here. No proof gtfo

Yeap, altis refinement is amazing

Of course u have to leave ur car thr lah. Which sc provide taxi home unless maybe rolls royce! LOL

U try VW sc once n u will be dying to come bck to Toyota

my brother in law service in proton and they have shuttle service to drop the customers at shopping complexes.

that's from Proton eh... Toyota apa ade?

Asking a question like this here in LYN will not get you any closer to a decision. Both Toyota and Kia fanboys will come in here and slug it out claiming each is better. So im not gonna walk down that path. What i will give you is the 13 key criteria's in choosing a car and you can then decide from that which car to go for:

The key word with any car purchase should be VALUE FOR MONEY meaning what ure getting for what ure paying for. Generally there are 13 criteria which are important when choosing a car:

1) Price
2) Safety
3) Specifications
4) Design
5) Interior space
6) Build quality / durability
7) Ride, handling, power
8) After sales service
9) Overall maintenance cost (not just periodic maintenance)
10) Warranty terms
11) Comfort
12) Resale value
13) Future models / facelifts

There is no car in the market which has all 13 criteria’s. So the idea is always to list your choices against these criteria and then compare against how much ure paying for it.

You also need to take into account your specific needs. For instance, if ure not a driver who drives fast, long distance or spends a lot of time in the car then don’t bother getting a car which is powerful and excels in ride & handling. It will be a waste.

Also give importance to long term needs not just the present. Look at least 5 years ahead and see where ull be. Cars are a 100% loss from Day 1 so the idea is always to minimize losses by choosing the car which satisfies most of the criteria above and yet keeps the price affordable. In saying this, I don't mean that resale value should become the primary criteria hence why its No 12 on that list.

Use these 13 criteria’s when listing down your choices. Never ever choose a car based on 3 or 4 criteria’s. U'll just increase the risks of making the wrong choice. Test drives actually don’t help much because most of the time ppl don’t know how to test drive or what to look for in a test drive. But do your homework and then test. Ull get a better idea then.

Hope this helps you in your decision.

And btw, ive been a Optima K5 owner for the past 21 months after being a loyal Toyota customer for 9.5 years. Do i regret my decision to switch? Except for after sales service which Toyota excels in, i dont. And please give alot of importance to safety and especially the Stability Control function. It saved my life last year.

From ur checklist look like u're definitely not willing to pay for an expensive cars...
U use 4 times "cheaper" word, 1 x discount, 1 x free...
From there, u should know aldy that u should go for cerato...
Trust me, u'll nvr get ur answer in this thread...

Based on your budget, the Altis 1.8 at RM116k. Is this the right comparison with Cerato 1.6L? Not Cerato 2.0L?

Please note, C-segment 1.6L is not that much difference from C-segment 1.8L as the 1.6L engine will need to rev more to move from idle. Both returns around 9.2km/L to 10km/L in 100% city jam traffic depends on how jam. 1.6L engine only wins in idle only FC. Cerato wins on gearbox maintenance as Altis is CVT.

If you go for Cerato, NASA after sales, only few good sub-franchised SC that do things fast. Others, you'll might take longer wait. Spare part wise, plenty as spare part suppliers outside already bring in bulk cheap parts. After warranty or confirmed the car is not defective, you can send to Korean car mates or trusted workshops with qualified engineers for service. Hyundai-Kia reliability & durability is good, better than other Japanese brands but behind Toyota.

If you go for the new Altis, after sales and spare parts are fine but if there's any unexpected dispute like unusual defective wear & tear while under warranty, less likely you'll win against them should they want you to pay. Altis FC is good.

It's up to you which to choose. Go for Altis, it's newly launch, you'll get more attention. Go for Cerato, you'll get more package. If you're ok with Elantra 1.8, you should check that one too.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jan 30 2014, 03:55 PM

Mind sharing which sc provide that? Tq

Don't thrust this fellow who had only driven 1 low specs obsolete car @ NASA Forte EX 1.6 4AT come with black steel rim..lol

1.8 vs 1.6 in fact quite different, 1.6 usually quite struggle on highway, a decent C segment should be at lease 1.8 ltr capacity.

KIA engine r by far behind compare with the japs T,H,N,M.

To ensure your right choice you should conduct a range of test initial by Dr. Jayraptor De Mad Scientists, 2 ltr run till engine stalled FC test, Reserve gear uphill GB test, 100kgs sand bag drag race test, Zigzag handling test with 5 full size adult..before deciding ..lol

Hi, may I know why you refer NAZA as NASA? Thanks

It's Dr. Jayraptor secret code. .lol

Let me give u short lesson while waiting for Choy San.

NASA = NAZA
Honta = Honda
N Brand = Nissan

Our Jayraptor afraid those companies will sue his pants off if he use the correct spelling, while criticising their products, I wonder what had he possess apart from a 5 years old Forte EX 1.6 4AT which still have 4 years loan (he took max 9 years loan to buy that car in 2009)..lol

COSE.... Proton HQ off Kesas highway.

Thanks jolokia for sharing all the origin of the brand names

If u insist on Altis, get the 2.0V. The 1.8 no VSC, and little airbags. However, I would personally go for cerato 2.0, cuz it's packed with gadgets and safety features. Design wise, it's subjective though

this, quote for truth

but too bad in bolehland i dont think many people care

This post has been edited by pds_disi: Jan 31 2014, 01:36 AM

Toyota sc in pj got this service too, they can send you anywhere within 5km.

Plus, many toyota sc got kuih mihun n nasi lemak, u can tambah if u wan. Proton got?

Kia Cerato if u dun give a damn abt resale value

got.

It's the SC in Shah Alam, near the Kesas highway Proton Excellence centre.

In Proton Manjalara got - there Astro also got.

C-segment 1.6 is for those who can't afford 1.8L or 2.0L but wanted a C-segment anyway. So you're saying your crap 3rd nation Lavina 1.6L with poor aerodynamic and kerb weight as heavy as C-segment struggle on highway? Not just the 1.6L, even your 1.8L struggle on highway due to 4AT where FC won't go pass 14km/L unless you use cheat the fuel pump nozzle method in lightfoot contest.

I went for Forte 1.6EX because of less gadget and smaller tyres aka cheaper maintenance. Also, already predicted that NASA lousy marketing causing the 2.0L RV drop to just slightly higher than 1.6SX on first year.

Local Kia engine is in fact more advanced than Honta and N-brand but beaten by Mazda/Ford GDI engines. However, they already have downgraded injectors for their GDI engines and the Hyundai i40 has been altered to suit our local fuel grade. Toyota already has the tech available in Lexus, but not willing to use on Toyota in mass yet.

The name NAZAK and later NASA was given by you. Honta means Ultar while N-brand refers to 3rd nation junks. Nissan refers to Altima, Sentra US.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Feb 2 2014, 12:05 PM