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post Jan 16 2014, 11:23 AM, updated 12y ago

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I heard rumors of BLR is going to increase. Currently the amount is 6.6%. I do rough estimation if there are 1.0% increase. you keep on paying the current rate. your loan tenure will extend to another 2 years.

for example there are a time year back BLR 5.5%. now is 6.6%. what will happen if this keep on increasing. now with rumors of GST going wild. the rapid hike in cost of living. think of it if BLR increase further. what is the implication.

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post Jan 16 2014, 01:37 PM

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it has been discussed in many other threads.
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where did u hear this news from? BLR is bound to increase sooner or later
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post Jan 16 2014, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(RedDevils88 @ Jan 16 2014, 02:32 PM)
where did u hear this news from? BLR is bound to increase sooner or later
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i heard it from many ppl discussing at kopitiam. even also market places too. not forgetting housing developers sales at supermarkets.

well i searched through discussions. the happening does not corelate to current action by our beloved ruling govt. that is with implementation of GST. not forgetting rapid cost of living we are experiences now. this taken into account recent fuel hike.
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post Jan 16 2014, 05:50 PM

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BLR will definitely go up.
In fact if you check BLR history for the past 10-20 years, it has been going up and down according to the economy, it was never static.
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post Jan 16 2014, 05:50 PM

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I heard BLR will reduce to coincide with recent reduction in kangkung prices
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post Jan 16 2014, 05:52 PM

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See Attached.
During the 1997,1998, 1999 when the economy is real bad, BLR was sky high.

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 16 2014, 05:28 PM)
you are right on track man. ballooning household debts could lead BNM raising benchmark interest rates.

we know well our govt always ask supplementary budget above allocation. which a bad sign for our economics.

to my experience when BLR goes up. it hardly goes down.



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QUOTE(robert82 @ Jan 16 2014, 05:52 PM)
See Attached.
During the 1997,1998, 1999 when the economy is real bad, BLR was sky high.

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do you have data from 1980 - 1988. i heard also many said there are mid year crisis in the 80's decade. many ppl are out of job and recession follows... thanks.

the only worry everyone discussing is 2014 - 2015. there will be a revision by BNM on current BLR of 6.6%. the OPR also be revised.
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post Jan 16 2014, 06:13 PM

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http://www.blr.my/Historical%20BLR%20Graph.htm
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post Jan 16 2014, 06:18 PM

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thanks man, the figure says it all mid 80's decade crisis to be exact.
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The recent devaluation of ringgit & sky rocket good price, don't think BNM can further delayed rising BLR unless they wanna another crisis.
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QUOTE(robert82 @ Jan 16 2014, 02:37 PM)
it has been discussed in many other threads.
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we wishes BNM not to raise the BLR nor delaying it.

when times are desperate and there are shortage in cashflow. BLR increase is beneficial. in a way they banks increase their cash reserve for loans. it encourages saving when ppl knows bank are offering good FD at 7% - 10% per annum. in order for banks to repay their depositors with sustainable profits. they needed to charge higher lending rate on loans more than FD rates.

2014 is bad year most ppl will be tightening their belts due to many uncertainties. well drastic measures comes to drastic action. eventually BNM will increase the BLR due to preassure from many quarters.

so it boils down to how the ruling govt manage the nation financial affairs. with the ever increase in cost and the drastic need to supplement budget. this is danger for house owner, businesses and investors.

the thing is when the owner cannot paid up. they financial sectors involved have rights to forclose their properties/commercial premises and sub-sale with auction. ppl will get laid off from thier jobs. multinational companies will move away from our beloved malaysia. more bankcruptcy that comes along with NPL that inturn affect the banking sectors ans socio economics of the nation.

it is also an acid test for najib's administration. hence we should look forward what's next in 2014. the discussion should be base on current real time issue how it will eventually affect us all.
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QUOTE(aquest @ Jan 16 2014, 07:08 PM)
blr was highest when dsai was in the cabinet. coincidence?
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You people probably too young to remember

That was the time when ASEAN currencies were under attack. Value of RM drop like mouldy peanuts.

One of the defense method is to increase the interest rate high-high to make the RM attractive.

The finance minister used this method. That why got spike in rate. At the peak it was almost 12%, if I remeber correct.
The rest is interesting history.

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QUOTE(Fazab @ Jan 16 2014, 09:07 PM)
You people probably too young to remember

That was the time when ASEAN currencies were under attack. Value of RM drop like mouldy peanuts.

One of the defense method is to increase the interest rate high-high to make the RM attractive.

The finance minister used this method. That why got spike in rate. At the peak it was almost 12%, if I remeber correct.
The rest is interesting history.
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Our ringgit is badly devalued now, Singadollar already at 2.6 if nothing been done late 90's will revisit, if currency keep only falling many investors will cabut.

BLR is definitely expect to increase, just matter of time.

BTW no need yi lou mai lou, jual minyak, we wasn't born yesterday, we know what happened in late 90's.
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 16 2014, 10:10 PM)
Our ringgit is badly devalued now, Singadollar already at 2.6 if nothing been done late 90's will revisit,  if currency keep only falling many investors will cabut.

BLR is definitely expect to increase,  just matter of time.

BTW no need yi lou mai lou, jual minyak, we wasn't born yesterday, we know what happened in late 90's.
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What happening now is our own doing, so to a certain extent can control, up the BLR a bit a bit.

What happen in 90's was an concerted attack. No chance to do anything. Just open eye watch people die.

The after effects will be same, BLR goes up, bubble burst, but will be less drastic, less painful.
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of course lar we got so many foreigner working take our monies back home. sure devaluate one. to them they just go back homeland enjoy.

for the locals will have to bear the impact.
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post Jan 18 2014, 06:09 AM

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what will happen if BLR increase? bank will change the monthly payment amount? or extend the loan tenure?
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 16 2014, 10:10 PM)
Our ringgit is badly devalued now, Singadollar already at 2.6 if nothing been done late 90's will revisit,  if currency keep only falling many investors will cabut.

BLR is definitely expect to increase,  just matter of time.

BTW no need yi lou mai lou, jual minyak, we wasn't born yesterday, we know what happened in late 90's.
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Sgd 2.6. Hav u make a move??? In fact I did. Anytime is a gd time to buy currency. I started bout 10 yrs ago. So I'm pretty happy to hav sgd even at 3.5. Huat ar. icon_rolleyes.gif

Btw, anytime is a gd time to buy prop too. I started 20yrs ago. Tats y I ll b happy if prop hav another round of boom. BLR increase??? Np la. More than half of the props r settled with rental >10% on cost price. Best 1 slightly >20%. New 1 of cos not so high but it's taken care of by rental in the whole portfolio. brows.gif

Bro, no need to b afraid of Econ up or down. Trust urself, do it ur way. U ll feel beta if u dun think too much. nod.gif

And tat doesn't mean u can do silly thingy la. laugh.gif


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QUOTE(mytaffeta @ Jan 18 2014, 06:09 AM)
what will happen if BLR increase? bank will change the monthly payment amount? or extend the loan tenure?
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your mthly payment will never change. this is new rule from BNM. but with higher OPR or daily interest. your principle reduction will be much lesser. hence your loan tenure will be extended to so many years to come... shocking.gif

for home loan, every ringgit outstanding is calculated in daily interest.

if u want to pay higher mthly installment. you need to go to your bank headoffice and apply.

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QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 18 2014, 10:38 AM)
your mthly payment will never change. this is new rule from BNM. but with higher OPR or daily interest. your principle reduction will be much lesser. hence your loan tenure will be extended to so many years to come... shocking.gif

for home loan, every ringgit outstanding is calculated in daily interest.

if u want to pay higher mthly installment. you need to go to your bank headoffice and apply.
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Are this going for apply for the term max loan of 35 years? let's said what happen if some just get a loan approved at 35 years max and the next month BLR increased?


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QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 18 2014, 10:38 AM)
your mthly payment will never change. this is new rule from BNM. but with higher OPR or daily interest. your principle reduction will be much lesser. hence your loan tenure will be extended to so many years to come... shocking.gif

for home loan, every ringgit outstanding is calculated in daily interest.

if u want to pay higher mthly installment. you need to go to your bank headoffice and apply.
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but this will make our loan neverending rite? If payment amt < interest charged so loan balance keep increasing.
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QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 18 2014, 10:38 AM)
your mthly payment will never change. this is new rule from BNM. but with higher OPR or daily interest. your principle reduction will be much lesser. hence your loan tenure will be extended to so many years to come... shocking.gif


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Oh no......Are you sure even with interest rate increase by >3% ?

If like that, flippers will not be affected. So no more dead chicken even if interest rate increase cry.gif
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QUOTE(SonicKimi88 @ Jan 18 2014, 11:37 AM)
Are this going for apply for the term max loan of 35 years? let's said what happen if some just get a loan approved at 35 years max and the next month BLR increased?
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the 35 max is safeguarding for banks vs borrower age/health factor where they can work and earn.. they banks are well aware tenure will be prolonged. taken account BLR increase and BLR decrease will be reflected in your yearly statement. so if BLR keeps going high. the sad reality we have to pay longer before reaching financial freedom.

i did talk to elderly ppl on this. many who opt 30 year loan ended up to nearly 40 year payment. the advice if u got some money like bonuses. might as well do principle reduction payment if u are under flexi-loan.

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QUOTE(ableze_joepardy @ Jan 18 2014, 11:42 AM)
but this will make our loan neverending rite? If payment amt < interest charged so loan balance keep increasing.
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it will be accumulated and charged on daily OPR interest. henceby how your tenure increases.
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 18 2014, 11:46 AM)
Oh no......Are you sure even with interest rate increase by >3% ?

If like that, flippers will not be affected. So no more dead chicken even if interest rate increase  cry.gif
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we can only keep our finger crossed. this year consider an acid test for najibs administration. there are many news going on our nation overspend and bla bla bla. but in reality things are going up and cost of living goes sky rocket high. the past will revisits again sooner.

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QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 18 2014, 10:38 AM)
your mthly payment will never change. this is new rule from BNM. but with higher OPR or daily interest. your principle reduction will be much lesser. hence your loan tenure will be extended to so many years to come... shocking.gif

for home loan, every ringgit outstanding is calculated in daily interest.

if u want to pay higher mthly installment. you need to go to your bank headoffice and apply.
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Sure got this new rule? When I took a loan last year with 18 years tenure (max because of my age), the bank manager warned me repeatedly that if interest rate goes up, my instalment will go up also. They will not extend my tenure because oledi max out.

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QUOTE(Fazab @ Jan 18 2014, 12:20 PM)
Sure got this new rule?  When I took a loan last year with 18 years tenure (max because of my age), the bank manager warned me repeatedly that if interest rate goes up, my instalment will go up also. They will not extend my tenure because oledi max out.
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for my case my mthly installment had not changed. there is this minor word clause by BNM. cause my tenure is 15 years. i do rough estimation if 1% BLR increase it will add 2 year to my tenure. if it stays the same till end of tenure.

just watch out for yearly accessment charged to your loan acc. it will also increase your overall interest.

so when i got my yearly bonus. i just dump rm2k yearly as principle reduction.

forgot to add when i secure my loan BLR that time was 5.55%

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jan 18 2014, 08:25 AM)
Sgd 2.6. Hav u make a move??? In fact I did. Anytime is a gd time to buy currency. I started bout 10 yrs ago. So I'm pretty happy to hav sgd even at 3.5. Huat ar. icon_rolleyes.gif

Btw, anytime is a gd time to buy prop too. I started 20yrs ago. Tats y I ll b happy if prop hav another round of boom. BLR increase??? Np la. More than half of the props r settled with rental >10% on cost price.  Best 1 slightly >20%. New 1 of cos not so high but it's taken care of by rental in the whole portfolio. brows.gif

Bro, no need to b afraid of Econ up or down. Trust urself, do it ur way. U ll feel beta if u dun think too much.  nod.gif

And tat doesn't mean u can do silly thingy la.  laugh.gif
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It depends on person bro...u doing well cos of careful, prudent planning n prolly buy props with higher % of down payment...others that follow with 0-5-10% downpymt with little backup cash n buying expensive house with low rental r gonna suffer....

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civil unrest can cause interest rates to lower har.. no wonder the trend these days. people are keen to do mass gathering "turn padang"... thumbup.gif

read for yourself...

http://loanstreet.com.my/learning-centre/b...crease-decrease
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QUOTE(Fazab @ Jan 18 2014, 12:20 PM)
Sure got this new rule?  When I took a loan last year with 18 years tenure (max because of my age), the bank manager warned me repeatedly that if interest rate goes up, my instalment will go up also. They will not extend my tenure because oledi max out.
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what toh2020 said is true, case by case basis..

some bank will notify borrowers, while mostly dont..

i obtained 2 loans during 2009 when BLR was all time low.. since BLR has increased last few years, my repayment has not been revised, meaning more towards interets and less paying down the loan.. its not entirely bad news if you buy for rental income as cashflow and COCR remain positive and good..

but not good for those ownstay, meaning your repayment might be never ending.. borrowers have to keep track with BLR themselves and notify bank to revise the repayment..

For flippers, good news and not too good as well.. good news is that it will not affect your holding power if bank didnt revise your repayament, you still pay same amount everymonth... but your prospect buyer might have difficulty in getting loan due to higher BLR rate.. end up you might need to hold longer, and service more interest..

cheers..
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QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 16 2014, 08:59 PM)
we wishes BNM not to raise the BLR nor delaying it.

when times are desperate and there are shortage in cashflow. BLR increase is beneficial. in a way they banks increase their cash reserve for loans. it encourages saving when ppl knows bank are offering good FD at 7% - 10% per annum. in order for banks to repay their depositors with sustainable profits. they needed to charge higher lending rate on loans more than FD rates.

2014 is bad year most ppl will be tightening their belts due to many uncertainties. well drastic measures comes to drastic action. eventually BNM will increase the BLR due to preassure from many quarters.

so it boils down to how the ruling govt manage the nation financial affairs. with the ever increase in cost and the drastic need to supplement budget. this is danger for house owner, businesses and investors.

the thing is when the owner cannot paid up. they financial sectors involved have rights to forclose their properties/commercial premises and sub-sale with auction. ppl will get laid off from thier jobs. multinational companies will move away from our beloved malaysia. more bankcruptcy that comes along with NPL that inturn affect the banking sectors ans socio economics of the nation.

it is also an acid test for najib's administration. hence we should look forward what's next in 2014. the discussion should be base on current real time issue how it will eventually affect us all.
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This is also referred to as the "Deflationary Monetary Policy" in economics. nod.gif
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jan 18 2014, 07:25 AM)
Sgd 2.6. Hav u make a move??? In fact I did. Anytime is a gd time to buy currency. I started bout 10 yrs ago. So I'm pretty happy to hav sgd even at 3.5. Huat ar. icon_rolleyes.gif

Btw, anytime is a gd time to buy prop too. I started 20yrs ago. Tats y I ll b happy if prop hav another round of boom. BLR increase??? Np la. More than half of the props r settled with rental >10% on cost price.  Best 1 slightly >20%. New 1 of cos not so high but it's taken care of by rental in the whole portfolio. brows.gif

Bro, no need to b afraid of Econ up or down. Trust urself, do it ur way. U ll feel beta if u dun think too much.  nod.gif

And tat doesn't mean u can do silly thingy la.  laugh.gif
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20 years ago is a good time to buy property. U made the right move and you are earning the rewards from it. But the issue here now is, is it the right time to buy now when it is in skyrocket high prices. Would you buy the same property that you own now at the price you planned to sell now (in a situation when you don't own the property and is just earming just enough to feed your family).

Are you sure we need not be afraid whether the economy goes up or down? Are you in business? If economy suffers, so will your business. If economy is bad, who would be able to afford to buy or even rent from you? Would you be rather keeping your unit empty while generating no income?

There a a lot if implications from the economy . A lot of people would suffer when it goes down. Think again.
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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Jan 18 2014, 07:13 PM)
20 years ago is a good time to buy property. U made the right move and you are earning the rewards from it. But the issue here now is, is it the right time to buy now when it is in skyrocket high prices. Would you buy the same property that you own now at the price you planned to sell now (in a situation when you don't own the property and is just earming just enough to feed your family).

Are you sure we need not be afraid whether the economy goes up or down? Are you in business? If economy suffers, so will your business. If economy is bad, who would be able to afford to buy or even rent from you? Would you be rather keeping your unit empty while generating no income?

There a a lot if implications from the economy . A lot of people would suffer when it goes down. Think again.
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Boss to answer some of ur Q, yes I ll stil buy props similar to my previous purchase 20 yrs ago. In fact I did for the factory next to my biz add and tat answered ur next Q. Econ down not necessarily put u on grd if u r well prepared. Biz slowdown is a norm as I have been thru 97, 02, 07. Biz itself went thru even 84. So gd or bad u need to overcome. And actually u learn to defend it after every crisis. If one is not ready for it, the onli word to tell is sorry.

I'm practising buying props every now n then. It might not b accurate to follow my pov of buying even during bad time but it does proved a bargain buy for 3 of my 97 purchase n 2 of my 07 purchase. Hard to get loan but higher down payment does help. In fact with lower down payment now u ll find it scary to service the installments cos the figures r much higher and if u look carefully the interest part is not encouraging. So advance payment is a must with discipline to make sure the tenure is shorten. Tats my 2 cents.

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rumours or ouch ouch is reality to come by this year.... it's best to share so everyone will be on guard n make neccessary plannings or preparations.
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...lr-by-end-2014/

Zeti: New framework for BLR by end 2014
The cost of funds for banks is based on the overnight policy rates (OPR) that BNM monitors. The OPR, however is likely to rise next year from the current 3% to 3.5% in a bid to contain inflationary pressure on Malaysian economy.... brows.gif thumbup.gif

if opr 3% ~ 6.6% blr. then opr 3.5% =???% blr hmm.gif

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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Jan 18 2014, 06:52 PM)
what toh2020 said is true, case by case basis..

some bank will notify borrowers, while mostly dont..

i obtained 2 loans during 2009 when BLR was all time low.. since BLR has increased last few years, my repayment has not been revised, meaning more towards interets and less paying down the loan.. its not entirely bad news if you buy for rental income as cashflow and COCR remain positive and good..

but not good for those ownstay, meaning your repayment might be never ending.. borrowers have to keep track with BLR themselves and notify bank to revise the repayment..

For flippers, good news and not too good as well.. good news is that it will not affect your holding power if bank didnt revise your repayament, you still pay same amount everymonth... but your prospect buyer might have difficulty in getting loan due to higher BLR rate.. end up you might need to hold longer, and service more interest..

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candidate age factor and health records does play a part. in decision making for approval. these are risk factor. the banks are very careful in case to case basis. in all cases conditions set are tailored to best interest of the banks.

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jan 18 2014, 11:00 PM)
Boss to answer some of ur Q, yes I ll stil buy props similar to my previous purchase 20 yrs ago. In fact I did for the factory next to my biz add and tat answered ur next Q. Econ down not necessarily put u on grd if u r well prepared. Biz slowdown is a norm as I have been thru 97, 02, 07. Biz itself went thru even 84. So gd or bad u need to overcome. And actually u learn to defend it after every crisis. If one is not ready for it, the onli word to tell is sorry.

I'm practising buying props every now n then. It might not b accurate to follow my pov of buying even during bad time but it does proved a bargain buy for 3 of my 97 purchase n 2 of my 07 purchase. Hard to get loan but higher down payment does help. In fact with lower down payment now u ll find it scary to service the installments cos the figures r much higher and if u look carefully the interest part is not encouraging. So advance payment is a must with discipline to make sure the tenure is shorten. Tats my 2 cents.
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You have the experience and you have a point there. No matter what, we have to be prepared for the worst. But right now we are talking about prices which is way beyong affordability. It is different as maybe when you bough properties, prices we were talking would be around Rm100k to 300k. Now we are looking at around Rm600 to >RM1 Mill in prices. Could you imagine if one were to be so highly in debt for example, servicing a Rm1Mil Loan and that someone were to loose his source of income? Its not that the Rm1 Mil loan would be so easily servicable. Nowadays, our salaries are of the same amount 10 years back. But properties prices has increased ten folds. So would it be advisable to just buy what you need and definately buy within your means so that even if the economy goes down, you could still afford to service your loan and not become a bankrupt.

The main question again is, is it the right time or not to buy now. Times now are properties prices at at the peak (at the moment), Economy hsas slowed down tremendously, Government and leaders has no apparent idea what they could be doing to improve our countries' economy and the worse part is banks are getting very stringent on their loans with the high NPLs.
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make it simple..

the rich gets richer (anticipating property bubble to burst. the faster the better. buy forclosed properties at undervalue prices. sell them of good reasonable prices for handsome profit when market regains momentum)

the poor gets poorer (when will we ever get a home sweet home. price hike is inversely proportional to income. so the goals are beyond reach)

the mid incomer caught in dillemma between 2.
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You have the experience and you have a point there. No matter what, we have to be prepared for the worst. But right now we are talking about prices which is way beyong affordability. It is different as maybe when you bough properties, prices we were talking would be around Rm100k to 300k. Now we are looking at around Rm600 to >RM1 Mill in prices. Could you imagine if one were to be so highly in debt for example, servicing a Rm1Mil Loan and that someone were to loose his source of income? Its not that the Rm1 Mil loan would be so easily servicable. Nowadays, our salaries are of the same amount 10 years back. But properties prices has increased ten folds. So would it be advisable to just buy what you need and definately buy within your means so that even if the economy goes down, you could still afford to service your loan and not become a bankrupt.

The main question again is, is it the right time or not to buy now. Times now are properties prices at at the peak (at the moment), Economy hsas slowed down tremendously, Government and leaders has no apparent idea what they could be doing to improve our countries' economy and the worse part is banks are getting very stringent on their loans with the high NPLs.
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For own stay go ahead Buy,
For investment long term Buy,
For flipping you can forget about it.

U need to accept the fact you have been downgraded so don't expect you can afford what your bros/sis or Senior can 3-4 years ago.
Imagine this if u earn 10K per month now equal to 5K 3-4 years ago, 7-8K equal to .3-4K, below 5K then better don't dream buying house or you going be in high risk.
U have the choice to choose a reasonable size house but expect far far away paying lot's of toll & petrol plus spending hours to & from work place, or U can accept pigeon hole size house closer to city.
Sorry to says our economy r managed by businessman now particularly developer, they can decide country policy. (just look at min wages & Iskandar foreigners cap on properties).
Just pay the price & hopefully u can complete the mortgage without the need to go AKPK...lol
Don't eat Kai Lan or Sawi switch to Kangkung maybe can save some extra for house fund. ..wakakaka
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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Jan 19 2014, 06:04 PM)
You have the experience and you have a point there. No matter what, we have to be prepared for the worst. But right now we are talking about prices which is way beyong affordability. It is different as maybe when you bough properties, prices we were talking would be around Rm100k to 300k. Now we are looking at around Rm600 to >RM1 Mill in prices. Could you imagine if one were to be so highly in debt for example, servicing a Rm1Mil Loan and that someone were to loose his source of income? Its not that the Rm1 Mil loan would be so easily servicable. Nowadays, our salaries are of the same amount 10 years back. But properties prices has increased ten folds. So would it be advisable to just buy what you need and definately buy within your means so that even if the economy goes down, you could still afford to service your loan and not become a bankrupt.

The main question again is, is it the right time or not to buy now. Times now are properties prices at at the peak (at the moment), Economy hsas slowed down tremendously, Government and leaders has no apparent idea what they could be doing to improve our countries' economy and the worse part is banks are getting very stringent on their loans with the high NPLs.
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Your salary is the same now as 10years ago? Really? Even Indon maid earned more in Malaysia compared to 10 years ago.
Also I wonder what residential property increased 10x over 10years in Malaysia

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Your salary is the same now as 10years ago? Really? Even Indon maid earned more in Malaysia compared to 10 years ago.
Also I wonder what residential property increased 10x over 10years in Malaysia
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Actually the difference in salary 10 years ago is really marginal, graduate salary is like 10-15%, U r right foreign labour actually enjoy more increment than local, that why I agreed with Tun Mahathir that FDI from property development actually bring more benefits to foreigner than Malaysians ib general.
As for properties price I think 10X is a bit over exaggerated, 3-6X more likely.

But if u talk about money value base on inflation figure, he is not totally wrong by saying 10% salary adjustment & 10X house price, 5K salary 10 years ago allowed u to live a decent living but 5K today mean living in real budgeted life & anything below that meaning u live as poor fellow in the city.

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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Jan 19 2014, 06:04 PM)
Economy hsas slowed down tremendously, Government and leaders has no apparent idea what they could be doing to improve our countries' economy and the worse part is banks are getting very stringent on their loans with the high NPLs.
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given them credit - top skills with spending, wasting and taxing, consultant fees, task forces and more taxes. it sucks to be a tax payer these days...

oh... usd today 3.32, if 3.4, 3.5, will they raise rates?

some people say we have usd100 billion reserves, no scared. but when will they use all that to keep rm less weak? do they actually have that reserve or just smoke n mirrors like usually? tongue.gif
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tot our current beloved ruling govt already had Government Transformation Programme (GTP), which includes monitoring the performance of ministries and six national key result areas (NKRAs) through Key Performance Indicators (KPIs).

by then things should be better or otherwise?

we know those under GTP oversee the overall govt KPI are highly overpaid compared to ministers.

p/s: the banking sector predicted 2014 OPR will go up from current 3% to 3.5%. i presume BLR to raise above 7.7%.
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QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 20 2014, 09:06 PM)

p/s: the banking sector predicted 2014 OPR will go up from current 3% to 3.5%. i presume BLR to raise above 7.7%.
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that would be a killing... no meh?

even from current BLR 6.6% to 7% already a massive raise!
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seriously to be honest if you are to do the same job for rest of your life. u be paid the same amount or lesser even for years to come. basically it comes down to demand and supply. if the company willing to keep u. that's fine, consider yourself lucky. when they opt for automation u are consider redundant and out of the job. basically it comes down to one's own mindset.

when you see yourself doing above more than you are paid, keep learning and improving. the company management does not give a damn about been appreciative to your efford. instead of finding justification to brainwash you into thinking this is what u deserved. henceby taking all your credits to promote themselves. to keep their jobs safe. dumping their workload on you taking things easy themselves. it's your own wisdom and decision either to move out for better prospect. or perhaps stay down being obedient under suppression.

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QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 21 2014, 01:11 AM)
seriously to be honest if you are to do the same job for rest of your life. u be paid the same amount or lesser even for years to come. basically it comes down to demand and supply. if the company willing to keep u. that's fine, consider yourself lucky. when they opt for automation u are consider redundant and out of the job. basically it comes down to one's own mindset.

when you see yourself doing above more than you are paid, keep learning and improving. the company management does not give a damn about been appreciative to your efford. instead of finding justification to brainwash you into thinking this is what u deserved. henceby taking all your credits to promote themselves. to keep their jobs safe. dumping their workload on you taking things easy themselves. it's your own wisdom and decision either to move out for better prospect. or perhaps stay down being obedient under suppression.
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QUOTE(lamode @ Jan 20 2014, 11:49 PM)
that would be a killing... no meh?

even from current BLR 6.6% to 7% already a massive raise!
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this is anticipated by major banker. eitherway it's BNM decision give way to them or the rakyat.

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QUOTE(lamode @ Jan 20 2014, 11:49 PM)
that would be a killing... no meh?

even from current BLR 6.6% to 7% already a massive raise!
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QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 21 2014, 12:19 AM)
this is anticipated by major banker. eitherway it's BNM decision give way to them or the rakyat.
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As I mentioned before, the government is adopting deflationary monetary policy now. Being so, measures by increasing BLR and so on and so forth would discourage spending and in the long term curb overspending beyond means and debt ratio as well as npl and in the long term help curb inflation as well.
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I always like Crystal ball expectation and I do believed the blr will raise till 7.7% before 2015 .

For those taking Dibs and fixed BLR with 3-5years lock in package ppls , definitely hope that the market slow down and BLR raise sky high in this period . Don't you ? Flippers?

No offence in all time , I'm personally thinking of the top5 property talk ddd campers in this forum , actually is the 1 who going to flip the most -.-a


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No offence in all time , I'm personally thinking of the top5 property talk ddd campers in this forum , actually is the 1 who going to flip the most -.-a
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It's so true and the fact is some nicks r fr the same person. U can c lotsa old timers with new nicks here arguing the same old topics. brows.gif
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My friend's comment :

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Money market is flushed with excess funds. Bank Negara has to intervene to stabilise the OPR. If there is no artificial intervention, interest rates should come down instead of the expected increase in 2014. The policy curbing property market is affecting the loan market. Inflation has also affected people from spending unnecessarily hence causing less loan and credit being extended. Banks now have too much money. But the banks still maintain the BLR which should have come down if everything works in accordance to free market.

Banks are short-changing us. They go out of the way to give new loans at -2.xx% instead of adjusting the BLR, so that their margins are not affected on the old loans. And business loans are still at BLR + x.xx%. If the banks adjust BLR based on the market rate, then the banks will earn less than otherwise would be in an non-manipulated market

Malaysian banking system is still lacking compare to the advanced country banking system. While FD rate has come down from 4.xx% to 3.x in the past 1 year, BLR should have come down correspondingly by at least 50 basis point.
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i don't think it come down. if you average up the figures. the BLR stand at 2.995% which still the same 3.0% currently. this why BLR still stood at 6.6%.

any increase of decrease of BLR are dictated by overall OPR movement. the profit and lost are also taken to consideration. so the financial institution can keep afloat.
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QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 25 2014, 02:32 PM)
i don't think it come down. if you average up the figures. the BLR stand at 2.995% which still the same 3.0% currently. this why BLR still stood at 6.6%.

any increase of decrease of BLR are dictated by overall OPR movement. the profit and lost are also taken to consideration. so the financial institution can keep afloat.
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Yes it didn't come down. That is all because BNM wants to maintain it by intervening the market. That is what the link is saying.

Whereas the FD rates has come down from 4.xx% to 3.xx%. Clearly indicating banks has too much money in the market. And the banks taking cheaper deposits while lending at same BLR, they are making even more money sweat.gif
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Yes it didn't come down. That is all because BNM wants to maintain it by intervening the market. That is what the link is saying.

Whereas the FD rates has come down from 4.xx% to 3.xx%. Clearly indicating banks has too much money in the market. And the banks taking cheaper deposits while lending at same BLR, they are making even more money  sweat.gif
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as previous posting 3.6% set aside for bank operational cost. with profit margin of 0.6%. if they give BLR (6.6%) - 2.4% = 4.2%

make sense FD went down to 3.xx% as u said. we know low FD discourages savers. if they banks give u better FD rate. hence why banks must charge more for loans. there has to be a balance which BNM are to moderate. however stiff competition among banks are good too for consumers.

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QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 25 2014, 03:13 PM)
as previous posting 3.6% set aside for bank operational cost. with profit margin of 0.6%. if they give BLR (6.6%) - 2.4% = 4.2%

make sense FD went down to 3.xx% as u said. we know low FD discourages savers. if they banks give u better FD rate. hence why banks must charge more for loans. there has to be a balance which BNM are to moderate. however stiff competition among banks are good too for consumers.
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No lah. When FD at 4.xx%, housing loan is BLR - 2.xx%. Credit card loan at 18%pa. Car loan (new car) 2.x%-3.x%

Now FD at 3.xx%, housing loan still same rate. Credit card also same rate. Car loan also same rate. Bank's margin is larger

Now bank's loan affected by rulings. Inflation affect spending. Banks got excess money. BNM has to absorb the excess. That is what the link I provided is saying. So that BNM's OPR is maintained at ~3%. If BNM don't intervene and let market decide the rate, BLR should have come down. Along the way, banks make more money. That is what my friend's quote says.
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 25 2014, 03:28 PM)
No lah. When FD at 4.xx%, housing loan is BLR - 2.xx%. Credit card loan at 18%pa. Car loan (new car) 2.x%-3.x%

Now FD at 3.xx%, housing loan still same rate. Credit card also same rate. Car loan also same rate. Bank's margin is larger

Now bank's loan affected by rulings. Inflation affect spending. Banks got excess money. BNM has to absorb the excess. That is what the link I provided is saying. So that BNM's OPR is maintained at ~3%. If BNM don't intervene and let market decide the rate, BLR should have come down. Along the way, banks make more money. That is what my friend's quote says.
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the contribution factor are inflation. where goes with our purchasing power? even SG dollar fares better than ringgit. inefficient money management by our govt. always ask parliment supplementary budget and mismanagement. the growing national deficits we lose out paying interest to dev nation like japan for example.

the very high presence of foreigners/illegal aliens in our streets/city/town/factories. they work and take huge amount our monies out back home. so what can you say?

we cannot compare the past with current and future times. we can only look forward. entrust our hopes to ruling govt majority vote for betterment.

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if u are into property buying. be always prepare for good and bad times. be alert always.
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QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 21 2014, 12:11 AM)
seriously to be honest if you are to do the same job for rest of your life. u be paid the same amount or lesser even for years to come. basically it comes down to demand and supply. if the company willing to keep u. that's fine, consider yourself lucky. when they opt for automation u are consider redundant and out of the job. basically it comes down to one's own mindset.

when you see yourself doing above more than you are paid, keep learning and improving. the company management does not give a damn about been appreciative to your efford. instead of finding justification to brainwash you into thinking this is what u deserved. henceby taking all your credits to promote themselves. to keep their jobs safe. dumping their workload on you taking things easy themselves. it's your own wisdom and decision either to move out for better prospect. or perhaps stay down being obedient under suppression.
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if someone not being promoted for 3-4 levels up from day 1 he/she joint the company for 10 yrs, then somthing wrong alrdy. Better move out to find greener grass... ideally one shld chg job every 4-5 yrr for career dev.

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QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 25 2014, 03:40 PM)
the contribution factor are inflation. where goes with our purchasing power? even SG dollar fares better than ringgit. inefficient money management by our govt. always ask parliment supplementary budget and mismanagement. the growing national deficits we lose out paying interest to dev nation like japan for example.

the very high presence of foreigners/illegal aliens in our streets/city/town/factories. they work and take huge amount our monies out back home. so what can you say?
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if someone not being promoted for 3-4 levels up from day 1 he/she joint the company for 10 yrs, then somthing wrong alrdy. Better move out to find  greener grass... ideally one shld chg job every 4-5 yrr for career dev.
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u need not change job frequently. otherwise u be label as "leaping frog" in the market. if the same company offer you prospect. well make do with it. if other co. is paying fair much better benefit. there is no stopper one opt to move on. the decision always yours.

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Absolutely nothing we can do. And we can't do anything on monetary policy too. cry.gif
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we can do our part as citizen. just hope and pray lor.

unless you are capable to consider migrating out..... brows.gif brows.gif

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u need not change job frequently. otherwise u be label as "leaping frog" in the market. if the same company offer you prospect. well make do with it. if other co. is paying fair much better benefit. there is no stopper one opt to move on. the decision always yours.
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Changing job evry 4-5 yrs once shld not labled as leaping frog la...! I refering to someone joint the company as clerk/executive/engineer.. and 10 yrs later.. still keep the same position or only 1 level up la!

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Changing job evry 4-5 yrs once shld not labled as leaping frog la...! I refering to someone joint the company as clerk/executive/engineer.. and 10 yrs later.. still keep the same position or only 1 level up la!
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when you change. u should had next level of experiences add value for new employer. this is on your bargaining portion for better perks.

it depends on individual preferences. some prefer stay the way they are. they work well with employer. the employer let them be. so as long they do their work and deliver.
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QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 25 2014, 03:55 PM)
u need not change job frequently. otherwise u be label as "leaping frog" in the market. if the same company offer you prospect. well make do with it. if other co. is paying fair much better benefit. there is no stopper one opt to move on. the decision always yours.
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Your opinion and insights does not apply to those working in the oil and gas sector like me. Sorry dude.

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Your opinion and insights does not apply to those working in the oil and gas sector like me. Sorry dude.
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you have your point here.

are u saying your co.
1. have a very high turnaround of staff?
2. too much excess of politics and discrimination affecting staff moral.
3. major reshuffling to downsize organization structure.
4. closure of business unit/cost center which they see deem not profitable.
5. downsizing in way centralize core operation. where branches had to shutdown.
6. outsourcing.

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these are indeed risk factor for those in employment. how one can service their home loans in difficult economic times.

scenario:

what if sudden boss comes to you. ok you mr. or mrs. so and so, today is your last day. here is your 1mth - 3mths pay cheque (depending on your termination/resignation terms).

BLR go up monthly payment also up depending on banks. you are in such scenario and suddenly got a bank letter revise a higher mthly payment rate.
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QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 25 2014, 06:47 PM)
you have your point here.

are u saying your co.
1. have a very high turnaround of staff?
2. too much excess of politics and discrimination affecting staff moral.
3. major reshuffling to downsize organization structure.
4. closure of business unit/cost center which they see deem not profitable.
5. downsizing in way centralize core operation. where branches had to shutdown.
6. outsourcing.
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The above points sound more like those manufacturing, finance, construction, banking, hotel, logistics, retail sectors. Again, apart from point no.1, the rest are not applicable.
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BSN just announced it increased its BLR to 6.6%. Why did they do this? There was no change in the OPR by Bank Negara, right? And I thought the current BLR is already at 6.6%?

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QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 25 2014, 03:55 PM)
u need not change job frequently. otherwise u be label as "leaping frog" in the market. if the same company offer you prospect. well make do with it. if other co. is paying fair much better benefit. there is no stopper one opt to move on. the decision always yours.
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if your referring to those who hop every 6 months, then they can be called leaping frog without proper specialization.

every 4-5 years is the ideal case for <40 years old or so. Say your current job grade is lvl5, and you know it takes ~5 years to level up. You can hop to another RELEVANT company to receive that higher job grade + salary markup + new experience. And when time comes, you may opt to hop back to your original company, and the "old" workers will realise how you manage to be in so much higher grade than them in the same time window. Its pretty common, like example my CEO is only 40 years old, numerous experience in all other competitor companies and had experienced in my(his original) company years back. The added value in him is high. Its a huge O&G mnc btw.
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QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 16 2014, 11:23 AM)
I heard rumors of BLR is going to increase. Currently the amount is 6.6%. I do rough estimation if there are 1.0% increase. you keep on paying the current rate. your loan tenure will extend to another 2 years.

for example there are a time year back BLR 5.5%. now is 6.6%. what will happen if this keep on increasing. now with rumors of GST going wild. the rapid hike in cost of living. think of it if BLR increase further. what is the implication.
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got such thing as loan tenure increase? rclxub.gif not pay higher installment meh?

it will go up. but if it goes up like 1-2%, many will declare bankrupt
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QUOTE(lioncarlsberg @ Jan 25 2014, 08:30 PM)
BSN just announced it increased its BLR to 6.6%. Why did they do this? There was no change in the OPR by Bank Negara, right? And I thought the current BLR is already at 6.6%?
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Current BLR is 6.6%. so if BSN anouncing 6.6% consider no change.
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if your referring to those who hop every 6 months, then they can be called leaping frog without proper specialization.

every 4-5 years is the ideal case for <40 years old or so. Say your current job grade is lvl5, and you know it takes ~5 years to level up. You can hop to another RELEVANT company to receive that higher job grade + salary markup + new experience. And when time comes, you may opt to hop back to your original company, and the "old" workers will realise how you manage to be in so much higher grade than them in the same time window. Its pretty common, like example my CEO is only 40 years old, numerous experience in all other competitor companies and had experienced in my(his original) company years back. The added value in him is high. Its a huge O&G mnc btw.
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u don't really learn from 6mths.. but at least something within 1 year. those who opt to hop. they usually wait for bonus to be credited to acc. once confirm off goes resignation letter... icon_idea.gif

if 4 - 5 years in big co. doing routine kinda job. u won't go anywhere. when everything you do is defined and process oriented. but u can do more taking own initiative, to prove yourself to your bosses. take every chances to take up higher level of responsibilities. learn from there. that sufficiently help u to move out. when u are back out there. u became your own former senior's boss... tongue.gif
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got such thing as loan tenure increase? rclxub.gif not pay higher installment meh?

it will go up. but if it goes up like 1-2%, many will declare bankrupt
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when i got my loan BLR was 5.55%. now is 6.6%. i received yearly bank statement that says revision of monthly installment. to date i still pay the same amount in monthly payment. despite the term and condition written at bottom.

this is case to case basis. my bank does not increase mine. but they purposely intended increase for other individual.

for my case their intention is drag the installemt longer make me pay more interest... doh.gif

INTEREST RATE
KINDLY NOTE THAT WE WILL REVISE YOUR MONTHLY INSTALLMENT ACCORDINGLY IF THERE IS A CHANGE IN THE INTEREST RATE AS A RESULT OF MOVEMENT IN BLR OR INTEREST SPREAD.

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if someone not being promoted for 3-4 levels up from day 1 he/she joint the company for 10 yrs, then somthing wrong alrdy. Better move out to find  greener grass... ideally one shld chg job every 4-5 yrr for career dev.
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 25 2014, 03:28 PM)
No lah. When FD at 4.xx%, housing loan is BLR - 2.xx%. Credit card loan at 18%pa. Car loan (new car) 2.x%-3.x%

Now FD at 3.xx%, housing loan still same rate. Credit card also same rate. Car loan also same rate. Bank's margin is larger

Now bank's loan affected by rulings. Inflation affect spending. Banks got excess money. BNM has to absorb the excess. That is what the link I provided is saying. So that BNM's OPR is maintained at ~3%. If BNM don't intervene and let market decide the rate, BLR should have come down. Along the way, banks make more money. That is what my friend's quote says.
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10 years same company with no promotion & increment and yet dont jump is possible in 1 logical scenario....when one is the CEO/boss.
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http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business-ne...eplace-blr.html

PFR to replace BLR

"It stressed that the proposed changes would not have an impact on effective lending rates charged to retail borrowers. Effective
lending rates are determined by a range of factors, including the bank’s assessment of a borrower’s credit standing, it pointed out.

The new reference rate will be used for the pricing of new retail loans and the refinancing of existing loans after the effective date of the
new framework. Existing loans will continue to be referenced against the BLR."


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BNM is encouraging bankers to setup the rate looking into their operation cost and other attribution. the way is many different banks will have different ways in managing their resources and cost varies.

banks with much surplus in cash flow will lead the way. that eventually depriving other banks by giving more attractive loan new packages. as an outcome there will be mergers and acquisition in later time. sooner later consumer will have less choices to go about with loans. whereby the PFR moreless encourages monopoly.

by that time Tan Sri Zeti would had jump ship... icon_idea.gif
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Better Refinance to fixed rate packages.
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I am interesting to know PR1MA house buyers go with BLR or PFR?
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I am interesting to know PR1MA house buyers go with BLR or PFR?
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Actually they have to pay more interest in long run and lots of T&C. With that cost to by stripped version house, look for old house will be better sometimes.
Like my mother just bought a 30 years old house for rm22000, spend another rm20000 just to recondition the house. Total cost is just rm42000 and way cheaper.
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QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 19 2014, 02:58 PM)
Actually they have to pay more interest in long run and lots of T&C. With that cost to by stripped version house, look for old house will be better sometimes.
Like my mother just bought a 30 years old house for rm22000, spend another rm20000 just to recondition the house. Total cost is just rm42000 and way cheaper.
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RM 22K house !! which kampung ??

U mean RM 220K ??
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RM 22K house !! which kampung ??

U mean RM 220K ??
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BLR increase will not impact the BBB mode now. Buyers still can absorb BLR increase.
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A Banker from HLBB told me the BLR will increase on July..
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CPI softened 2 months in a row, expect BNM to raise OPR soon.
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When CPI drop, interest rate should drop also right?
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Yes, when CPI drops, inflation rate drops, interest should drop too. Read here for more explanation: http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/12...elationship.asp
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Yes, when CPI drops, inflation rate drops,  interest should drop too. Read here for more explanation: http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/12...elationship.asp
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Theory and reality are 2 different matter all together. See the bottom right chart for Malaysia CPI vs OPR trend.
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KUALA LUMPUR: Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) raised the overnight policy rate (OPR) by 25 basis points to 3.25% on Thursday, the first time since May 2011 with economists expecting the rate hike to address the potential rise in financial imbalances.
Alliance Bank Malaysia chief economist, Manokaran Mottain said the hike in the OPR was a "pre-emptive measure to prevent further disproportionate risk taking as well as reducing asset price misalignments".

"While the central bank in previous instances had preferred to make use of macro prudential tools in reducing asset price bubbles risks, the rate hike will likely deliver greater traction in averting any excessive leveraging activities," he said.

BNM said the decision was made at its monetary policy committee (MPC) meeting as the latest economic indicators pointed to continued strength in exports and private sector activity in Malaysia. It also expected Malaysia's overall economic growth momentum to be sustained.

"The floor and ceiling rates of the corridor for the OPR are correspondingly raised to 3.00% and 3.50% respectively," it said. "At the new level of the OPR, the stance of monetary policy remains supportive of the economy."

BNM said going forward, the overall growth momentum was expected to be sustained while inflation has been relatively stable.

"Exports will continue to benefit from the recovery in the advanced economies and from regional demand. Investment activity is projected to remain robust, led by the private sector."

"Private consumption will be supported by stable income growth and favourable labour market conditions. The prospects are therefore for the Malaysian economy to remain firmly on a steady growth path," it said.

BNM said inflation has been relatively stable as the effects of the price adjustments for utilities and energy continue to moderate. Demand driven inflation remains contained, it added.

"Looking ahead, inflation is, however, expected to remain above its long-run average due to the higher domestic cost factors.

BNM added amid the firm growth prospects and with inflation remaining above its long-run average, the monetary policy committee decided to adjust the degree of monetary accommodation.

This normalisation of monetary conditions also aims to mitigate the risk of broader economic and financial imbalances that could undermine the growth prospects of the Malaysian economy, said the central bank.

Alliance Bank's Manokaran said the MPC's decision to raise the OPR by 25bps was within expectation as well as market consensus.

He pointed out that since the previous MPC meeting in May, financial markets had been influenced by this expectation.

The ringgit rallied to RM3.172 against the US dollar on Wednesday, up 2.06% gain. At the close on Thursday, the ringgit was trading at RM3.182.

"In the meantime, the rise in OPR will likely improve Malaysia's attractiveness amongst foreign investors, leading to stronger capital inflows, lower bond yields and an appreciating ringgit.

"Looking ahead, we do not see the recently announced OPR hike to be the start of a monetary tightening process. At the new rate, the OPR remains accommodative of growth. In this regard, we expect the OPR to remain unchanged at 3.25% for the rest of 2014," he said.

Link : http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...-rate-by-25bps/
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the effect of increased BLR i think like this to rentals, business you renting and etc..

after the announcement of Blr, there was a short conversation between bearbearwong( BBW), Manchester United (MU), showtime (SH), gogo2 (gogo) , Zuiko (ZK) at a cafe shop. below are merely illustrative purposes and do not reflect the actual conversation..

BBW: eh.. eh.. ello.. ello brother MU so free to visit me? how are you?
MU: I am fine, no lar i purposely come to the shop unit i rent to you to taste your Singapor Char Bee Hon, drool.gif and also the tenancy expiring maa, going to renew.. i brought along bro SH also.
BBW: Very good, so fast tenancy end meh? sad.gif
SH: Dun waste time, fast bring your singapore char bee hon leh
BBW: Okok, wati bring 2 plates of Sing Ka Po char bee hon for these 2 boss. Brother btw i got news leh very in one..
MU: what news oh BBW? you bought 1 units of luxury condominium in Orchard Road Singkapore after frying so many sING -KA-po cahr bee hon? rclxms.gif
SH: hahaha
BBW: Walao eh.. brothers, you joking meh, linpeh KL high rise also cannot buy how to buy Singapore oh? Teasing me.
MU: Okok lor.. what news you have?
BBW: Eh you know, that Bank Negara sipeh Jialat lehh.. they just increase the BLR from 6.6 % to 6.85% wor..
SH: haiya relax lahhh, 25 basic points only.. 100k increase around RM20 monthly... keluar masuk starbucks already RM20 maa.. why worry
MU: oi, apalah you, me loan this shop 1.5 million wor.. rent to BBW also reduced rental coz rental cannot cover loans maa.. how much like that?
SH: Errr.. RM20 monthly for 100k, so 1.5 million is around (15 X RM20). Around.. 300 lor
MU: wah 300 ah monthly... i got few properties sumore lehh, luckily BBW rent this unit from me
BBW: brother, so how my rental rates? increase RM300 monthly ah? Bank negara want to increase on September another 25 points wor.. like that BLR is 7.1%
MU: Brother you sure or not like that very jialat, suddenly RM600... then i have to increase RM600 lor..
BBW: wah... suckk blood mehhh... taukeh how many Singapore Char Bee hon i need fry oh
SH: Ya wor... RM600 dun pray pray.. Toyota vios 1 unit gone
MU: Aiyo, BBW why so hard.. my rental RM600 only maa.. i also service the bank one.. is justified one for the increase...
BBW: bro, business bo good leh?
MU: BBW you got learn taichi before or not? Let me teach you... I increase RM600, you increase your Char Bee hon another RM0.50 each plate lor.. easy maa, you can profit too.. customer ask you say rental increase, they ask why rental increase, you say bank negara increase BLR lor..
BBW: Thank you bro MU and SH... good idea.. like that many other tings will also increase lor.. all sure take opportunity one maa.. car interest leh? personal loans?
MU: That one you chap sang... hehehe
SH: yum yum

on another table bro ZK

ZK: Oi, bro Mu u lucky lor got ppl rent, my unit bo lang rent suddenly need to fork out RM600 extra sipeh jialat.. mad.gif
MU: Investment maa... thumbup.gif
Gogo: Hey bros... apalah you guys havent calculated GST yet...6% next year leh

ZK,MU,BBW, SH: Jialat lorrrrrrrrr...

in this exercise rentals shall increase to cushion the BLR increase, and thus price related to it will increase further..thus the buying powers of purchasers further deteriorate , with current condition subsales already so low, with this coming in and rental yields failed to cover loans and further making the range to cover loans bigger causing investors to fork out more money to service loans.. low end flippers might face problem if bank negara increase again after 2nd increase, after GST.. more bleeding.. as we can see.. units are not sellable..
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the effect of increased BLR i think like this to rentals, business you renting and etc..

after the announcement of Blr, there was a short conversation between bearbearwong( BBW), Manchester United (MU), showtime (SH), gogo2 (gogo) , Zuiko (ZK) at a cafe shop. below are merely illustrative purposes and do not reflect the actual conversation..

BBW: eh.. eh.. ello.. ello brother MU so free to visit me? how are you?
MU: I am fine, no lar i purposely come to the shop unit i rent to you to taste your Singapor Char Bee Hon, drool.gif and also the tenancy expiring maa, going to renew.. i brought along bro SH also.
BBW: Very good, so fast tenancy end meh? sad.gif
SH: Dun waste time, fast bring your singapore char bee hon leh
BBW: Okok, wati bring 2 plates of Sing Ka Po char bee hon for these 2 boss. Brother btw i got news leh very in one..
MU: what news oh BBW? you bought 1 units of luxury condominium in Orchard Road Singkapore after frying so many sING -KA-po cahr bee hon? rclxms.gif
SH: hahaha
BBW: Walao eh.. brothers, you joking meh, linpeh KL high rise also cannot buy how to buy Singapore oh? Teasing me.
MU: Okok lor.. what news you have?
BBW: Eh you know, that Bank Negara sipeh Jialat lehh.. they just increase the BLR from 6.6 % to 6.85% wor..
SH: haiya relax lahhh, 25 basic points only.. 100k increase around RM20 monthly... keluar masuk starbucks already RM20 maa.. why worry
MU: oi, apalah you, me loan this shop 1.5 million wor.. rent to BBW also reduced rental coz rental cannot cover loans maa.. how much like that?
SH: Errr.. RM20 monthly for 100k, so 1.5 million is around (15 X RM20). Around.. 300 lor
MU: wah 300 ah monthly... i got few properties sumore lehh, luckily BBW rent this unit from me
BBW: brother, so how my rental rates? increase RM300 monthly ah? Bank negara want to increase on September another 25 points wor.. like that BLR is 7.1%
MU: Brother you sure or not like that very jialat, suddenly RM600... then i have to increase RM600 lor..
BBW: wah... suckk blood mehhh... taukeh how many Singapore Char Bee hon i need fry oh
SH: Ya wor... RM600 dun pray pray.. Toyota vios 1 unit gone
MU: Aiyo, BBW why so hard.. my rental RM600 only maa.. i also service the bank one.. is justified one for the increase...
BBW: bro, business bo good leh?
MU: BBW you got learn taichi before or not? Let me teach you... I increase RM600, you increase your Char Bee hon another RM0.50 each plate lor.. easy maa, you can profit too.. customer ask you say rental increase, they ask why rental increase, you say bank negara increase BLR lor..
BBW: Thank you bro MU and SH... good idea.. like that many other tings will also increase lor.. all sure take opportunity one maa.. car interest leh? personal loans?
MU: That one you chap sang... hehehe
SH: yum yum

on another table bro ZK

ZK: Oi, bro Mu u lucky lor got ppl rent, my unit bo lang rent suddenly need to fork out RM600 extra sipeh jialat.. mad.gif
MU: Investment maa... thumbup.gif
Gogo: Hey bros... apalah you guys havent calculated GST yet...6% next year leh

ZK,MU,BBW, SH: Jialat lorrrrrrrrr...

in this exercise rentals shall increase to cushion the BLR increase, and thus price related to it will increase further..thus the buying powers of purchasers further deteriorate , with current condition subsales already so low, with this coming in and rental yields failed to cover loans and further making the range to cover loans bigger causing investors to fork out more money to service loans.. low end flippers might face problem if bank negara increase again after 2nd increase, after GST.. more bleeding.. as we can see.. units are not sellable..
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good good ...sell it to me...im full loaded of bullet...can pm me...i will give u a very "good" price....time for me to collect setem...semenyih, kajang, sg long, bangi...not interested...
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10% dp, hike in blr, gst what else under bnm sleeves?

rental gonna be serious business yo

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mana pergi, nak pergi mana, BLR will increase again in Sept , now dunno will 3rd increase before GST or not..
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yup...still on...now can start shopping for subsale rclxms.gif
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yup...still on...now can start shopping for subsale rclxms.gif
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so BLR will naik to 6.85%? starting when?
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so BLR will naik to 6.85%? starting when?
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2moro or latest by monday
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so BLR will naik to 6.85%? starting when?
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With further mergers of Banks, competition will become less.
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Are you sure it will be 6.85% pa???? Could be more though since it is determined by Bank.

With further mergers of Banks, competition will become less.
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these banks is not profiting... use better f\phrase is called merger.. actually merger refers to companies of equal strength, money and influence... these banks merge or take over are weak and got financial problem one..

where got share holder like to merge one... once merge share dilution, meaning smaller power in board of shareholders.. dividen also lower..

haizzz... our moneis , fd , investments...haizzz
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dear guys.. (ZK,MU,BBW, SH) can give example for residential property rental smile.gif .. how to brainwash tenants smile.gif hehehe
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QUOTE(blasto @ Jul 10 2014, 10:24 PM)
dear guys.. (ZK,MU,BBW, SH) can give example for residential property rental smile.gif .. how to brainwash tenants smile.gif hehehe
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my opinion is residential mass units i.e condos, service apartment and landed prices are still below 1 million median price is around 400k to 600k, with this, the said interest rates even after September were merely on RM200 monthly taking 500k..

rm200 extra you can choose either swallowing it, getting lesser profit which is highly unlikely.. or increase the rental another RM200 to compensate the increase but run the risk of tenants going off.. even thou you break down to 3 tenants around RM70 per person assuming 3 room apartments/condos, the tenants will face increase in foods such as business renting are taking more rentals after owners need to service higher interest..

as such, tenants may just opt to other units which is cheaper, given the mass units of high rise which all are competitive with LRT, MRT, LRT extension, KTm, all investors will be renting the standard price anyway everywhere as long as there are these along..

so matter of choice and living cost.. car loans might be affected too, personal loans, constructions loans, renovation loans..

my 2 cents..or try increase 100 and swallow 100, that is reasonable.. but for older properties especially those below 400k BOUGHT pre 2010, this effect are not severe, worse they just swallow with lower profit, these older prop rental yields can cover loans, other than this rental yields if (rented) also cant cover loans and further burden by increase in interest...

couple with GST coming in, which surely cost increase across the board, tenants/buyers are cautious, waiting scene for purchase are sure to come all the way
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So when is property bubble bursting?

Where is the Bomoh?
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a quick question

if under con property have DIBS, will the increase in interest rate affect the purchaser during the construction period (i.e. serving interests).
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a quick question

if under con property have DIBS, will the increase in interest rate affect the purchaser during the construction period (i.e. serving interests).
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Nope. It won't affect purchaser. But if the developer is small one, it will go bankrupt and your property will never be built finish. Bank will start come find you after the developer lari and ask you to serve loan. Let's say if the property is 70% finish, you need to serve 70% of the loan per month until someone take over.
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Link please.. hehe.. now we wait september... 2 months count down..

btw blr increase 6.85% we still get minus 2.4% or more?
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Link please.. hehe.. now we wait september... 2 months count down..

btw blr increase 6.85% we still get minus 2.4% or more?
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No announcement yet. Just got it from the bank internal meeting
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QUOTE(pobox @ Jul 11 2014, 12:12 PM)
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u sure or not?
wat i heard is BLR raised 0.25, FD only 0.15...
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QUOTE(happyice @ Jul 12 2014, 06:55 PM)
u sure or not?
wat i heard is BLR raised 0.25, FD only 0.15...
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Same here.. Will be 6.85%

Effective 16 July 2014 is what I heard from my source.


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finally it happened

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More street sleeper soon and free food for NGO need to folk more money...
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QUOTE(beyond86 @ Jul 12 2014, 07:35 PM)
U r right, maybank
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So if I'm already locked my funds in, will they adjust the rates or maintain it?
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So if I'm already locked my funds in, will they adjust the rates or maintain it?
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got 2 types, fixed and fluctuates.

if not fixed, then is 6.85 - 2.40 = 4.45%
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QUOTE(beyond86 @ Jul 12 2014, 11:46 PM)
got 2 types, fixed and fluctuates.

if not fixed, then is 6.85 - 2.40 =  4.45%
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Maybank's and PBB's BLR increased to 6.85% p.a. effective 16 July 2014.

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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Jul 13 2014, 08:56 AM)
MaybankMaybank's and PBB's BLR increased to 6.85% p.a. effective 16 July 2014.
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So fast revised. cry.gif
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So fast revised. cry.gif
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with the OPR increased last Friday, all banks will soon need to make announcement.

watch out for BLR annoucements next 2 days since all banks are (it seems) targeting 16 July as the effective date.

FD rate would be more gradual and slower.
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Maybank's and PBB's BLR increased to 6.85% p.a. effective 16 July 2014.
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pbb increase rate fast fast, other things slow slow
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pbb increase rate fast fast, other things slow slow
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increase blr fast, FD slow

unlike Maybank, announce blr & FD together
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increase blr fast, FD slow

unlike Maybank, announce blr & FD together
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Matybank fd why not same 0.25? Where gone the other 0.1?
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Matybank fd why not same 0.25? Where gone the other 0.1?
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is like that lo, BLR is 6.85%, while FD is 3.15%
they never do loss business
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is like that lo, BLR is 6.85%, while FD is 3.15%
they never do loss business
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they never do loss business is true, they never miss out opportunity to earn more is also true.
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is like that lo, BLR is 6.85%, while FD is 3.15%
they never do loss business
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I know someone declare bunkrupt last month.

she just walked out from maybank. No need to pay maybank huge buz loan.

Some time. we can give them loss buz. thumbup.gif

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I know someone declare bunkrupt last month.

she just walked out from maybank. No need to pay maybank huge buz loan.

Some time. we can give them loss buz. thumbup.gif
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but declared bankruptcy many things can't do already, Cannot have credit card, bank account, travel, etc......

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but declared bankruptcy many things can't do already, Cannot have credit card, bank account, travel, etc......
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if you dont declare bankrupt you also cant do many things cos you no money, even if you have money you need to use it to pay your debt
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but declared bankruptcy many things can't do already, Cannot have credit card, bank account, travel, etc......
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She is 72 years old lio. thumbup.gif
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She is 72 years old lio. thumbup.gif
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Pity her... how to survive in this high cost environment! Most probably she will need to work at her age in order to live!
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Pity her... how to survive in this high cost environment! Most probably she will need to work at her age in order to live!
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Pity her... how to survive in this high cost environment! Most probably she will need to work at her age in order to live!
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No need pity her. Because we all believe she transfer to her daughters for safe keeping. thumbup.gif
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What is the impact on property? OPR increase is small on Friday.
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What is the impact on property?  OPR increase is small on Friday.
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Heard from some source that there will be another round of increase in 4th quarter
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What is the impact on property?  OPR increase is small on Friday.
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http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014...est-says-agent/
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Heard from some source that there will be another round of increase in 4th quarter
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http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/Ekonomi/20...ka-hujung-tahun
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QUOTE(beyond86 @ Jul 13 2014, 04:24 PM)
looks like US going to increase interest as well dunno how it impact Malaysia later

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...rate-increases/

guys OCBC increasing as well:

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...rate-increases/

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Thanks advise, rclxms.gif .. so far every year increase.. tenant make noise for a while then adapt to it..like a frog wub.gif
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Hong Leong Bank raises lending, FD rates

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...nding-FD-rates/

KUALA LUMPUR: Hong Leong Bank and Hong Leong Islamic Bank will raise their base lending rate (BLR) and Islamic financing rate (IFR) by 25 basis points from 6.6% to 6.85% effective from Wednesday.

The banking group said on Monday that concurrently, the fixed deposit and term deposit-I would also be raised by 25bps.

The new fixed deposit and term deposit-I rates for one, six and 12 months would be raised to 3.05%, 3.2% and 3.3% respectively.

Its move to raise the rates was made after Bank Negara Malaysia's monetary policy committee decided to raise the overnight policy rate by 25bps to 3.25% last Thursday.

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http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v7/bu/ne....php?id=1053421

KUALA LUMPUR, July 14 (Bernama) -- OCBC Bank (M) Bhd and its subsidiary OCBC Al-Amin Bank Bhd will increase their base lending rates (BLR) and base financing rates (BFR) effective July 16.

This follows the increase in the Overnight Policy Rate (OPR) by 25 basis points.

The banks said in a statement that the BLR and BFR will be revised upward to 6.85 per cent per annum from 6.60 per cent previously.

Meanwhile, the mortgage lending rate, the alternative to the BLR for home loans, will also be increased to 5.70 per cent per annum from 5.45 per cent.


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She is 72 years old lio. thumbup.gif
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Doesn't matter to her then since almost time to meet her maker.

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So when is property bubble bursting?

Where is the Bomoh?
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Matybank fd why not same 0.25? Where gone the other 0.1?
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good idea, take huge loans den see if can transfer to other ppl's name.hahaha, shortcut to success!lol, but only in dream also
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No worry 0.25 is peanuts. Don't get panic over petty increase. Work harder dude.
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No worry 0.25 is peanuts. Don't get panic over petty increase. Work harder dude.
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worry my friend? come one 0.5% at max increase .. look so many ppl invested, i show portions of project in klang valley:

Expected vacant :

Semenyih- 90%
Cheras- You city- 70% Vp
Cheras- Maxim Mall & Residence- 70% above
Cheras- You Vista- 70% above
Cheras- Altitude 236- 70% above
Cheras- Vyna- 70% above
Cheras- Nine 9 Residence- 70% above
Cheras- Green Residence- 70% above
OUG Parklane- 80% above
Cheras Imperial residence- 60% above

Currently vped and vacant

Cheras green terraine- 85% vacant (post 7 months vp)
Cheras Amaya - 60% vacant (post 8 months vp)
Cheras Seri Puteri Condo- 60% vacant (post 8 months vp)
Cheras Connought avenue-30% vacant (post more than 3 years vp)
OUG-Surtera Maya -90% vacant (just vp mb 2 months)
OUG -Tiara Mutiara 1- 70% vacant ( post vp 3 months more)
Kajang-Tiara Park Homes - 80% vacant (post 5 months vp)
Kajang-Pearl Avenue- 50% vacant
Cheras- C180- 70% vacant
Cheras Pertama Residency- 70% vacant ( post vp 1 year plus)
Cheras- Mahkota Residence- 70% vp (post 7 months Vp)
Cheras- Suria Residence- Both phase 95% vp (just vp)
Cheras - Sky Vista Residence - 95% ( 1 moths post Vp)
Segambut/Kiara - Seri Putramas III- 80% Vacant ( post 3 months vp)
Setapak 222 residency- 50% vacant
List of all the PV suites (Platinum victoria)
Sg Besi Midfields 1- 50% vacant
Pandan-Axis atrium60% vacant
Pandan-Nusa Mewah Condo 100% vacant
Seri Kembangan -One South phase 1 (70% vacant) post 1 year Vp
Mont Kiara- Villa Orkid 80% vacant ( post 1 year vp)


Unknown status but launching/completing

Cheras- Cloud tree
Seri Kembangan- Dream city
Seri Kembangan- Univ 180
Seri Kembangan- SK One residence both phaase
KLCC- Star residence
KLCC- the mirage
KLCC-the residence
Seri Kembangan- Diamond Residence
Balakong- One almerin mall & residence
Balakong- the silk residence
Balakong- silk sky
Cheras- The Emeralk residence
Cheras- Pertama Residence
Sg Besi- Mid fields 2
OUG-the petalz
Old klang road- saville
Kajang- Saville @ Kajang
Pandan- 28 boulevard
KLCC- Faber Antara Condomimium
Shah Alam- Ken Rimba
OUG- the yarl residence
OUG- Tiara Mutiara 2
Bangi-Uni park
Bangi- BSP SKYPARK
Bangi- Evo ,bangi
Kajang- Symphony reisdence
Bukit Jalil- Andes
Shah Alam-Cube@ one South
OUG-Riversville
Jalan Ipoh- Lvke ville residence
Putrajaya- Shatfbury residence
KLCC-Madge Mansion
KLCC-The Mews
Mont Kiara- Icon residence
Bukit Jalil-Aurora residence
KLCC-sT mARY RESIDENCE
OUG- Serengin residence
Damansara- the Arie residence
KLCC-Suria stonar
KLCC- Dex residence
Mont Kiara -TWY
Mont Kiara- Concerto (north kaira)
Melawati- Nadayu 62
Jalan Ampang- M city
Sungai Besi- The centrina
KL- Kl gateway premium residence
Maluri-Sunway velocity- v residnesi 2
Maluri- Sunway velocity- v residnesi 1
Sungai Besi- Anyaman Residence
Padan- cENTRIO sUIT
Bangsar- saville 2 Bangsar
Kenny hills- Arata residence
Ampang- Rimbun residence
KL- Tribeca suits
Mont Kiara- Residence 22

joking ah? it is a BBB year ahead man.. Siakap Sinohong Gelama Ikan Duri, Bercakap Bohong Lama-Lama Mencuri.. mana ade BBB berpadalah pada namanya

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Alamak pak beruang. You kuat at defence ma'am Argentina. Mengarut betul pak in. You tak larat naik jadi penunggu la pak. Tak sabar2 nak defend. Kalau tak larat kanga mengada la pak. Cakap sama longkang la pak . Lol
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more depressing news on BLR increase:

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...al-house-buyer/

An informal poll with property professionals, potential house buyers and a lender on the various issues in the property market today, including the BLR increase and lending based on gross/net selling prices and the effects on mortgage payments.

AND so the much-anticipated increase in the overnight policy rate (OPR) of 0.25% came. And with this increase, so will the base lending rate (BLR) on which mortgage rates are based, moving from the previous 6.6% to 6.85%. But this week’s increase in the BLR is not the only issue affecting the current property market.

There are other concerns, starting with the most recent. According to an informal poll with four property professionals, this increase of 0.25% is “marginal and will not impact mortgage payments significantly.”

Nevertheless, it is best not let our guard down because any increase, however small, impacts one way or another. The OPR resembles a set of tentacles that reach far into the nooks and corners of the economy – and our pockets. The OPR is the rate at which banks lend to each other.

Changes in the OPR invariably and inevitably are passed to consumers through a series of changes in the BLR of commercial banks and financial institutions, be it personal loans, mortgages and, hopefully, in the fixed deposit rates.

Henry Butcher Marketing Sdn Bhd chief operating officer Tang Chee Meng, on the current round of increase, says the Government will “not want to spook the market.”

Another round?

So the increase will be “gradual”, he says.

“Whether there will be another round later on depends on the economy,” Tang adds.

To really comprehend the significance of this round of increase on the property market, it is pertinent to consider the various anti-speculation measures imposed this year. These various measures work together to impact the market.

As it is, the various anti-speculation measures have already taken effect, as seen in the slower sales today.

Savills Rahim & Co managing director Robert Ang says: “Sales have been slow since this year. This increase in BLR will make property investors think twice. It will be translated into a higher investment cost.”

Ang says this marginal increase is “psychological”. There may be another round of increase before the end of the year, he adds.

Insignificant an increase of 0.25% may be, a total increase of 0.5% over the longer term will be significant.

Says a 40-year-old home buyer who is mulling a purchase: “I am not so bothered by this increase in BLR. I am more concerned about the goods and services tax (GST) which comes into effect next year. That will be far more painful for me, which is why I am thinking of buying now.”

Tax consultants are already holding interviews and talks on the effects of the GST on the economy. Although the residential segment of the property market is GST-exempt, there are concerns about its impact.

Association of Valuers, Property Managers, Estate Agents and Property Consultants in the Private Sector president Siders Sittampalam advises caution.

Net and gross price

“It will have an impact on prices and value. The GST is imposed on construction materials. The whole value chain has to bear it. When the price of the final product is calculated, for example in a developer’s launch, the developer will factor in the GST that he has paid into the launching price. There is no way a developer will absorb the GST that he has paid. He will not take a hair cut.”

Siders says he expects developers to put launches on hold, which reduces supply. With the drop in supply and demand remaining the same, the price goes up.

Besides the BLR and the GST, another current issue besetting the housing market are the marketing strategies developers employ which invariably raises the price of housing over the longer term.

A property consultant who wants to remain anonymous says a package which comes with air-conditioners, electrical products like washing machines, refrigerators and “free” legal fees increases the overall house price.

“This happens in the primary market when a buyer buys from the developer. The selling price is a package comprising a discount, electrical products and legal fees. The buyer thinks the legal fees are being absorbed by the developer. In reality, all these products and fees have already been factored into the price of the house,” he says.

Based on two different examples, a condominium and a double-storey landed unit, the source says a closer examination of both reveals that the extras tend to push up prices (see chart).

“Buyers are happy when they are given a discount. But this discount is actually factored into the price of the house. In the sale and purchase agreement, the price of the house is stated as RM800,000, the gross price. He gets a loan based on this gross selling price. He will be paying less if the loan were to be based on the net selling price,” he says.

Consider scenario 1 for a double-storey house. The house is sold for RM800,000. If the free stuff and discount were to be removed, the net price is actually RM756,500, a difference of RM43,500.

The monthly mortgage payment under a BLR of 6.6%-2.4% is RM3,369. Under the new rates, it is RM3,762, a difference of RM393.

If one were to take a loan based on net selling price under the new rates, he will be paying RM206 less, that is RM3,556.

Under scenario 2, the net selling price of the house is RM797,100, a reduction of RM43,900 from its launching price of RM841,000. The monthly mortgage payment is a difference of RM207. Over a 35-year loan tenure, these differences in BLR and gross/net selling price calculations will be considerable.

The basis of selling a house based on gross price, instead of the net price, results in the next launch being priced higher. It has a snow-balling effect for subsequent launches.
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A property consultant who wants to remain anonymous says a package which comes with air-conditioners, electrical products like washing machines, refrigerators and “free” legal fees increases the overall house price.

“This happens in the primary market when a buyer buys from the developer. The selling price is a package comprising a discount, electrical products and legal fees. The buyer thinks the legal fees are being absorbed by the developer. In reality, all these products and fees have already been factored into the price of the house,” he says.

Based on two different examples, a condominium and a double-storey landed unit, the source says a closer examination of both reveals that the extras tend to push up prices (see chart).

“Buyers are happy when they are given a discount. But this discount is actually factored into the price of the house. In the sale and purchase agreement, the price of the house is stated as RM800,000, the gross price. He gets a loan based on this gross selling price. He will be paying less if the loan were to be based on the net selling price,” he says.

Consider scenario 1 for a double-storey house. The house is sold for RM800,000. If the free stuff and discount were to be removed, the net price is actually RM756,500, a difference of RM43,500.

The monthly mortgage payment under a BLR of 6.6%-2.4% is RM3,369. Under the new rates, it is RM3,762, a difference of RM393.

If one were to take a loan based on net selling price under the new rates, he will be paying RM206 less, that is RM3,556.

Under scenario 2, the net selling price of the house is RM797,100, a reduction of RM43,900 from its launching price of RM841,000. The monthly mortgage payment is a difference of RM207. Over a 35-year loan tenure, these differences in BLR and gross/net selling price calculations will be considerable.

The basis of selling a house based on gross price, instead of the net price, results in the next launch being priced higher. It has a snow-balling effect for subsequent launches.
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He forgot DIBS interest.
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yup, BLR affect those too?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 15 2014, 12:27 AM)
Says a 40-year-old home buyer who is mulling a purchase: “I am not so bothered by this increase in BLR. I am more concerned about the goods and services tax (GST) which comes into effect next year. That will be far more painful for me, which is why I am thinking of buying now.”
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DIBS interest is factored into selling price i.e bank loan.
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BLR affect loan taken by developer to secure the land. More developer will bankrupt this year to next year and beyond. So any project with DIBS that is by small developer will not be completed and buyer will be saddled with loan but without property to stay or rented out.
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If the Bomoh cannot even find MH370, U think he can predict when market crash ?
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LYN Bomoh Wong very powderful wan...dun play play
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If he is so powerful, why didn't he find MH370 and collect the multi-million ringgit reward ?

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worry my friend? come one 0.5% at max increase .. look so many ppl invested, i show portions of project in klang valley:

Expected vacant :

Semenyih- 90%
Cheras- You city- 70% Vp
Cheras- Maxim Mall & Residence- 70% above
Cheras- You Vista- 70% above
Cheras- Altitude 236- 70% above
Cheras- Vyna- 70% above
Cheras- Nine 9 Residence- 70% above
Cheras- Green Residence- 70% above
OUG Parklane- 80% above
Cheras Imperial residence- 60% above

Currently vped and vacant

Cheras green terraine- 85% vacant (post 7 months vp)
Cheras Amaya - 60% vacant (post 8 months vp)
Cheras Seri Puteri Condo- 60% vacant (post 8 months vp)
Cheras Connought avenue-30% vacant (post more than 3 years vp)
OUG-Surtera Maya -90% vacant (just vp mb 2 months)
OUG -Tiara Mutiara 1- 70% vacant ( post vp 3 months more)
Kajang-Tiara Park Homes - 80% vacant (post 5 months vp)
Kajang-Pearl Avenue- 50% vacant
Cheras- C180- 70% vacant
Cheras Pertama Residency- 70% vacant ( post vp 1 year plus)
Cheras- Mahkota Residence- 70% vp (post 7 months Vp)
Cheras- Suria Residence- Both phase 95% vp (just vp)
Cheras - Sky Vista Residence - 95% ( 1 moths post Vp)
Segambut/Kiara - Seri Putramas III- 80% Vacant ( post 3 months vp)
Setapak 222 residency- 50% vacant
List of all the PV suites (Platinum victoria)
Sg Besi Midfields 1- 50% vacant
Pandan-Axis atrium60% vacant
Pandan-Nusa Mewah Condo 100% vacant
Seri Kembangan -One South phase 1 (70% vacant) post 1 year Vp
Mont Kiara- Villa Orkid 80% vacant ( post 1 year vp)
Unknown status but launching/completing

Cheras- Cloud tree
Seri Kembangan- Dream city
Seri Kembangan- Univ 180
Seri Kembangan- SK One residence both phaase
KLCC- Star residence
KLCC- the mirage
KLCC-the residence
Seri Kembangan- Diamond Residence
Balakong- One almerin mall & residence
Balakong- the silk residence
Balakong- silk sky
Cheras- The Emeralk residence
Cheras- Pertama Residence
Sg Besi- Mid fields 2
OUG-the petalz
Old klang road- saville
Kajang- Saville @ Kajang
Pandan- 28 boulevard
KLCC- Faber Antara Condomimium
Shah Alam- Ken Rimba
OUG- the yarl residence
OUG- Tiara Mutiara 2
Bangi-Uni park
Bangi- BSP SKYPARK
Bangi- Evo ,bangi
Kajang- Symphony reisdence
Bukit Jalil- Andes
Shah Alam-Cube@ one South
OUG-Riversville
Jalan Ipoh- Lvke ville residence
Putrajaya- Shatfbury residence
KLCC-Madge Mansion
KLCC-The Mews
Mont Kiara- Icon residence
Bukit Jalil-Aurora residence
KLCC-sT mARY RESIDENCE
OUG- Serengin residence
Damansara- the Arie residence
KLCC-Suria stonar
KLCC- Dex residence
Mont Kiara -TWY
Mont Kiara- Concerto (north kaira)
Melawati- Nadayu 62
Jalan Ampang- M city
Sungai Besi- The centrina
KL- Kl gateway premium residence
Maluri-Sunway velocity- v residnesi 2
Maluri- Sunway velocity- v residnesi 1
Sungai Besi- Anyaman Residence
Padan- cENTRIO sUIT
Bangsar- saville 2 Bangsar
Kenny hills- Arata residence
Ampang- Rimbun residence
KL- Tribeca suits
Mont Kiara- Residence 22

joking ah? it is a BBB year ahead man.. Siakap Sinohong Gelama Ikan Duri, Bercakap Bohong Lama-Lama Mencuri.. mana ade BBB berpadalah pada namanya
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For every 0.25% increase in BLR, the bank loan will roughly increase 3%.
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For every 0.25% increase in BLR, the bank loan will roughly increase 3%.
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To those who R already on a tight budget, 3% is a lot. And if the rely on the rentals to partly service the housing loan and if tenant leave to take up cheaper rentals elsewhere, this could be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

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Interesting! Keep posting the update to us.
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i try my best on occupancy rates...

Project vacant/vped

PV20- 70% vacant (post 1 year vp i guess)
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If he is so powerful, why didn't he find MH370 and collect the multi-million ringgit reward ?
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i try my best on occupancy rates...

Project vacant/vped

PV20- 70% vacant (post 1 year vp i guess)
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What is PV? 20 means what? 20 units vacant? 70% meabs 70% taken keys??? Or 30% still unsold? Need to understand what u post (pre verification stage)
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What is PV? 20 means what? 20 units vacant? 70% meabs 70% taken keys??? Or 30% still unsold? Need to understand what u post (pre verification stage)
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sorry..

PV= Platimum Victoria (in setapak area)
PV 20= 20th phase
each PV phase are around 800 units plus?

there are 20 phases of condominuums in setapak.. PV20 just vp 2 months and only has less than 30% occupancy..

http://www.propwall.my/setapak/platinum_lake_pv20

tiger i think you know these area right?

PV is very famous one all UTAR students (most agents source are from there one)

see ah..

PV1 to PV 20
PV nice one big sq minimum 1.3k sq onwards to 1.8k sq, 4 rooms sumore 2 bathroom
each PV= 800 units
20 PV = 800 units X 20 =1600 units

still lack 4 times behind OUG parklane, OUG record holder 4450 units by September hand keys...

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sorry..

PV= Platimum Victoria (in setapak area)
PV 20= 20th phase
each PV phase are around 800 units plus?

there are 20 phases of condominuums in setapak.. PV20 just vp 2 months and only has less than 30% occupancy..

http://www.propwall.my/setapak/platinum_lake_pv20
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Quite interesting. 20th phases...which means PV already got about 16000 units at setapak alone not including other developers condo/apartment/flat/landed....

today took a trip to drive thru the OKR till PJ n saw quite some projects halfway under construction n some like just completed...quite a number of projects....I not a high rise kaki as I hate to park the car at the car park n walk a long way to go back home n especially after coming back from shopping still got to run few trips to transfer the items shopped back up to the home. I really sweating on the high rise bubble...
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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jul 15 2014, 10:47 PM)
Quite interesting. 20th phases...which means PV already got about 16000 units at setapak alone not including other developers condo/apartment/flat/landed....

today took a trip to drive thru the OKR till PJ n saw quite some projects halfway under construction n some like just completed...quite a number of projects....I not a high rise kaki as I hate to park the car at the car park n walk a long way to go back home n especially after coming back from shopping still got to run few trips to transfer the items shopped back up to the home. I really sweating on the high rise bubble...
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yaya.. got time go Setapak gai gai.. see all the PV's list.. there are other projects as well like MKH saville@ melawati..

no talk cock one OUG parklane.. Dr Pitchard is pro..

haha see lehh.. many Old Klang road developments lehh... some launching, some finishing.. those finish vacancy dunno oh.. OKR famous scott garden

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yaya.. got time go Setapak gai gai.. see all the PV's list.. there are other projects as well like MKH saville@ melawati..
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I saw MKH big sign board at seri kembangan near the mines area.....
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yaya.. got time go Setapak gai gai.. see all the PV's list.. there are other projects as well like MKH saville@ melawati..

no talk cock one OUG parklane.. Dr Pitchard is pro..

haha see lehh.. many Old Klang road developments lehh... some launching, some finishing.. those finish vacancy dunno oh.. OKR famous scott garden
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I nearly bought Parklane during launching 1st phase which is slightly less than 300k few years back.

melawati area....I saw Veo??? And the sunway montana....
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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jul 15 2014, 10:51 PM)
I saw MKH big sign board at seri kembangan near the mines area.....
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MKH cannot help too many projects high rise only few identical

Saville@ kajang
Saville@ cheras
Saville @ melawati
Saville at OKR
hillpark 3 @ sementih
kajang bolouvard@ kajang
pearl avenue@ kajang
etc
etc.

seri kembangan taikors:

SK One residence phase 1
Sk one residence phase 2
Diamond residence
Univ 360
Dream City
3 elements
springville residece
forgot di

see to much will head pain one, i lucky grandmother and gf sister stay those areas in equine park and seri kembangan only easy to recognise..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 15 2014, 10:56 PM)
MKH cannot help too many projects high rise only few identical

Saville@ kajang
Saville@ cheras
Saville @ melawati
Saville at OKR
hillpark 3 @ sementih
kajang bolouvard@ kajang
pearl avenue@ kajang
etc
etc.

seri kembangan taikors:

SK One residence phase 1
Sk one residence phase 2
Diamond residence
Univ 360
Dream City
3 elements
springville residece
forgot di

see to much will head pain one, i lucky grandmother and gf sister stay those areas in equine park and seri kembangan only easy to recognise..
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hmm.gif seri kembangan area....I only know got princess inn last time...laugh.gif

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 15 2014, 10:56 PM)
MKH cannot help too many projects high rise only few identical

Saville@ kajang
Saville@ cheras
Saville @ melawati
Saville at OKR
hillpark 3 @ sementih
kajang bolouvard@ kajang
pearl avenue@ kajang
etc
etc.

seri kembangan taikors:

SK One residence phase 1
Sk one residence phase 2
Diamond residence
Univ 360
Dream City
3 elements
springville residece
forgot di

see to much will head pain one, i lucky grandmother and gf sister stay those areas in equine park and seri kembangan only easy to recognise..
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Equine park....understand it is very jam to get into seri kembangan town....
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If he is so powerful, why didn't he find MH370 and collect the multi-million ringgit reward ?
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Becoz he only interested in predicting property bubble burst.....no interest in help saving lives rclxm9.gif
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Becoz he only interested in predicting property bubble burst.....no interest in help saving lives rclxm9.gif
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PV1 to PV 20
PV nice one big sq minimum 1.3k sq onwards to 1.8k sq, 4 rooms sumore 2 bathroom
each PV= 800 units
20 PV = 800 units X 20 =1600 units

still lack 4 times behind OUG parklane, OUG record holder 4450 units by September hand keys...
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800 x 20 = 16,000 units. Maths given back to teacher already ?

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800 x 20 = 16,000 units. Maths given back to teacher already ?
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Yalor....16000 units woh...plus others leh
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Yalor....16000 units woh...plus others leh
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Like dis how?.. I got frw more projects to update oh.. just got.. more jialat
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Like dis how?.. I got frw more projects to update oh.. just got.. more jialat
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Recheck your figures....correct it. Else yourself also confuse n use wrong figures n people also confuse with u. May both talking the samething but because figures telling otherwise.

if PV with 16000 units can get half of it with occupants which means 8000 oh...the parklane just 4000, what's so difficult...u see...people (non buyer) already kpkb on the congestion lar, thus lar that lar, but they have not see how PV with 16000 units...4 times more...laugh.gif maybe wangsa maju not congested...
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Recheck your figures....correct it. Else yourself also confuse n use wrong figures n people also confuse with u. May both talking the samething but because figures telling otherwise.

if PV with 16000 units can get half of it with occupants which means 8000 oh...the parklane just 4000, what's so difficult...u see...people (non buyer) already kpkb on the congestion lar, thus lar that lar, but they have not see how PV with 16000 units...4 times more...laugh.gif maybe wangsa maju not congested...
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Pv more non working residents.. most UTAR TAR students.. and pak negros.. and etc..

if you know the figures tell.. so far no see any BBB mention anyting bout vacant units or projects.. really.never encounter mehh.. investors wor dunno meh which projects jialat which one not..

I non investors also know.. haizz


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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 16 2014, 04:34 PM)
Pv more non working residents.. most UTAR TAR students..  and pak negros.. and etc..

if you know the figures tell.. so far no see any BBB mention anyting bout vacant units or projects.. really.never encounter mehh.. investors wor dunno meh which projects jialat which one not..

I non investors also know.. haizz
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I not investors leh. I just a normal buyer. Plus told u many tines, I not a high rise buyer asi dont like high rise. Why spend time go monitor plus I dont monitor the projects. I just feel if I like it, I just buy it. U cant control the vacancy rate as u buy before it completed the construction stage.
I only heard this PV since last night only tongue.gif

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I not investors leh. I just a normal buyer. Plus told u many tines, I not a high rise buyer asi dont like high rise. Why spend time go monitor plus I dont monitor the projects. I just feel if I like it, I just buy it. U cant control the vacancy rate as u buy before it completed the construction stage.
I only heard this PV since last night only tongue.gif
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I'm wondering why nobody open a topic for this BLR increment... hmm.gif so far I only notice this announcement from Maybank website but not other bank yet.

Read from an old post related to BLR increment, saying bank has no right to increase our repayment amount, instead they will silently extend our loan serving period..
I just bought an apartment few months back and for the 0.25% increment will extend my repayment period from 30 years to 32 years.


Let's discuss what is the impact on property market after the increment on BLR, will it slow down the market? property price drop? speed up burble burst? help our country economy?



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I'm wondering why nobody open a topic for this BLR increment...  hmm.gif  so far I only notice this announcement from Maybank website but not other bank yet.

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You are too slow. Already discussed. The conclusion is the impact is there but will not have any major implication.
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I also get this from my ASB loan. From 4.95 interest hike to 5.2.

Maybe people still in shock, cant believe the wave is starting...
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The market has been anticipating this hike for the past 3-4 months, or longer. Not sure why there are still ppl in shock. Another increase expected to follow in Sept
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The market has been anticipating this hike for the past 3-4 months, or longer. Not sure why there are still ppl in shock. Another increase expected to follow in Sept
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I heard there will have one more round on early of next year... if increase 0.25% for 3 times, that will be 0.75%

For RM300k loan (30 yrs), the repayment will increase from RM 1040 to RM 1225
Total interest rate increase from 360k to 425k, that would be extra 60k..



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QUOTE(omyfish @ Jul 17 2014, 10:05 AM)
I heard there will have one more round on early of next year... if increase 0.25% for 3 times, that will be 0.75%

For RM300k loan (30 yrs), the repayment will increase from RM 1040 to RM 1225
Total interest rate increase from 360k to 425k, that would be extra 60k..
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60k is sap sap sui when a condo from 400k become 700k. I don't mind pay longer.

I just pity suiyi that bought condo at 700k or 800k. Kakaka...
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60k is sap sap sui when a condo from 400k become 700k. I don't mind pay longer.

I just pity suiyi that bought condo at 700k or 800k. Kakaka...
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Haha wat if the market price dat time is 800k but the ppl buy at 700k? It's call gd deal instead of suiyi then haha
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now increase loan become 32 years ... then later increase again ... become 35, 40, 45 years ... wah! forever in debt ...
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60k is sap sap sui when a condo from 400k become 700k. I don't mind pay longer.

I just pity suiyi that bought condo at 700k or 800k. Kakaka...
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Wahhh...400k to 700k..75% appreciation.. good ah..of course can after 15 years of purchase 750k also can..

and provided got ppl buy ur unit...
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Haha wat if the market price dat time is 800k but the ppl buy at 700k? It's call gd deal instead of suiyi then haha
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Of course good deal .. 15 years after good deal for purchasers..

dude dunno paid how much loan di.. main tenance... dunno how many time BLR increased di.. dunno how many new launch .. and finish built and compete with ur old units
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Omg. Increase again. Everyting increase. Sure crash coming soon. Lol
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The BLR increment will pro long the loan tenure?
I thought should be increase the monthly repayment.
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Apllicable to existing loan or to new loan only?
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Some people don't really feel it don't they?
I see that there's some who can still happily enjoy coffee @ RM10-20/day and spending at those high-tier breakfast place that cost RM30/meal instead of just sitting by kopitiam lim kopi-o.

Is there so many rich ppl around or we aren't aware of the high level of public debts? BLR increase, looks like many don't really give a damn, until they get hit hard.

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The BLR increment will pro long the loan tenure?
I thought should be increase the monthly repayment.
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As what I know is bank wont automatically increase the repayment amount, but you have to go to bank to request to pay more by yourself.

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http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busines...-from-wednesday

http://www.posterkini.com/bank-naikkan-blr...kuasa-16-julai/

http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business-ne...blr-to-685.html

Increased 0.25% P.A

If 100k loan - 1 year pay extra RM 250
If 500k Loan -1 yr pay extra RM1250
If 700k loan - 1 yr pay extra 1750
If 1million - 1 yr pay extra RM2500

Most Avg income ppl buy house take loan around 500-700k ..
So in a yr pay extra RM1250 - 1750

RM1250 - 1750 is quite a lot for middle income people to pay...

Sept later another 0.25 increase, so total is 0.5

RM 2500 - RM3500 extra to pay a year.. u say a lot onot?

Since some bank loan just extend the loan tenure.. in the end buyer still have to fork up the extra MONEY for more longer years also doh.gif ...


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QUOTE(princessgalaria @ Jul 17 2014, 10:39 AM)
Some people don't really feel it don't they?
I see that there's some who can still happily enjoy coffee @ RM10-20/day and spending at those high-tier breakfast place that cost RM30/meal instead of just sitting by kopitiam lim kopi-o.

Is there so many rich ppl around or we aren't aware of the high level of public debts? BLR increase, looks like many don't really give a damn, until they get hit hard.
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Got people think in such a way one,
The money that you spend, it is yours.
The money that you save, it belongs to the bank.
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QUOTE(omyfish @ Jul 17 2014, 10:40 AM)
As what I know is bank wont automatically increase the repayment amount, but you have to go to bank to request to pay more by yourself.
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I do not think so, last time my bank did write to me to inform the change of monthly repayment when there is a change in BLR.
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Depend on what type of loan rate you have: Fixed or floating rate
For existing fixed loan (eg, car loan) wont get any effect from this increment.

But most of the house loan is using floating rates, as it is more beneficial for the borrowers if they are not planning to hold the property for the whole full term.

If you do not make a special request to bank on the type of rates, normally the bank will just give you floating rate (some bank not even offer fixed rate for housing loan as what I know..)




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Another BLR thread, later become uuu vs ddd, later kena closed by SU. smile.gif
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Don't think that theres going to be a major impact from the increase in the BLR unless it goes up by about 1% imo.


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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 17 2014, 10:11 AM)
60k is sap sap sui when a condo from 400k become 700k. I don't mind pay longer.

I just pity suiyi that bought condo at 700k or 800k. Kakaka...
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bro, cannot say like that lor

new generation very hard to buy property liao


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QUOTE(viper88 @ Jul 17 2014, 10:45 AM)
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/busines...-from-wednesday

http://www.posterkini.com/bank-naikkan-blr...kuasa-16-julai/

http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business-ne...blr-to-685.html

Increased 0.25% P.A

If 100k loan - 1 year pay extra RM 250
If 500k Loan -1 yr pay extra RM1250
If 700k loan - 1 yr pay extra 1750
If 1million - 1 yr pay extra RM2500

Most Avg income ppl buy house take loan around 500-700k ..
So in a yr pay extra RM1250 - 1750

RM1250 - 1750 is quite a lot for middle income people to pay...

Sept later another 0.25 increase, so total is 0.5

RM 2500 - RM3500 extra to pay a year.. u say a lot onot?

Since some bank loan just extend the loan tenure.. in the end buyer still have to fork up the extra MONEY for more longer years also doh.gif ...
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+1.. for ownstay will die die fork out.. investors if desperate type and cannot sell.. sure rent.. high high.. at the end negros and pak hitam come
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Those that take loan till age 70.. maybe haf to pay till 80++ yrs old or die.. tongue.gif
if duwan extend loan tenure.. every month have to pay extra rm200 - 300 le when Sept BLR hit 7%...

Those flippers/agent will try sell/rent higher price to cover the extra increment of loan interest rates or sell fast fast to avoid losses.

Whereas ownstay buyer will suffer coz have to bear with the extra $$$$ to pay.

QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 17 2014, 10:57 AM)
+1.. for ownstay will die die fork out.. investors if desperate type and cannot sell.. sure rent.. high high.. at the end negros and pak hitam come
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Jul 17 2014, 11:07 AM)
Those that take loan till age 70.. maybe haf to pay till 80++ yrs old or die.. tongue.gif
if duwan extend loan tenure.. every month have to pay extra rm200 - 300 le when Sept BLR hit 7%...

Those flippers/agent will try sell/rent higher price to cover the extra increment of loan interest rates or sell fast fast to avoid losses.

Whereas ownstay buyer will suffer coz have to bear with the extra $$$$ to pay.
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Wasn't the max loan years fixed to 35 years.. smile.gif. Will this be exception since with BLR increase tenure should be increased too...

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Jul 17 2014, 11:07 AM)
Those flippers/agent will try sell/rent higher price to cover the extra increment of loan interest rates
Still UUU ... no problemo. brows.gif
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QUOTE(SonicKimi88 @ Jul 17 2014, 11:11 AM)
Wasn't the max loan years fixed to 35 years.. smile.gif. Will this be exception since with BLR increase tenure should be increased too...

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that's what I'm wondering too, because those below 30 will be able to take up to 35years and those with a MBA
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Dpds on wat type of loan agreement signed.
Some maybe can extend loan duration by maintain monthly installment...
some have to pay extra if BLR increase .


QUOTE(SonicKimi88 @ Jul 17 2014, 11:11 AM)
Wasn't the max loan years fixed to 35 years.. smile.gif. Will this be exception since with BLR increase tenure should be increased too...

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QUOTE(SonicKimi88 @ Jul 17 2014, 11:11 AM)
Wasn't the max loan years fixed to 35 years.. smile.gif. Will this be exception since with BLR increase tenure should be increased too...

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that's for new applications mah ... they should have paid 1-2 years ... so now increase from 33/4 to 35 years again...
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QUOTE(katijar @ Jul 17 2014, 11:19 AM)
that's for new applications mah ... they should have paid 1-2 years ... so now increase from 33/4 to 35 years again...
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wah.... back to square one... sad.gif

those just borrow? i think might need to pay extra then... hmm...
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Actually who are the beneficial from this increase? Gov to collect more base on this new rate or Bank to get more interest payment?


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mine 4.4% PA become 4.65% (Maybank House Loan)
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QUOTE(katijar @ Jul 17 2014, 10:23 AM)
now increase loan become 32 years ... then later increase again ... become 35, 40, 45 years ... wah! forever in debt ...
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No wonder Toll concessions need to extend the period of toll collection lar if no increased in toll rates. Can say same principle here?? laugh.gif
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Actually who are the beneficial from this increase? Gov to collect more base on this new rate or Bank to get more interest payment?
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I asked before n some answered me it is no effect as bank gives more in FD and some said that FD has increased even before the BLR increased because they said bank already anticipated that OPR ll increase. My thought is bank ll get more profits in short term.

I also wonder what is wrong here,if bank has excessive money cannot lend out as some said, thus need to increase OPR..n subsequently the BLR. Wouldn't this ll attract more FD n the funds getting more n more n with higher loan cost, if less people taking loans, wouldn't the bank stuck with more cash n need to pay interest to the depositors??? This may cause the bank to lose leh....




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QUOTE(princessgalaria @ Jul 17 2014, 10:39 AM)
Some people don't really feel it don't they?
I see that there's some who can still happily enjoy coffee @ RM10-20/day and spending at those high-tier breakfast place that cost RM30/meal instead of just sitting by kopitiam lim kopi-o.

Is there so many rich ppl around or we aren't aware of the high level of public debts? BLR increase, looks like many don't really give a damn, until they get hit hard.
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Yalor....last tuesday was at Gardens Mall....saw the crowd. The eateries are full of people....the TWG also almost full...it isnt cheap....one meal can easily 0.25 basis point tongue.gif

People hasnt adjusted their life style yet....living on credit if not enough cash (but I dont underestimate our citizen short of cash). Always got credit card to pay first.

Saw HSBC promoting credit cards n giving away a free tablet...was tempted to get that tablet but I dont have epf document to apply for one...so cancel deal. The promoter sad face...laugh.gif

Car park was full....the only way to find easy car park is the premier car park. Only for 2 hours, so ok lar...can save time n petrol to pusing pusing finding empty lots.

so. When hard time hits...it ll be painful as life style needs to he adjusted n many may not get used to it yet...business ll get hit...many closure ll happen...but that also give many opportunities to those in the long queue to open new business in the mall....get ready...
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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jul 17 2014, 01:44 PM)
I asked before n some answered me it is no effect as bank gives more in FD and some said that FD has increased even before the BLR increased because they said bank already anticipated that OPR ll increase. My thought is bank ll get more profits in short term.

I also wonder what is wrong here,if bank has excessive money cannot lend out as some said, thus need to increase OPR..n subsequently the BLR. Wouldn't this ll attract more FD n the funds getting more n more n with higher loan cost, if less people taking loans, wouldn't the bank stuck with more cash n need to pay interest to the depositors??? This may cause the bank to lose leh....
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Usually bank will earn more under money multiplier .bank can lend out few times of our reserve.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_multiplier

May be some economy expert / student can explains more to us on this topic.
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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jul 17 2014, 01:44 PM)
I asked before n some answered me it is no effect as bank gives more in FD and some said that FD has increased even before the BLR increased because they said bank already anticipated that OPR ll increase. My thought is bank ll get more profits in short term.

I also wonder what is wrong here,if bank has excessive money cannot lend out as some said, thus need to increase OPR..n subsequently the BLR. Wouldn't this ll attract more FD n the funds getting more n more n with higher loan cost, if less people taking loans, wouldn't the bank stuck with more cash n need to pay interest to the depositors??? This may cause the bank to lose leh....
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Just need few more months to go will know banker will get how much bonus for this year. Some already start planning how to spend for next holiday liao, because the additional income is not likely to worst than prior year. smile.gif

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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jul 17 2014, 01:54 PM)
Yalor....last tuesday was at Gardens Mall....saw the crowd. The eateries are full of people....the TWG also almost full...it isnt cheap....one meal can easily 0.25 basis point tongue.gif

People hasnt adjusted their life style yet....living on credit if not enough cash (but I dont underestimate our citizen short of cash). Always got credit card to pay first.

Saw HSBC promoting credit cards n giving away a free tablet...was tempted to get that tablet but I dont have epf document to apply for one...so cancel deal. The promoter sad face...laugh.gif

Car park was full....the only way to find easy car park is the premier car park. Only for 2 hours, so ok lar...can save time n petrol to pusing pusing finding empty lots.

so. When hard time hits...it ll be painful as life style needs to he adjusted n many may not get used to it yet...business ll get hit...many closure ll happen...but that also give many opportunities to those in the long queue to open new business in the mall....get ready...
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Seriously, a lot of ppl is still not aware of the 'storm' that's yet to come and still happily living a luxurious lifestyle whereby most of their things are on credit. When they feel the pain with a greater increase in loan, first thing they hv to cut will be all these things. Then next, business affected and all..

Don't you see cafe coming up like sprouting beans? But these are just trends... that won't last long. Just like bubble tea and burger joints. People eventually get sick of all these. I, myself wouldn't be able to maintain such lifestyle. Have to 'lim' kopi at home. This is just a small increase in BLR, middle income ppl actually feels the most pain I guess. Salary tak naik...
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QUOTE(princessgalaria @ Jul 17 2014, 02:05 PM)
Seriously, a lot of ppl is still not aware of the 'storm' that's yet to come and still happily living a luxurious lifestyle whereby most of their things are on credit. When they feel the pain with a greater increase in loan, first thing they hv to cut will be all these things. Then next, business affected and all..

Don't you see cafe coming up like sprouting beans? But these are just trends... that won't last long. Just like bubble tea and burger joints. People eventually get sick of all these. I, myself wouldn't be able to maintain such lifestyle. Have to 'lim' kopi at home. This is just a small increase in BLR, middle income ppl actually feels the most pain I guess. Salary tak naik...
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totally ignorance and try living in city lives with small salaries , Microsoft is retrenching workers, i thought many ppl in LYN say US economic has recovered one? guess again microsoft US is planing to cut jobs in thousands.. more working class suffer

http://www.thestar.com.my/Tech/Tech-News/2...-cuts-Thursday/
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 17 2014, 02:13 PM)
totally ignorance and try living in city lives with small salaries , Microsoft is retrenching workers, i thought many ppl in LYN say US economic has recovered one? guess again microsoft US is planing to cut jobs in thousands.. more working class suffer

http://www.thestar.com.my/Tech/Tech-News/2...-cuts-Thursday/
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Yea, felt that there's a lot of ignorant people around.
They don't feel it bcos they're living under their parent's roof. Or their other half is the one who's paying it.
I have friends who's like jobless and yet they can maintain such a lifestyle and don't feel a pinch. Girls that demands their bf to buy the latest handbags costing 4 figures, modify their car, when they're only earning like merely 3k monthly.
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Yea, felt that there's a lot of ignorant people around.
They don't feel it bcos they're living under their parent's roof. Or their other half is the one who's paying it.
I have friends who's like jobless and yet they can maintain such a lifestyle and don't feel a pinch. Girls that demands their bf to buy the latest handbags costing 4 figures, modify their car, when they're only earning like merely 3k monthly.
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sue credit cards, father mother money, future money and live on.. if bank can borrow, borrow more..
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QUOTE(princessgalaria @ Jul 17 2014, 02:05 PM)
Seriously, a lot of ppl is still not aware of the 'storm' that's yet to come and still happily living a luxurious lifestyle whereby most of their things are on credit. When they feel the pain with a greater increase in loan, first thing they hv to cut will be all these things. Then next, business affected and all..

Don't you see cafe coming up like sprouting beans? But these are just trends... that won't last long. Just like bubble tea and burger joints. People eventually get sick of all these. I, myself wouldn't be able to maintain such lifestyle. Have to 'lim' kopi at home. This is just a small increase in BLR, middle income ppl actually feels the most pain I guess. Salary tak naik...
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Most of this joint target for gen y and gen x...only them willing to spend money like no tomorrow and they are
the biggest consumer.
Sooner later when people no longer afford buy property they will shift the purchase to fancy car and spend more on lifestyle.Mentality for them is when u earn hard u must spend hard..no money then use credit card first
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jul 17 2014, 02:45 PM)
Most of this joint target for gen y and gen x...only them willing to spend money like no tomorrow and they are
the biggest consumer.
Sooner later when people no longer afford buy property they will shift the purchase to fancy car and spend more on lifestyle.Mentality for them is when u earn hard u must spend hard..no money then use credit card first
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Good la. This people will rent from us. Kekekeke laugh.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 17 2014, 02:13 PM)
totally ignorance and try living in city lives with small salaries , Microsoft is retrenching workers, i thought many ppl in LYN say US economic has recovered one? guess again microsoft US is planing to cut jobs in thousands.. more working class suffer

http://www.thestar.com.my/Tech/Tech-News/2...-cuts-Thursday/
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The job cut may have to do with Nokia issue, instead of US economy.

US economy is growing at 2~3% which is considered ok to robust pace
Payroll number show >200K job created last few months.
Jobless rate declining
Stock market at all time high.


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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jul 17 2014, 02:45 PM)
Most of this joint target for gen y and gen x...only them willing to spend money like no tomorrow and they are
the biggest consumer.
Sooner later when people no longer afford buy property they will shift the purchase to fancy car and spend more on lifestyle.Mentality for them is when u earn hard u must spend hard..no money then use credit card first
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you must be this category and mentality.... you dream bigger property investment..
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 17 2014, 02:52 PM)
The job cut may have to do with Nokia issue, instead of US economy.

US economy is growing at 2~3% which is considered ok to robust pace
Payroll number show >200K job created last few months.
Jobless rate declining
Stock market at all time high.
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Nokia do not contribute to US economy? Economy good = any job retrenchment? holding a lot of property market.. biggrin.gif

PC-maker Hewlett-Packard Co is in the midst of a radical three-to-five-year plan that will lop up to 50,000 of its 250,000 staff.

Chip maker Intel Corp and network equipment maker Cisco Systems Inc both said in the past year they are cutting around 5% of their staff

International Business Machines is undergoing a "workforce rebalancing," which analysts say could mean 13,000, or about 3% of its staff, being laid off or transferred to new owners as units are sold.

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Good la. This people will rent from us. Kekekeke  laugh.gif
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I foresee our future lifestyle will near European youngster.
They not keen on ownership and prefer to rent.
This is good news for homeowner
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+ 1
I foresee our future lifestyle will near European youngster.
They not keen on ownership and prefer to rent.
This is good news for homeowner
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that means holding.. credit locked.. new launches no credit to stretch..

capital gains is always the first prime choice than renting game... only failed investments will mostly revert to rental games..
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you must be this category and mentality.... you dream bigger property investment..
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Erm u r totally wrong..

I never spend on liability I only spend on asset..

I can't buy asset if I in that kind of category. They are my biggest client

I never fancy big car and luxury lifestyle but I not deny I often went pub for drink tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jul 17 2014, 02:45 PM)
Most of this joint target for gen y and gen x...only them willing to spend money like no tomorrow and they are
the biggest consumer.
Sooner later when people no longer afford buy property they will shift the purchase to fancy car and spend more on lifestyle.Mentality for them is when u earn hard u must spend hard..no money then use credit card first
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Sooner or later ah? Think now also a lot of the gen x cannot afford to buy a house dy. Unless FAMA sponsor. Some can still brag, "oh my parents gave me the house for free". That's why pigeon holes like studio in empire damansara can yield such return.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 17 2014, 03:00 PM)
that means holding.. credit locked.. new launches no credit to stretch..

capital gains is always the first prime choice than renting game... only failed investments will mostly revert to rental games..
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Capital appreciation always is the main reason...rental only to serve interest.
When I bough I will go long term as rental will be the plan to serve bank interest. Ultimate goal will be capital gain.
Will sell once good price and reuse the capital to reinvest. I never sell when I not foresee buying so tenant very important to me. Monopoly game, when u have 4 green u convert to 1 red ...but I still in amateur level la biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jul 17 2014, 03:02 PM)
Erm u r totally wrong..

I never spend on liability I only spend on asset..

I can't buy asset if I in that kind of category. They are my biggest client

I never fancy big car and luxury lifestyle but I not deny I often went pub for drink tongue.gif
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young blood is oozing... hope you walk ur talk ... property investment has become a trend lately by youngster under seniors/agents/other ppl who profited, youngster often think of express/easy/money making /fast money rather than working hard...

and then they are locked/bonded with debt at so tender age..
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QUOTE(princessgalaria @ Jul 17 2014, 03:04 PM)
Sooner or later ah? Think now also a lot of the gen x cannot afford to buy a house dy. Unless FAMA sponsor. Some can still brag, "oh my parents gave me the house for free". That's why pigeon holes like studio in empire damansara can yield such return.
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U see, now gen x and gen y actually is lack on financial wisdom...I won't say financial education because they are all well educated.
They will spend on liability and lifestyle instead of asset...if they buy house most of them is for lifestyle n not for investment. This u can witness why studio can sell at very high price because of the facility and the lifestyle that they can enjoy.
This spending habit is so much difference with baby boomer..because of globalisation it is easier to go from one place to another..so most of them now don't have sense of root which chinese value so much last time.

If look at they financial statement , all of them is unhealthy debt..major debt will be on car loan n credit card..
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Slight pain will be felt when subsidy rationalization kicks in coupled with several rounds of adjustment in BLR.
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jul 17 2014, 03:06 PM)
Capital appreciation always is the main reason...rental only to serve interest.
When I bough I will go long term as rental will be the plan to serve bank interest. Ultimate goal will be capital gain.
Will sell once good price and reuse the capital to reinvest. I never sell when I not foresee buying so tenant very important to me. Monopoly game, when u have 4 green u convert to 1 red ...but I still in amateur level la biggrin.gif
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provided people are willing to buy/paly the game.. buyers can see these tactic already...

rental i recalled cannot cover installments by 30% or more.. that is not inclusive of maintenance and etc..

does it sounds better to have:

"Oh cannot sell for capital appreciation, so what, can still rent what... same game here.. too high a rental, same effect no one rents expensive units"
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jul 17 2014, 03:14 PM)
U see, now gen x and gen y actually is lack on financial wisdom...I won't say financial education because they are all well educated.
They will spend on liability and lifestyle instead of asset...if they buy house most of them is for lifestyle n not for investment. This u can witness why studio can sell at very high price because of the facility and the lifestyle that they can enjoy. 
This spending habit is so much difference with baby boomer..because of globalisation it is easier to go from one place to another..so most of them now don't have sense of root which chinese value so much last time.

If look at they financial statement , all of them is unhealthy debt..major debt will be on car loan n credit card..
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they took advice mostly from seniors who fall out from college/property agents of which education background is very very .... haha
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jul 17 2014, 02:45 PM)
Most of this joint target for gen y and gen x...only them willing to spend money like no tomorrow and they are
the biggest consumer.
Sooner later when people no longer afford buy property they will shift the purchase to fancy car and spend more on lifestyle.Mentality for them is when u earn hard u must spend hard..no money then use credit card first
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ohmy.gif u r right...Myself always go lim kopi O teh O at kopi tiam n eat chap fan or chicken rise at kopi tiam type of shop lot restaurants....but when I bring my family out, always end up in those air con restaurants which need to pay many more...dont know am I grooming generation Z for the next 10 years??? laugh.gif

Yalor...now I often heard people said earn hard n spend hard...15 years ago I was in that category.....end up pocket kosong every month end....laugh.gif
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Slight pain will be felt when subsidy rationalization kicks in coupled with several rounds of adjustment in BLR.
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haiya this word and GST is feared by many... that means less money to spend or not enough money to spend in the public...
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 17 2014, 03:13 PM)
young blood is oozing... hope you walk ur talk ... property investment has become a trend lately by youngster under seniors/agents/other ppl who profited, youngster often think of express/easy/money making /fast money rather than working hard...

and then they are locked/bonded with debt at so tender age..
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For me debt is ok as long as good debt and have a safety margin..if too conservative u can't invest in property.

Bottom line I have property loan is better than heavy fancy car loan, that my principle.

My pa am not invest in property n leave nothing to me.. I invest to leave something to my children..but I will not give anything before I die tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jul 17 2014, 03:14 PM)
U see, now gen x and gen y actually is lack on financial wisdom...I won't say financial education because they are all well educated.
They will spend on liability and lifestyle instead of asset...if they buy house most of them is for lifestyle n not for investment. This u can witness why studio can sell at very high price because of the facility and the lifestyle that they can enjoy. 
This spending habit is so much difference with baby boomer..because of globalisation it is easier to go from one place to another..so most of them now don't have sense of root which chinese value so much last time.

If look at they financial statement , all of them is unhealthy debt..major debt will be on car loan n credit card..
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Haha last time babyboomers mana ada barang macam ni. Many of them didn't live through hard life due to inheritance from parents, but bare in mine that one day, these 'inheritance' will also deplete when the value of money drops and inflation rates where things bcome more expensive and worse is when they don't hv proper financial planning.

If there's a review, I would like to see the current credit card debts of Gen X and what's the justification behind to luxurious lifestyle. I owe too much money, at night cannot sleep one leh??
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 17 2014, 03:16 PM)
provided people are willing to buy/paly the game.. buyers can see these tactic already...

rental i recalled cannot cover installments by 30% or more.. that is not inclusive of maintenance and etc..

does it sounds better to have:

"Oh cannot sell for capital appreciation, so what, can still rent what... same game here.. too high a rental, same effect no one rents expensive units"
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 17 2014, 03:16 PM)
provided people are willing to buy/paly the game.. buyers can see these tactic already...

rental i recalled cannot cover installments by 30% or more.. that is not inclusive of maintenance and etc..

does it sounds better to have:

"Oh cannot sell for capital appreciation, so what, can still rent what... same game here.. too high a rental, same effect no one rents expensive units"
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As I say when u buy ,u don't go overload and safety margin..

I not deny your statement that some is low holding power...

But my advise is if u play property investment then U have to mean it business..IQ and EQ equally important..

Those fallout actually is not investor but is gambler..u have to differentiate these

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haiya this word and GST is feared by many... that means less money to spend or not enough money to spend in the public...
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I read in the news paper saying that GST ll lighten our burden...then why fear GST??? tongue.gif
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As I say when u buy ,u don't go overload and safety margin..

I not deny your statement that some is low holding power...

But my advise is if u play property investment the. U have to mean it business..IQ and EQ equally important..

Those fallout actually is not investor but is gambler..u have to differentiate these
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Yup...those gamblers is no different than those gamblers in genting casino. No pity them if they fall out...
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Yup...those gamblers is no different than those gamblers in genting casino. No pity them if they fall out...
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Many of this gambler. They will affect your house price. Actually the reason our house price went up is because of this gambler. So if it went down also because of this gambler. Damn!!!
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I read in the news paper saying that GST ll lighten our burden...then why fear GST??? tongue.gif
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Since steering lock also can make it to front page. They really have nothing else better to cover..
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I read in the news paper saying that GST ll lighten our burden...then why fear GST??? tongue.gif
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Many of this gambler. They will affect your house price. Actually the reason our house price went up is because of this gambler. So if it went down also because of this gambler. Damn!!!
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actually, gambler is ok... but lately the gambling out of hand.. like genting started to think for some small win 1k.. suddenly change plan want to win jackpot.. that is the problem..

first thought of small profit like 50k or less, suddenly change to retirement plan "200k to 300K" under professional advice like property agents... haizzzz
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ohmy.gif  u r right...Myself always go lim kopi O teh O at kopi tiam n eat chap fan or chicken rise at kopi tiam type of shop lot restaurants....but when I bring my family out, always end up in those air con restaurants which need to pay many more...dont know am I grooming generation Z for the next 10 years??? laugh.gif

Yalor...now I often heard people said earn hard n spend hard...15 years ago I was in that category.....end up pocket kosong every month end....laugh.gif
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Haha I not sure if provide a luxury lifestyle to children is good or bad.
My dad did not provide me much luxury end up I very motivated to achieve what I lack...
My relative quite rich retired old guy with many property end up son do nothing...anyway I also found no reason why his son need to work if have a loaded father.

I always remind myself don't treat my kid with luxury end up I always bought the best item I can afford to them.
Haha talk is easy but when come to own children seem I can't excuse myself from most of the parent do.
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Nowadays... papers say punya barang can believe one ah? tongue.gif
Since steering lock also can make it to front page. They really have nothing else better to cover..
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Then, why many DDD keep on upload articles published in the paper here??? tongue.gif
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Haha I not sure if provide a luxury lifestyle to children is good or bad.
My dad did not provide me much luxury end up I very motivated to achieve what I lack...
My relative quite rich retired old guy with many property end up son do nothing...anyway I also found no reason why his son need to work if have a loaded father.

I always remind myself don't treat my kid with luxury end up I always bought the best item I can afford to them.
Haha talk is easy but when come to own children seem I can't excuse myself from most of the parent do.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 17 2014, 03:44 PM)
actually, gambler is ok... but lately the gambling out of hand.. like genting started to think for some small win 1k.. suddenly change plan want to win jackpot.. that is the problem..

first thought of small profit like 50k or less, suddenly change to retirement plan "200k to 300K" under professional advice like property agents... haizzzz
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First u must learn no to be greedy unless u very loaded.

For me when time to sell is when your bank instalment left with 15 months of your reserve .always make sure up have more than 1 years reserve for instalment..start to rent out cheaper price so that your reserve can last longer..

Sell at minimal profit if reserve less than 10 months... Do t greedy coz selling proses can took very long.

Don't forget to pay your instalment...relation with bank very important..when borrow u pawn your credibility.
You can't go anywhere without credibility.

Be fierce when u confident and most important when u think u can , be safe than sorry when luck not on your side.


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First u must learn no to be greedy unless u very loaded.

For me when time to sell is when your bank instalment left with 15 months of your reserve .always make sure up have more than 1 years reserve for instalment..start to rent out cheaper price so that your reserve can last longer..

Sell at minimal profit if reserve less than 10 months... Do t greedy coz selling proses can took very long.

Don't forget to pay your instalment...relation with bank very important..when borrow u pawn your credibility.
You can't go anywhere without credibility.

Be fierce when u confident and most important when u think u can , be safe than sorry when luck not on your side.
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too late for the rest... developers now turn greedy than you all.. you buy from them, confirm no room to up price.. should have gamble gradually.. profit little bit by bit, now investors kill the game so early.. after developer become greedy
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Then, why many DDD keep on upload articles published in the paper here??? tongue.gif
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oh.. property market down is negative news.. no papers will want to post the same.. neither any sponsors want to do the same.. if property advertisement to sell of course big cover

you need read and pick carefully the papers.. actually wasting my time only.. jokers you trying to be funny... you know this all the while..
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oh.. property market down is negative news.. no papers will want to post the same.. neither any sponsors want to do the same.. if property advertisement to sell of course big cover

you need read and pick carefully the papers.. actually wasting my time only.. jokers you trying to be funny... you know this all the while..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 17 2014, 03:00 PM)
that means holding.. credit locked.. new launches no credit to stretch..

capital gains is always the first prime choice than renting game... only failed investments will mostly revert to rental games..
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Don't say like that , I purchased my property last year November 2013 ... I rented it out on January 2014 not because I fail my investment , just wash hand only.
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only most investors.. but not all

just i kepo ci.. rentals cannot cover installments right? or your type IS GRR?

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Nokia do not contribute to US economy? Economy good = any job retrenchment? holding a lot of property market.. biggrin.gif

PC-maker Hewlett-Packard Co is in the midst of a radical three-to-five-year plan that will lop up to 50,000 of its 250,000 staff. 

Chip maker Intel Corp and network equipment maker Cisco Systems Inc both said in the past year they are cutting around 5% of their staff

International Business Machines is undergoing a "workforce rebalancing," which analysts say could mean 13,000, or about 3% of its staff, being laid off or transferred to new owners as units are sold.
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Nokia is losing market share and not as dominant as last time.
PC maker market has been "eroded" by tablet.

The trend is changing.
Those early and adopt well in smartphone and tablet flourish, while conventional PC market that fail to take advantage of the smartphone/tablet/cloud services are left behind.

Even overall economy situation is good, there are job cut as well, due to
individual company/sector is not doing well
restructuring of the company
etc reason.

Now you hear the job cut a few thousand staff, ten of thousand staff, but when the corporate hiring back time, they do not announce big.
So we can't always conclude just there is news of job cut by MNC, then economy must be in doom and gloom.

Hiring, retrenching are part of cycle of employment situation.
We can't always read the bad news, while ignore the good data.
Situation may not as good but not as bad as well.

The analogy is like we have plane crash, car crash every year, every day, the label it is dangerous to ride a place and car because it can crash. smile.gif
Out of 1 plane crash there are 10 million plane landed safe.
Out of 1 company retrenching, there may be 100 other company hiring.

So in order to judge the overall, macro situation of economy, you take the total.

The overall job created >200k per month speaks all the economy situation.
The all time high stock market speaks how well the overall corporate profit is.


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Nokia is losing market share and not as dominant as last time.
PC maker market has been "eroded" by tablet.
this source is from MBA cherroy?

The trend is changing.
Those early and adopt well in smartphone and tablet flourish, while conventional PC market that fail to take advantage of the smartphone/tablet/cloud services are left behind.

Even overall economy situation is good, there are job cut as well, due to
individual company/sector is not doing well
restructuring of the company
etc reason.
like this no economic is bad.. better read up on "Overdose in US"
Now you hear the job cut a few thousand staff, ten of thousand staff, but when the corporate hiring back time, they do not announce big. why dont they announced? very shameful to take more man power?
So we can't always conclude just there is news of job cut by MNC, then economy must be in doom and gloom. are we going to conclude that economy is good then?

Hiring, retrenching are part of cycle of employment situation.
We can't always read the bad news, while ignore the good data.
Situation may not as good but not as bad as well.
like say nothing at all.. like property getting alot in Malaysia, but birth rates also catching up.. so to say oversupply , we are not coz we have not reach 30 million property yet..  so based on overall result property are still under supply.. that is why we need to built more and buy more.. but why government still impose restrictions on property? like RPGT, DIBS, foreigner consent.. I know the government and the public failed to see what cherroy sees.. or maybe government is itchy hand simply impose rules

The analogy is like we have plane crash, car crash every year, every day, the label it is dangerous to ride a place and car because it can crash.  smile.gif
Out of 1 plane crash there are 10 million plane landed safe.
Out of 1 company retrenching, there may be 100 other company hiring.

So in order to judge the overall, macro situation of economy, you take the total. yup GST is being implemented in all over world, we also heard news from gov GST is very beneficial.. based on most country implemented GST and government says it will lesser the burden, means overall GST effect is good in minimizing economy

The overall job created  >200k per month speaks all the economy situation.
The all time high stock market speaks how well the overall corporate profit is.
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wah very long speech... i bet the same situation/speech also been used before Lehman Brother collapse hor?

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oh.. property market down is negative news.. no papers will want to post the same.. neither any sponsors want to do the same.. if property advertisement to sell of course big cover

you need read and pick carefully the papers.. actually wasting my time only.. jokers you trying to be funny... you know this all the while..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 17 2014, 04:10 PM)
only most investors.. but not all

just i kepo ci.. rentals cannot cover installments right? or your type IS GRR?
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Not all GRR type can cover 100%. I survey , I book , I buy , I rent. DIY , sometimes u can't just look paper only.

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Not all GRR type can cover 100%. I survey , I book , I buy , I rent.  DIY , sometimes u can't just look paper only.

Well , now I send u 2 paper. Take a look , got my name on it to PREVENTING people say I steal photo. Hahaha
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meaning what? loan amount is 1,600 and the 1800 should be rentals lor? correct ah? like this untung leh.. project mana oh..
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meaning what? loan amount is 1,600 and the 1800 should be rentals lor? correct ah? like this untung leh.. project mana oh..
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Nokia is losing market share and not as dominant as last time.
PC maker market has been "eroded" by tablet.
this source is from MBA cherroy?

Even overall economy situation is good, there are job cut as well, due to
individual company/sector is not doing well
restructuring of the company
etc reason.
like this no economic is bad.. better read up on "Overdose in US"
Now you hear the job cut a few thousand staff, ten of thousand staff, but when the corporate hiring back time, they do not announce big. why dont they announced? very shameful to take more man power?
So we can't always conclude just there is news of job cut by MNC, then economy must be in doom and gloom. are we going to conclude that economy is good then?

So in order to judge the overall, macro situation of economy, you take the total. yup GST is being implemented in all over world, we also heard news from gov GST is very beneficial.. based on most country implemented GST and government says it will lesser the burden, means overall GST effect is good in minimizing economy

The overall job created  >200k per month speaks all the economy situation.
The all time high stock market speaks how well the overall corporate profit is.
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I have nothing to say, if one still needs source to know Nokia is losing market share and PC market is eroded by smartphone and tablet.

The job number >200k job created, already speaks all.
The stock market, DJ, S&P at all time high, as well as Dax, already tell us the story how the economy situation.
So don't need long winded typing.

The end for this chapter.
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wah very long speech... i bet the same situation/speech also been used before Lehman Brother collapse hor?
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You're totally not ready to buy n intentionally keep waiting.
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Bear bear! With this kind of mind set, this one will die, that one will not survive! That's why u missed to get the ascotte boulevard as u mentioned yesterday.
You're totally not ready to buy n intentionally keep waiting.
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Bear bear why not apply prima 1 home? I think some location not bad le
Facility wise also ok I think better than semenyih condo la
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Bear bear why not apply prima 1 home? I think some location not bad le
Facility wise also ok I think better than semenyih condo la
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bro mana layak... prima 1.. middle class.. oh

honestly, now at this injury time, what is the best investment plans? besides FD's?
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Prima not for middle class meh?

I see the future project location damm ok what..not low cost leh

Both u and ur gf apply,chances higher. For own stay is think ok what..

http://www.pr1ma.my/pr1ma_homes.php?lang=bm



If your salary above rm7500 ask ur boss adjust a bit so that u eligible la

The brickfield 1 very nice


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bro mana layak... prima 1.. middle class.. oh

honestly, now at this injury time, what is the best investment plans? besides FD's?
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Prima not for middle class meh?

I see the future project location damm ok what..not low cost leh

Both u and ur gf apply,chances higher. For own stay is think ok what..

http://www.pr1ma.my/pr1ma_homes.php?lang=bm
If your salary above rm7500 ask ur boss adjust a bit so that u eligible la

The brickfield 1 very nice
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These PR1MA houses don't know "Akan Datang" until when ler..
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Bro, with ur 4k+ posts, 12 posts a day, but stil undecided after so much analysis???

At least narrow down to few options n start to focus on the pros n cons of those options ma. If u can spend less time condemning the market, u might oledi find a way with ur targets.

No worries, there is stil 14 mths b4 Q4 2015. I can go hav Kopi susu with u n gai gai. Just buzz me on tat. icon_rolleyes.gif
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The part of Malaysian society that's going to be worst hit are the middle class - those that earn more than the minimum requirement to qualify for gov assistance like subsidies, PRIMA, etc, and yet don't earn enough like the rich to afford a comfortable lifestyle.

These folks are gonna be sandwiched in between and will need to tighten up their belts.
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Bro, with ur 4k+ posts, 12 posts a day, but stil undecided after so much analysis???

At least narrow down to few options n start to focus on the pros n cons of those options ma. If u can spend less time condemning the market, u might oledi find a way with ur targets.

No worries, there is stil 14 mths b4 Q4 2015. I can go hav Kopi susu with u n gai gai. Just buzz me on tat. icon_rolleyes.gif
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bro mana layak... prima 1.. middle class.. oh

honestly, now at this injury time, what is the best investment plans? besides FD's?
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With malaysia inflation rate vs FD rate, I think FD is not consider investment liao, more to give money to bank use tongue.gif
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bro mana layak... prima 1.. middle class.. oh

honestly, now at this injury time, what is the best investment plans? besides FD's?
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Yalor. Yalor. Bro bear bear not middle class. Bear bear in elite class. How can he asked u go buy Prima.....brows.gif
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jul 17 2014, 11:28 PM)
Bro, with ur 4k+ posts, 12 posts a day, but stil undecided after so much analysis???

At least narrow down to few options n start to focus on the pros n cons of those options ma. If u can spend less time condemning the market, u might oledi find a way with ur targets.

No worries, there is stil 14 mths b4 Q4 2015. I can go hav Kopi susu with u n gai gai. Just buzz me on tat. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Yalor. Yalor. Bro bear bear not middle class. Bear bear in elite class. How can he asked u go buy Prima.....brows.gif
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With malaysia inflation rate vs FD rate, I think FD is not consider investment liao, more to give money to bank use  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 17 2014, 04:15 PM)
Nokia is losing market share and not as dominant as last time.
PC maker market has been "eroded" by tablet.

The trend is changing.
Those early and adopt well in smartphone and tablet flourish, while conventional PC market that fail to take advantage of the smartphone/tablet/cloud services are left behind.

Even overall economy situation is good, there are job cut as well, due to
individual company/sector is not doing well
restructuring of the company
etc reason.

Now you hear the job cut a few thousand staff, ten of thousand staff, but when the corporate hiring back time, they do not announce big.
So we can't always conclude just there is news of job cut by MNC, then economy must be in doom and gloom.

Hiring, retrenching are part of cycle of employment situation.
We can't always read the bad news, while ignore the good data.
Situation may not as good but not as bad as well.

The analogy is like we have plane crash, car crash every year, every day, the label it is dangerous to ride a place and car because it can crash.  smile.gif
Out of 1 plane crash there are 10 million plane landed safe.
Out of 1 company retrenching, there may be 100 other company hiring.


So in order to judge the overall, macro situation of economy, you take the total.

The overall job created  >200k per month speaks all the economy situation.
The all time high stock market speaks how well the overall corporate profit is.
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oh man look at that.. just mention within few hours MAS plane got shoot down.. maybe consider changing examples to reflect economy theory.. scary man.. btw boarding any MAS planes lately?

btw, MAS is now officially going to bankrupt.. ermm.. will it now affect Malaysia economy? hmm I wonder now... every country also have these kind of tragedy, so not to say bad or good.. just fine perhaps?

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 18 2014, 11:41 PM)
oh man look at that.. just mention within few hours MAS plane got shoot down.. maybe consider changing examples to reflect economy theory..  scary man.. btw boarding any MAS planes lately?

btw, MAS is now officially going to bankrupt.. ermm.. will it now affect Malaysia economy? hmm I wonder now... every country also have these kind of tragedy, so not to say bad or good.. just fine perhaps?
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No worry la bro....we got Air Asia ma.....i m his fansi.

Actually i m AirAsia girls fans smile.gif smile.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 18 2014, 11:41 PM)
oh man look at that.. just mention within few hours MAS plane got shoot down.. maybe consider changing examples to reflect economy theory..  scary man.. btw boarding any MAS planes lately?

btw, MAS is now officially going to bankrupt.. ermm.. will it now affect Malaysia economy? hmm I wonder now... every country also have these kind of tragedy, so not to say bad or good.. just fine perhaps?
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Choi....dont say like that....I just booked MAS today for my next travel. Hope I can still give some contribution to prolong MAS life.........so that u all dont worry it ll affect our economy..tongue.gif
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Is there a second increase in OPR expected this year ?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 18 2014, 11:41 PM)
oh man look at that.. just mention within few hours MAS plane got shoot down.. maybe consider changing examples to reflect economy theory..  scary man.. btw boarding any MAS planes lately?

btw, MAS is now officially going to bankrupt.. ermm.. will it now affect Malaysia economy? hmm I wonder now... every country also have these kind of tragedy, so not to say bad or good.. just fine perhaps?
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MAS will not bankrupt just need to change management to get out of difficult time...even I never bought airline share before, out of national spirit I did bought some on Friday....
I think the share price will drop further but i not really mind as I just bought little only nia to show my support to malaysia carrier.., icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jul 19 2014, 06:09 PM)
MAS will not bankrupt just need to change management to get out of difficult time...even I never bought airline share before, out of national spirit I did bought some on Friday....
I think the share price will drop further but i not really mind as I just bought little only nia to show my support to malaysia carrier.., icon_rolleyes.gif
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U can go buy MAS ticket n donate to some poor students who need to travel esprcially for those East Malaysia route...
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jul 19 2014, 06:09 PM)
MAS will not bankrupt just need to change management to get out of difficult time...even I never bought airline share before, out of national spirit I did bought some on Friday....
I think the share price will drop further but i not really mind as I just bought little only nia to show my support to malaysia carrier.., icon_rolleyes.gif
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Wat price u bot?
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Plan to trade or hold for privatization?
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I just bought little to show support...I don't think price will go up nor I hope for privatisation.

Privatisation just will enrich crony. I think certain trading house target price is around 0.12... Still have long way to drop
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Malaysian economy got new boost from MH17.. boost downwards..


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Malaysian economy got new boost from MH17.. boost downwards..
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It's all depend on how u wanna live ur life lo. Whining is a waste of time
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So now blr increasing, uuu turn to flip share.
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FD rates also increased.

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or establish a patrol zone in each country using Jet figters.. like F22, Sukhois MKI 35, J-20, J-31..hahaha
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Tomolo great chansi to make big moolah in klci.

It's all depend on how u wanna live ur life lo. Whining is a waste of time
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drop 20 -30 points not more than 100 points.. now KLCI 1900 points, long way to drop till 800 points..
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So now blr increasing, uuu turn to flip share.
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drop 20 -30 points not more than 100 points.. now KLCI 1900 points, long way to drop till 800 points..
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I didnt know you also well verse in stock market ? hmm.gif


You didn't buy house ? then you save your money waiting to buy stock !


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bearbearwong,

I didnt know you also well verse in stock market ?  hmm.gif
You didn't buy house ? then you save your money waiting to buy stock !
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stocks there comoditioes are not my game, just BS a bit.. biggrin.gif
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stocks there comoditioes are not my game, just BS a bit.. biggrin.gif
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Juz sharing.....Since this BLR has increase.

What I do is, i reduce % saving to put in buying stock, instate allocate to housing loan repayment.

If you have bought a house regard for own stay or investment.

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Juz sharing.....Since this BLR has increase.

What I do is, i reduce % saving to put buy stock, instate allocate to housing loan repayment.

If you have bought a house regard for own stay or investment.
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QUOTE(frozenne @ Jul 21 2014, 12:07 AM)
received letter from Citibank,  installment adjusted from rm1860 to rm1910, takde rasa.

haven't received letter from other banks but only small increase anyway.
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drop 20 -30 points not more than 100 points.. now KLCI 1900 points, long way to drop till 800 points..
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Boss trading in stock tak yah tunggu crash la. Buy sell enuf to get pocket moolah Liao.

When crash it's time to pick up gd counters tat pay gd div in long run.

When u r waiting for 800, some counters oledi paying my luwak Liao la. I dun mind to share the luwak. When do u think u can giv facey to me. blush.gif
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to all hire purchase hehe OPR is going to affect you too.. wah after OPR effect on housing loans car loans also kena:

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...pact-car-loans/

haha what is next man? Personal loans? wow now no more "keluar masuk starbucks" , September another shock... Mas also shocked us..
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to all hire purchase hehe OPR is going to affect you too.. wah after OPR effect on housing loans car loans also kena:

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...pact-car-loans/

haha what is next man? Personal loans? wow now no more "keluar masuk starbucks" , September another shock... Mas also shocked us..
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Still got keluar masuk Starbucks, but now as part-time worker to earn RM6 per hr as 2nd job.

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For a RM1million loan @ 0.25% is only RM208 permonth.

like that already cannot stand ? ohmy.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 21 2014, 02:09 PM)
to all hire purchase hehe OPR is going to affect you too.. wah after OPR effect on housing loans car loans also kena:

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...pact-car-loans/

haha what is next man? Personal loans? wow now no more "keluar masuk starbucks" , September another shock... Mas also shocked us..
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But buying Mazda certain models still got to wait few months...no stock pula.

There is no impact lar....people still buying cars lar...the road still as jam before...I hope half the car owners car kena lelong n I can cruise in the city at anytime any day without much jam..tongue.gif but where to find such a hugh car park to store all those cars?

In 97, what I understand was the bank tarik balik so many cars from defaulters, end up got to find a big car park to park the car for lelong. Then, still not enough got to rent empty lands to park n employed lots of guards to jaga but still end up car spare parts kena curi. End up the bank lost more by tarik balik the cars. This time again, I dont think the bank ll repeat the same mistakes n they may allow more time n room to the borrowers....
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Still got keluar masuk Starbucks, but now as part-time worker to earn RM6 per hr as 2nd job.
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hmm.gif part time beggars keluar masuk starbucks n coffee bean??? laugh.gif
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For a RM1million loan @ 0.25% is only RM208 permonth.

like that already cannot stand ?  ohmy.gif
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They expect this 0.25% ll collapse the economy....laugh.gif
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new BLR maybank berapa? I got watch TV the other day said 6.80 but dunno which bank... anyone can advise?
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For a RM1million loan @ 0.25% is only RM208 permonth.

like that already cannot stand ?  ohmy.gif
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yup 25 points as of July.. an another 25 points by September..

after you pay extra, you don't want to increase rental meh? if you increase rental increase ngma ngam? or hike a little bit? say actual BLR effect RM300, you increase rental RM300? or RM600? 300 inside pocket 300 actually paid..

and remember, after you increase rental, the tenant swallow diam diam? or also increase each Chinese tea another RM10 CENTS? my area increase oh..

so the effect don't come from 1 angle.. it comes from various only on BLR alone..
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new BLR maybank berapa? I got watch TV the other day said 6.80 but dunno which bank... anyone can advise?
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6.85% as of July 2014
7.10 % as of September 2014
7.35% as of April 2015 (Gst effect)

cheers man, we downgrade from Starbucks to Chatime lor..
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But buying Mazda certain models still got to wait few months...no stock pula.

There is no impact lar....people still buying cars lar...the road still as jam before...I hope half the car owners car kena lelong n I can cruise in the city at anytime any day without much jam..tongue.gif but where to find such a hugh car park to store all those cars?

In 97, what I understand was the bank tarik balik so many cars from defaulters, end up got to find a big car park to park the car for lelong. Then, still not enough got to rent empty lands to park n employed lots of guards to jaga but still end up car spare parts kena curi. End up the bank lost more by tarik balik the cars. This time again, I dont think the bank ll repeat the same mistakes n they may allow more time n room to the borrowers....
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how much only got effect? i help you write letter to Bank negara propose 10% BLR baru got effet but you signed it and also named all loans under it? ok ah?
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how much only got effect? i help you write letter to Bank negara propose 10% BLR baru got effet but you signed it and also named all loans under it? ok ah?
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No need busy body lar....tongue.gif

am around xiamen university construction area now. Still finding where is actual site.....looking at vicinity what to invest? House? Hostel? Shop lots? If no hostel, rental game to the students may be is ok.. hmm.gif ..if blr goes to 10%, later the uni abandon, how leh...laugh.gif


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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 21 2014, 02:48 PM)
6.85% as of July 2014
7.10 % as of September 2014
7.35% as of April 2015 (Gst effect)

cheers man, we downgrade from Starbucks to Chatime lor..
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Wah chialat liao! why so high one? the other day I was paying only like 6.25% - 1.25% = 5% only... sei la like this...

no liao... change to buat sendiri dy... hehehehe thanks for the info bro thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 21 2014, 02:47 PM)
yup 25 points as of July.. an another 25 points by September..

after you pay extra, you don't want to increase rental meh? if you increase rental increase ngma ngam? or hike a little bit? say actual BLR effect RM300, you increase rental RM300? or RM600? 300 inside pocket 300 actually paid..

and remember, after you increase rental, the tenant swallow diam diam? or also increase each Chinese tea another RM10 CENTS? my area increase oh..

so the effect don't come from 1 angle.. it comes from various only on BLR alone..
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Hi bearbearwong,


It juz speculation ; dont need to throw panic button to everyone.

When happen; you wont any issue since you dont buy hse.

To increase or not BLR next september is BNM jobs....what we can do is spend less for consumer.

In the event of HAPPEN; get ready show off what you buy sure there alot cheap hse for you to buy.

Since i see your Concern ; i waiting your Action to show for other.








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hmm.gif part time beggars keluar masuk starbucks n coffee bean??? laugh.gif
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Haha, good idea...can "earn" way higher that the RM6 per hr as part-time worker... n U're your own "boss"...."work" only if U feel like "working".

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Wah chialat liao! why so high one? the other day I was paying only like 6.25% - 1.25% = 5% only... sei la like this...

no liao... change to buat sendiri dy... hehehehe thanks for the info bro  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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Buat sendiri ? U mean build your own house so no need to get housing loan and thus BLR increase no impact on U ?

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No need busy body lar....tongue.gif

am around xiamen university construction area now. Still finding where is actual site.....looking at vicinity what to invest? House? Hostel? Shop lots? If no hostel, rental game to the students may be is ok.. hmm.gif ..if blr goes to 10%, later the uni abandon, how leh...laugh.gif
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a piece of land freehold land agriculture.. 15 minutes to Xiamen University site.. selling share 10 acres out of 200 acres.. currently planted with oil plams

indicative price 550k per acre.. interested? no agents.. direct owner.. time to show how cash rich you are..

as far as I know Kota warisan very quiet one, new shops and MCD there..

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6.85% as of July 2014
7.10 % as of September 2014
7.35% as of April 2015 (Gst effect)

cheers man, we downgrade from Starbucks to Chatime lor..
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No need to panic, KLCI still in 1870.....
In order property to drop 30% may be u need wait KLCI drop to 800 point first brows.gif
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a piece of land freehold land agriculture.. 15 minutes to Xiamen University site.. selling share 10 acres out of 200 acres.. currently planted with oil plams

indicative price 550k per acre.. interested? no agents.. direct owner

as far as I know Kota warisan very quiet one, new shops and MCD there..
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Agricultural also need 550k ahh, wah then I got 1 fire sales at kalumpang near highware offer to me around 130k-150k per acre , I need to serious consider liao..somemore got young rubber three
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No need to panic, KLCI still in 1870.....
In order property to drop 30% may be u need wait KLCI drop to 800 point first  brows.gif
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800 points? no need, working class already disintegrated before reaching 800 points. 1500 points also many jumping
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Agricultural also need 550k ahh, wah then I got 1 fire sales at kalumpang near highware offer to me around 130k-150k per acre , I need to serious consider liao..somemore got young rubber three
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count like this die lor, Sepang is where? near Xiamen maa..

1 acre of land can built how many house? 1 house? or 20 house at least inclusive of roads? 1 pirce only 550k, you buy built 20 house, 19 times profit what are you waiting for?

sumroe already being marked as housing and development areas by Perancang Economy Selangor, just apply then got it housing development status.. non Malay reserve, Elite highway cut across..

sap sap sui lahh
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 21 2014, 03:53 PM)
count like this die lor, Sepang is where? near Xiamen maa..

1 acre of land can built how many house? 1 house? or 20 house at least inclusive of roads? 1 pirce only 550k, you buy built 20 house, 19 times profit what are you waiting for?

sumroe already being marked as housing and development areas by Perancang Economy Selangor, just apply then got it housing development status.. non Malay reserve, Elite highway cut across..

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U say agricultural land bro... I assume cannot convert to residential since u not mention convertable
If yes then u have to include the premium
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U say agricultural land bro... I assume cannot convert to residential since u not mention convertable
If yes then u have to include the premium
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oh ya hor never include premium as well, per acre

20 houses- 1 house (cost of land)- 3 houses (premium and other expenses incurred)- 2 houses (construction cost, agents cost and etc0= still 14 house maa

14 house, market rate busuk busuk 500k 1 BIJI DSL= 14 X 500k= 7 million (what else)

1 acre nett = 7 million profit nett
10 acre= 7 X 10 =70 million profit nett ( this time keluar masuk starbucks and buy the whole unit also can)
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 21 2014, 04:07 PM)
oh ya hor never include premium as well,  per acre

20 houses- 1 house (cost of land)- 3 houses (premium and other expenses incurred)- 2 houses (construction cost, agents cost and etc0= still 14 house maa

14 house, market rate busuk busuk 500k 1 BIJI DSL= 14 X 500k= 7 million (what else)

1 acre nett = 7 million profit nett
10 acre= 7 X 10 =70 million profit nett ( this time keluar masuk starbucks and buy the whole unit also can)
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Bear bear....u just taruh as u wish ah??? In sepang inside a palm oil estate, 1 DSL can sell 500k???? Market price now up or Down Down Down oh???? U keep telling down down down, now u turn to tell the world a DSL 500k one unit n can make 7 million profits by buying your land at sepang???? U r more buaya than agent lar....now only we see your real secret....laugh.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 21 2014, 03:53 PM)
count like this die lor, Sepang is where? near Xiamen maa..

1 acre of land can built how many house? 1 house? or 20 house at least inclusive of roads? 1 pirce only 550k, you buy built 20 house, 19 times profit what are you waiting for?

sumroe already being marked as housing and development areas by Perancang Economy Selangor, just apply then got it housing development status.. non Malay reserve, Elite highway cut across..

sap sap sui lahh
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Bear bear? U so pandai, why dont u develop that land? U can jv with any ah loong by prividing the land n let them come out with cash n built it. U take back 4 house is 2 million lor.....this mathematic, u dont know meh???

Sepang is in malaysia n not in china.....xiamen is in china. Xiamen university malaysia branch ll be built in malaysia. To be exact
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U say agricultural land bro... I assume cannot convert to residential since u not mention convertable
If yes then u have to include the premium
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Agricultural also need 550k ahh, wah then I got 1 fire sales at kalumpang near highware offer to me around 130k-150k per acre , I need to serious consider liao..somemore got young rubber three
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Bear bear? U so pandai, why dont u develop that land? U can jv with any ah loong by prividing the land n let them come out with cash n built it. U take back 4 house is 2 million lor.....this mathematic, u dont know meh???

Sepang is in malaysia n not in china.....xiamen is in china. Xiamen university malaysia branch ll be built in malaysia. To be exact
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dun skip the question first.. it is 10 minutes to kota warisan.. berapa they selling at kota warisan.. even 300k or 400k still profit kao kao.. so going to show us how cash rich you are?
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a piece of land freehold land agriculture.. 15 minutes to Xiamen University site.. selling share 10 acres out of 200 acres.. currently planted with oil plams

indicative price 550k per acre.. interested? no agents.. direct owner.. time to show how cash rich you are..

as far as I know Kota warisan very quiet one, new shops and MCD there..
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dun skip the question first.. it is 10 minutes to kota warisan.. berapa they selling at kota warisan.. even 300k or 400k still profit kao kao.. so going to show us how cash rich you are?
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Kota warisan is at the tepi of the main road. Your 10 acres is where? Can u prepare all the documents like grant, map, title, etc etc n pass to me. I ll show to some developers n check with them if they ll want to take the 10 acres or whole 200 acres. I can meet u to take the documents. Serious. Ok? Final price always can negotiate. Dont worry.

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Buat sendiri ? U mean build your own house so no need to get housing loan and thus BLR increase no impact on U ?
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Kota warisan is at the tepi of the main road. Your 10 acres is where? Can u prepare all the documents like grant, map, title, etc etc n pass to me. I ll show to some developers n check with them if they ll want to take the 10 acres or whole 200 acres. I can meet u to take the documents. Serious. Ok? Final price always can negotiate. Dont worry.
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10 acres no lar... 200 acres plus also no.. bro joking only see you steady for or not.. chill lahh. where i got so many lands... got i dun talk in LYN di..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 21 2014, 04:07 PM)
oh ya hor never include premium as well,  per acre

20 houses- 1 house (cost of land)- 3 houses (premium and other expenses incurred)- 2 houses (construction cost, agents cost and etc0= still 14 house maa

14 house, market rate busuk busuk 500k 1 BIJI DSL= 14 X 500k= 7 million (what else)

1 acre nett = 7 million profit nett
10 acre= 7 X 10 =70 million profit nett ( this time keluar masuk starbucks and buy the whole unit also can)
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out of sudden..you become developer...

You grow very fast rclxms.gif ....taking sterioid when cant buy a hse?
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10 acres no lar... 200 acres plus also no.. bro joking only see you steady for or not.. chill lahh. where i got so many lands... got i dun talk in LYN di..
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10 acres no lar... 200 acres plus also no.. bro joking only see you steady for or not.. chill lahh. where i got so many lands... got i dun talk in LYN di..
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I am not rich but I got the network with the rich. I still building my wealth and hopefully I can catch n board the train with the rich.....
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Bro....no need testing lar...u think we are those sour grapes meh....we talk as we share our experience with u. No those who hantam n criticize only.

I am not rich but I got the network with the rich. I still building my wealth and hopefully I can catch n board the train with the rich.....
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i worse lor.. i worker only.. you no need to work, taukeh..
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Aiyoh...I also a ta gung chai lar....I still need to work lar. MU is taukeh lar...I can only eat taugeh...laugh.gif

I told your to work hard n work smart...it is a way to escape from being poor. I see opportunities n I ll take every opportunities in. Like if u really have the land, it is an opportunity to turn into income...
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Aiyoh...I also a ta gung chai lar....I still need to work lar. MU is taukeh lar...I can only eat taugeh...laugh.gif

I told your to work hard n work smart...it is a way to escape from being poor. I see opportunities n I ll take every opportunities in. Like if u really have the land, it is an opportunity to turn into income...
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can work out anything or not? MKH long time ago offered.. but deal failed
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can work out anything or not? MKH long time ago offered.. but deal failed
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Anything is possible n u must try. Need to prepare all documents first n start talking to potential buyers n your asking price must be relistic lar...this is not buying a house...this is about a big piece of land. Can pm me if u r not comfortable.
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Bear bear is trying to sell his land at a huge marked up. He looking for fat 水鱼 ah...tongue.gif
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Bear bear new part time job is agent ma...
Bearbear go attend course first don't be half baked agent brows.gif
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Actually where is kalumpang??? Perak???
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I think somewhere in before slim river..location not so ulu
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I checked already. Next to hulu selangor.
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10 acres no lar... 200 acres plus also no.. bro joking only see you steady for or not.. chill lahh. where i got so many lands... got i dun talk in LYN di..
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Bear2, I know where is the land. Guess the title is under ur parent name. ;-)
If u hv indidual title, asking for rm550/arce still got chance, but with so many joint names then very difficult. U know why? Who want to pay rm5.5m CA$H AND TO SHARE TITLE with others...? If not mistaken, around 20-25 names in the title, right?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 21 2014, 04:27 PM)
dun skip the question first.. it is 10 minutes to kota warisan.. berapa they selling at kota warisan.. even 300k or 400k still profit kao kao.. so going to show us how cash rich you are?
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I wanna buy cheap land under market value , since OPR raised....
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Bear2, I know where is the land. Guess the title is under ur parent name. ;-)
If u hv indidual title, asking for rm550/arce still got chance, but with so many joint names then very difficult. U know why? Who want to pay rm5.5m CA$H AND TO SHARE TITLE  with others...?  If not mistaken, around 20-25 names in the title, right?
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wah.... how i wished my parents has it.. if on parents name also not mine lor.. if i got sure i huat di...

so big piece, need big developers to swallow.. 200 acres sap sap sui.. KIP Group China company many duit.. many project at sepang too
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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jul 21 2014, 06:17 PM)
Anything is possible n u must try. Need to prepare all documents first n start talking to potential buyers n your asking price must be relistic lar...this is not buying a house...this is about a big piece of land. Can pm me if u r not comfortable.
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MKH offered b4, older generation tink 1.5 or 2 biji DSL per acre..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 21 2014, 07:52 PM)
wah.... how i wished my parents has it.. if on parents name also not mine lor.. if i got sure i huat di...

so big piece, need big developers to swallow.. 200 acres sap sap sui.. KIP Group China company many duit.. many project at sepang too
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So far no human reached 200 years old. Eventually it be ur one. Unless ..... sorry la.... !
Not sure others also can survive beyond 100 years old... if someome alrdy bye2 ... the transction will get longer... hehehe!

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MKH offered b4, older generation tink 1.5 or 2 biji DSL per acre..
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People are talking 3/7 or 3.5/6.5... where got 1.5 or 2 biji one!
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People are talking 3/7 or 3.5/6.5... where got 1.5 or 2 biji one!
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i also heard one... older generations told one.. maybe belum lahir.. what is 3/7 or 3.5/6.5? if got such offer please PM share share bit..

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So far no human reached 200 years old. Eventually it be ur one. Unless ..... sorry la.... !
Not sure others also can survive beyond 100 years old... if someome alrdy bye2 ... the transction will get longer... hehehe!
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why 200 years old? aiya, state can use Land Acquisition Act working with developers, it depends on how desperate and demands... Ampang Taman Kosas area also Malai Reserve lor.. now all highrise non bumi lots condo & apartments.. demand so high till they degezatte the Malai Reserve ..

behind got Bandar Baru Salak Tinggi maa.. further up Taman Harmony Dengkil..


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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 21 2014, 08:20 PM)
why 200 years old? aiya, state can use Land Acquisition Act working with developers, it depends on how desperate and demands... Ampang Taman Kosas area also Malai Reserve lor.. now all highrise non bumi lots condo & apartments.. demand so high till they degezatte the Malai Reserve ..

behind got Bandar Baru Salak Tinggi maa.. further up Taman Harmony Dengkil..
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Ya...but to develop a big township, u need much more than that. Have u been to taman enstek? Have u seen the sime darby project there? If yes, then u tell how is to sell. Somemore u still say simply 300-400k. Nearby sungai pelek also....many dusun there..laugh.gif


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Ya...but to develop a big township, u need much more than that. Have u been to taman enstek? Have u seen the sime darby project there? If yes, then u tell how is to sell. Somemore u still say simply 300-400k. Nearby sungai pelek also....many dusun there..laugh.gif
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Enstek so deep.. it is behind that Sepang Land Office that junction, nearer to Nilai College & Bangi there.. i aslo doubt land there got any market.. wait mesa hill & Xiamen opens..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 21 2014, 08:20 PM)
why 200 years old? aiya, state can use Land Acquisition Act working with developers, it depends on how desperate and demands... Ampang Taman Kosas area also Malai Reserve lor.. now all highrise non bumi lots condo & apartments.. demand so high till they degezatte the Malai Reserve ..

behind got Bandar Baru Salak Tinggi maa.. further up Taman Harmony Dengkil..
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Aiyo! Mai ke si. I mean ur name will eventually appeared in the land title la.
I never say no demand there.. In order to get the best offer, put more efford to gather ALL OWNERS and pakat to sell together, which will be easy and can fetch better price. IMHO.
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Aiyo! Mai ke si. I mean ur name will eventually appeared in the land title la.
I never say no demand there.. In order to get the best offer, put more efford to gather ALL OWNERS and pakat to sell together, which will be easy and can fetch better price. IMHO.
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16 minutes to kota warisan
8 minute to Bandar Baru Salak TRinggi
13 minute to Nialai COllege
16 minute to University Islam ANtarabangsa
20 minutes to Bandar Seri Putra Bangi

but propertyu going to bubble.. use it to tanam oil plam better.. or factory storage..
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10 minutes to bukit unggul
16 minutes to kota warisan
8 minute to Bandar Baru Salak TRinggi
13 minute to Nialai COllege
16 minute to University Islam ANtarabangsa
20 minutes to Bandar Seri Putra Bangi

but propertyu going to bubble.. use it to tanam oil plam better.. or factory storage..
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Yay, finally bro bear time to show his buying power. Already predicted bubble and another one coming on September. Everyone is saving money. / expenses .

Hopefully u don't missed the last boat
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Yay, finally bro bear time to show his buying power. Already predicted bubble and another one coming on September. Everyone is saving money. / expenses .

Hopefully u don't missed the last boat
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10 minutes to bukit unggul
16 minutes to kota warisan
8 minute to Bandar Baru Salak TRinggi
13 minute to Nialai COllege
16 minute to University Islam ANtarabangsa
20 minutes to Bandar Seri Putra Bangi

but propertyu going to bubble.. use it to tanam oil plam better.. or factory storage..
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Told u i know the exact location lor!
This one won't go for lelong one. All orang kaya... no bank loan. Can wait and collect money from buah palm oil la!
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Yay, finally bro bear time to show his buying power. Already predicted bubble and another one coming on September. Everyone is saving money. / expenses .

Hopefully u don't missed the last boat
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bear2 is still young. Miss the coming boat, still can get on on other future boats too, no worries.

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Told u i know the exact location lor!
This one won't go for lelong one. All orang kaya... no bank loan.  Can wait and collect money from buah palm oil la!
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wah got or not.. nevertheless.. bubble coming.. property bubble..
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10 years ago...when I working as a clerk in auction firm.. I heard alot of investor is talking about bubble will burst when the time come.. that time will be a good time to buy property.... I remember that time... 300k can get a landed property around cheras, pj area...
then i wait and wait... until now... i never see any so call bubble will burst at anytime... and 300k now cannot even buy a condominium.
Now... without a million, there is no way to owe a landed property in KL area... not even in PJ neither..
Honestly do we still want to wait? wait until when? still wait for bubble burst?
and end of the day... u may not even owe a single property...
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Your explanation ll not be well accepted by those who are waiting as u r poking their dreams....people rather choose to believe in a myth than to accept the reality.
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good one...later their mouth will be full with bubbles...hahaa
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QUOTE(andyyaosmurf @ Jul 23 2014, 10:15 AM)
Thanks Tigerr... that the fact. Well, just assume those dream come true. and we look at the scenario during economic crises in Hong Kong during the time where property bubble burst.
During the economic crises, do you think we have cash to buy property during that time? Too many dream and waiting is not really worth lol.. and end of the day. you may not even owe a single property...
Honestly, now! if you manage to see property of your wish.. why wait... and my advise is don't wait... grab it..because the price keep on going up.
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We are so far away from a bubble.......
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QUOTE(andyyaosmurf @ Jul 23 2014, 09:43 AM)
10 years ago...when I working as a clerk in auction firm.. I heard alot of investor is talking about bubble will burst when the time come.. that time will be a good time to buy property.... I remember that time... 300k can get a landed property around cheras, pj area...
then i wait and wait... until now... i never see any so call bubble will burst at anytime... and 300k now cannot even buy a condominium.
Now... without a million, there is no way to owe a landed property in KL area... not even in PJ neither..
Honestly do we still want to wait? wait until when? still wait for bubble burst?
and end of the day... u may not even owe a single property...
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Well, that time RM300k is still reasonable that's why cannot drop. But since you say now landed is million, and its out of reach of mostly KV people, do you think it is not bubble?

So 10 years ago bubble no burst. And now inflating bigger for another 10 years. So what you think will happen when such bubble burst? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(juniortok @ Jul 23 2014, 11:25 AM)
If you look at the price to income ratio of asian cities, HK, Shanghai and Beijing are all in the high 20s or low 30s.  KL ratio? Only 9.35.....(Singapore 21, while JB is 13)

We are so far away from a bubble.......
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Wah don't la. Later got people shoot you comparing Malaysia with HK, Shanghai and Beijing. Hahaha...

Even Singapore 21, the house price is softening already. Cannot take it oredi.

With Malaysia sibeh lousy, sure worse liao. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 23 2014, 11:26 AM)
Well, that time RM300k is still reasonable that's why cannot drop. But since you say now landed is million, and its out of reach of mostly KV people, do you think it is not bubble?

So 10 years ago bubble no burst. And now inflating bigger for another 10 years. So what you think will happen when such bubble burst?  hmm.gif
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hmm.gif 1 million drop to 900k.....laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jul 23 2014, 11:29 AM)
hmm.gif 1 million drop to 900k.....laugh.gif
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Hey, it might be true. I mean landed is well sought after. RM100k is ok mah. Can pay lawyer fees.

Anyway, the drop will mainly come from Condo lor. But need to wait for 1 year until flipper no more cash flow because cannot rent out.

Then... kaboom!!! rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 23 2014, 11:28 AM)
Wah don't la. Later got people shoot you comparing Malaysia with HK, Shanghai and Beijing. Hahaha...

Even Singapore 21, the house price is softening already. Cannot take it oredi.

With Malaysia sibeh lousy, sure worse liao.  laugh.gif
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Softening is not bubble burst mah....price drop 5-10% is ok. Bubble burst means drop more than 20%, and result in foreclosure. In the case of HK in 1997/2003, it was close to 50% leh....

So, whats the big deal if property price drop 5-10%? Bank still won't call loan, people still won't panic.....just not making money
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QUOTE(juniortok @ Jul 23 2014, 11:39 AM)
Softening is not bubble burst mah....price drop 5-10% is ok.  Bubble burst means drop more than 20%, and result in foreclosure.  In the case of HK in 1997/2003, it was close to 50% leh....

So, whats the big deal if property price drop 5-10%? Bank still won't call loan, people still won't panic.....just not making money
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No big deal meh? Sad la. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 23 2014, 11:44 AM)
No big deal meh? Sad la.  laugh.gif
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Sad la. But I have seen worse before. When property got foreclose, that is really really sad......

Many of my HK friends are still reeling their wounds from the 2003 SARS..... its no joke when they say that many of them were thinking about committing suicide...

We are so lucky..at least I have never thought of committing suicide, I have only thought about murdering the guy doing the renovation...at least not me that is dying ma

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QUOTE(andyyaosmurf @ Jul 23 2014, 11:48 AM)
good point... agreed.... somehow do you really want bubble to happen???
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Bubble is there. Not whether you want it to happen or not. Its just matter of whether it will burst or deflating.

QUOTE(andyyaosmurf @ Jul 23 2014, 11:48 AM)
Than my suggestion is you wait until the bubble comes.. and that time the property worth more than a million you still cannot affort to owe it..
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Sure... I'm in the process of buying a linked bungalow. Already signed loan agreement.
For 2015, I'm going to buy another one when it crashed rclxms.gif rclxm9.gif

QUOTE(andyyaosmurf @ Jul 23 2014, 11:48 AM)
well.. as Malaysia is moving toward those country.. why not.. we compare...
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QUOTE(andyyaosmurf @ Jul 23 2014, 11:48 AM)
it is.. condo nowadays also cost Million per unit... sound like killing me... sell my body also cannot buy property... it seen like only rich man man manage to secure property..
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Can wait next year. Buy up all the flipper condo laugh.gif rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(juniortok @ Jul 23 2014, 11:49 AM)
Sad la.  But I have seen worse before.  When property got foreclose, that is really really sad......

Many of my HK friends are still reeling their wounds from the 2003 SARS..... its no joke when they say that many of them were thinking about committing suicide...

We are so lucky..at least I have never thought of committing suicide, I have only thought about murdering the guy doing the renovation...at least not me that is dying ma
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HK Housing price in 2003 SARS before collapsing is now same as KL/Penang/JB price.

SO when in 2015 the house price collapse, we can see many jump liao. rclxms.gif laugh.gif
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Why KLIBOR better? can elaborate? and how prime financing rate works?
Trying to understand.. i jst think maybe bank may absorb then rates will be still 4.4%. i remember last time bank absorb that why we see blr minus package...
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QUOTE(XperiaZ1C @ Jul 23 2014, 12:14 PM)
Why KLIBOR better? can elaborate? and how prime financing rate works?
Trying to understand.. i jst think maybe bank may absorb then rates will be still 4.4%. i remember last time bank absorb that why we see blr minus package...
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KLIBOR change rate every 3 months.

When it drop, we save money. When it rise, we lose money.

KLIBOR better because Banker said that KLIBOR most of the time is drop.

But do you believe banker?

Bank want to earn your money wei.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 23 2014, 12:15 PM)
KLIBOR change rate every 3 months.

When it drop, we save money. When it rise, we lose money.

KLIBOR better because Banker said that KLIBOR most of the time is drop.

But do you believe banker?

Bank want to earn your money wei.
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But now interest rate on a rising trend wo... possible another hike...

i just think so much competition... maybe bank will absorb 25bps hike to keep rate at 4.4%.

But so far no news yet... any loan agents taikor can advice?
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QUOTE(XperiaZ1C @ Jul 23 2014, 12:18 PM)
But now interest rate on a rising trend wo... possible another hike...

i just think so much competition... maybe bank will absorb 25bps hike to keep rate at 4.4%.

But so far no news yet... any loan agents taikor can advice?
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Yalar... KLIBOR good is only talk from Bank la.

And bank cannot absord 25bps because Bank Negara will kill the bank. Bank Negara want interest to rise la. If Bank absord, that means fighting with Bank Negara already.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 23 2014, 12:21 PM)
Yalar... KLIBOR good is only talk from Bank la.

And bank cannot absord 25bps because Bank Negara will kill the bank. Bank Negara want interest to rise la. If Bank absord, that means fighting with Bank Negara already.
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aiya... gov also say cannot give dibs la... many developers also give DISS wat...

How bnm can effectively control the banks not to absorb...

anyway i agree that bnm actually keep a close eyes... cos if the developers and bankers try to against to rules through lope holes and grey zone.. they will impose more rules...

do you all think investor-friendly era will end soon??
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QUOTE(andyyaosmurf @ Jul 23 2014, 12:27 PM)
somehow you have no choice.. cause by 2015, all bank will use KLIBOR as their new framework for us to applied home loan...
if it is good because it is more transparent and we can base on the KLIBOR rate we can  negotiate with the bank which is the best for us. and somemore BLR will replace by something PFR.... and this PFR will be quiet similar with KLIBOR also...
if u ask better, I still think KLIBOR>..
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yalar, more transparent. KLIBOR always change. Negotiate also no use.

QUOTE(XperiaZ1C @ Jul 23 2014, 12:31 PM)
aiya... gov also say cannot give dibs la... many developers also give DISS wat...

How bnm can effectively control the banks not to absorb...

anyway i agree that bnm actually keep a close eyes... cos if the developers and bankers try to against to rules through lope holes and grey zone.. they will impose more rules...

do you all think investor-friendly era will end soon??
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aiya, developer so many. How to control since DISS is so subtle.

But bank give discounted rate is so obvious to Bank Negara. Some more Bank got a few only. Easy to monitor.

Ending soon? Come on la. Investor friendly era already ended when 2013 ended. If you can't get loan, you can't invest.
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QUOTE(andyyaosmurf @ Jul 23 2014, 12:46 PM)
KLIBOR rate is fix.. but we can also negotiate with bank about K + 1% or 1.25% or etc... which is the rate that we can nego...  Although KLIBOR rate always change but it goes up steadily and will not increase over night.. like for example -Jul BLR immediately increased  0.25% after BNM announced that OPR had increase 25 basis point...but u can see KLIBOR didnot hike up so terrible like BLR....
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Yeap, KLIBOR rate always change (please correct urself).... and changes is small... but changes nevertheless....


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What is linked bungalow?
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 23 2014, 12:36 PM)
yalar, more transparent. KLIBOR always change. Negotiate also no use.
aiya, developer so many. How to control since DISS is so subtle.

But bank give discounted rate is so obvious to Bank Negara. Some more Bank got a few only. Easy to monitor.

Ending soon? Come on la. Investor friendly era already ended when 2013 ended. If you can't get loan, you can't invest.
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but buying spree does not seems to be dying down... still many ppl ballot for new projects...

i wonder come 2016 and 2017 when so many supplies coming in how the market will be..

shall i wait ?
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QUOTE(XperiaZ1C @ Jul 23 2014, 02:58 PM)
but buying spree does not seems to be dying down... still many ppl ballot for new projects...

i wonder come 2016 and 2017 when so many supplies coming in how the market will be..

shall i wait ?
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Buy or not buy depend on you. Because you will jump from 14th Floor if u didn't buy. But if you buy and later price crash, you will also jump from 14th Floor.

Buy you die.
Not buy also you die.

I think you better make your own decision because this concern life and death.

About the balloting for new project, those are just actors hired by company. Still many unsold units.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 23 2014, 03:01 PM)
Buy or not buy depend on you. Because you will jump from 14th Floor if u didn't buy. But if you buy and later price crash, you will also jump from 14th Floor.

Buy you die.
Not buy also you die.

I think you better make your own decision because this concern life and death.

About the balloting for new project, those are just actors hired by company. Still many unsold units.
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hmm... does it imply those stickers on the board are fake? shocking.gif
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QUOTE(andyyaosmurf @ Jul 23 2014, 03:02 PM)
Anyway it sound like good news about BLR will not increase another 25 basis point at september
http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.ph...3#axzz38GqZao3O
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Scared liao. Hahaha.. I think a lot of developer sounded at Bank Negara.
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QUOTE(XperiaZ1C @ Jul 23 2014, 03:03 PM)
hmm... does it imply those stickers on the board are fake?  shocking.gif
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We call it sticker game.

Two outcome from this:-
1) made by the developer to entice buyer to buy
2) 50% of the sticker loan got rejected
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 23 2014, 03:04 PM)
We call it sticker game.

Two outcome from this:-
1) made by the developer to entice buyer to buy
2) 50% of the sticker loan got rejected
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No wonder developers always preview preview or soft launch...

if so good take-up can fast fast sign s&p liao.. wait what...

correct me if i am wrong.. just started to observe the market sweat.gif



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QUOTE(XperiaZ1C @ Jul 23 2014, 03:09 PM)
No wonder developers always preview preview or soft launch...

if so good take-up can fast fast sign s&p liao.. wait what...

correct me if i am wrong.. just started to observe the market sweat.gif
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It was really good from 2011 to 2013. This year is total collapse for developer. Every development still got many units available.

Just choose the best one.
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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jul 23 2014, 11:29 AM)
hmm.gif 1 million drop to 900k.....laugh.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 23 2014, 03:01 PM)


Buy you die.
Not buy also you die.

I think you better make your own decision because this concern life and death.


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If like that, I think u better start go find the right size coffin as buy or dont buy,u still need the coffin....laugh.gif
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QUOTE(frozenne @ Jul 24 2014, 10:23 PM)
received letter from Stand Chart, installment adjusted from to RM2,460 to RM2,524

takde rasa too  cool.gif
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Your suffering has just started.....it will come thick and fast. If no effect no need to re-assure yourself what.
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QUOTE(kamilnu @ Jul 25 2014, 06:00 AM)
Your suffering has just started.....it will come thick and fast. If no effect no need to re-assure yourself what.
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What to do... Every investment be it property investment or any business investment will have its own risks, such as operation cost up every now and then. It depends on how well prepared you are to face the impact. Businesses also have loans, if every time there's interest rate increase and potentially causes major crisis, then a lot of businesses will close down. Don't think we are at such level.

For properties loan interest up, either you:
1. Transfer or share the additional cost with tenants.
2. Cut back on spending
3. Factor the interest rate increase into property selling price when you exit or cash out.

I think Malaysians generally are very resilient lot. We improvise and adapt to change. BLR increase, no problem, execute damage control plan.

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QUOTE(kamilnu @ Jul 25 2014, 06:00 AM)
Your suffering has just started.....it will come thick and fast. If no effect no need to re-assure yourself what.
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When GST comes, tnb tariff hikes, petrol subsidies cut, etc etc how? Shall we start to shop for coffins? The sufferings ll be more thicker n faster than that 0.25 basis points...
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QUOTE(kamilnu @ Jul 25 2014, 06:00 AM)
Your suffering has just started.....it will come thick and fast. If no effect no need to re-assure yourself what.
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U r referring to all of ppl or certain of ppl?😀😀
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In general, interest rate will slowly inch up over the next 12 - 18 months unless commercial banks are so generous that they are willing to absorb any increase in OPR without passing the burden to their customer base. Even if there is no hike in Sept meeting, interest rate will continue to increase over the next 12 months or so.
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QUOTE(LDP @ Jul 25 2014, 09:19 AM)
In general, interest rate will slowly inch up over the next 12 - 18 months unless commercial banks are so generous that they are willing to absorb any increase in OPR without passing the burden to their customer base. Even if there is no hike in Sept meeting, interest rate will continue to increase over the next 12 months or so.
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In another 5-6 months coming, salary also ll get increment lor. Bonus also ll arrive lor...may be got another BR1M too....laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jul 25 2014, 09:41 AM)
In another 5-6 months coming, salary also ll get increment lor. Bonus also ll arrive lor...may be got another BR1M too....laugh.gif
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I don't think so lor. Boss nowaday also headache coz everything naik. Rent naik. Semua naik. Luckily I still got increment. Hahaha...
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RHB didn't increase monthly repayment.
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QUOTE(LDP @ Jul 25 2014, 09:19 AM)
In general, interest rate will slowly inch up over the next 12 - 18 months unless commercial banks are so generous that they are willing to absorb any increase in OPR without passing the burden to their customer base. Even if there is no hike in Sept meeting, interest rate will continue to increase over the next 12 months or so.
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In general, rich ppl become richer, poor ppl become poorer
Too Kia c n too pandai Kira middle group oredy down grade to middle lower group. 😝😝

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QUOTE(petlu28 @ Jul 25 2014, 10:00 AM)
RHB didn't increase monthly repayment.
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Then they probably prolong your suffering. hhahahahahhahaha
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Yalor. I think those take loan from RHB also like this.

QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 25 2014, 10:08 AM)
Then they probably prolong your suffering. hhahahahahhahaha
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if took max 35 years still can prolong or not... ?
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QUOTE(katijar @ Jul 25 2014, 10:27 AM)
if took max 35 years still can prolong or not... ?
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Why not? Bank earn money. If you die oredi and cannot settle, ur kids will happily settle it. If not, the bank also happily lelong ur house.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 25 2014, 10:35 AM)
Why not? Bank earn money. If you die oredi and cannot settle, ur kids will happily settle it. If not, the bank also happily lelong ur house.
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The current increase of BLR may not have direct impact, but with more new units available, and if tenant is lost, it will not be just a mere increment of 25bps...
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The current increase of BLR may not have direct impact, but with more new units available, and if tenant is lost, it will not be just a mere increment of 25bps...
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It will be felt only after 3mths from now



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The Federal Gomen is losing money because they keep pumping the rakyat money to somewhere unnecessary... So they increase the place where they can save it for election only... look at how many promise they give and complete it? For example Pr1ma, they cannot even start even one of the Project now as they run out of money but the person run in there still receiving money without need to work... They have more talk than working on it... So we citizen always become a chicken of promises...
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QUOTE(danielmckey @ Jul 26 2014, 03:23 PM)
The Federal Gomen is losing money because they keep pumping the rakyat money to somewhere unnecessary... So they increase the place where they can save it for election only... look at how many promise they give and complete it? For example Pr1ma, they cannot even start even one of the Project now as they run out of money but the person run in there still receiving money without need to work... They have more talk than working on it... So we citizen always become a chicken of promises...
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PR1MA = talk only, no action. tongue.gif

They keep setting up booth to promote PR1MA housing, and keep updating the facebook with their agenda...
ended up nothing also.

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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Jul 25 2014, 03:01 PM)
And it is just base on "IF"
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Keep your finger crossed, so many IF has happened.... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(andyyaosmurf @ Jul 23 2014, 10:15 AM)
Thanks Tigerr... that the fact. Well, just assume those dream come true. and we look at the scenario during economic crises in Hong Kong during the time where property bubble burst.
During the economic crises, do you think we have cash to buy property during that time? Too many dream and waiting is not really worth lol.. and end of the day. you may not even owe a single property...
Honestly, now! if you manage to see property of your wish.. why wait... and my advise is don't wait... grab it..because the price keep on going up.
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sometimes we cant predict timing. but for the bubble to burst it takes time, and we are mentioning decades not just a few years. patience is still something that is very valuable.

when a buble burst, it's not gonna tell you exactly which year or month or even day lah. but when it happens, possibly many ppl wont even be aware of it until the retrenchment happens and the interests starts increase drastically. by the time people realize it, they wont be able to do anything including buying house. however, for those that already patiently have waited, then they can have a more stronger bargaining power.

but, in spite of all that, all our demands changes and demands here does not only refer to desire to buy property. there's so many things besides buying property. somehow, "a few" people here seems to be so kan cheong others dont buy and seems like they are even trying to portray a rosy picture about property to many ppl here, when sometimes to majority, property is just a tiny bit of their lives.
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jul 23 2014, 11:26 AM)
Well, that time RM300k is still reasonable that's why cannot drop. But since you say now landed is million, and its out of reach of mostly KV people, do you think it is not bubble?

So 10 years ago bubble no burst. And now inflating bigger for another 10 years. So what you think will happen when such bubble burst?  hmm.gif
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the most important point is the majority average people salary cant catch up with the "inflated prices" of the properties. This will take into consideration of the demand for the properties...some things, no matter what excuses being cooked up by developer, property agents or flippers....eventually people just see through it.

when you cant afford to buy it, when you feel it's not worth to buy it, when you feel it's overly priced, chances are...it is. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(cdspins @ Jul 26 2014, 10:46 PM)
Keep your finger crossed, so many IF has happened.... tongue.gif
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it has happened.. bancruptcy list and dafaulting loans NPL surge like hell.. forcing 3 banks popular with NPL to merge.. guess which 3? Hehe.. confidence is lost in property matket.. no matter how good the promotion by developers and how good interested party intends to potray property..

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QUOTE(Dern @ Jul 27 2014, 09:55 AM)
sometimes we cant predict timing. but for the bubble to burst it takes time, and we are mentioning decades not just a few years. patience is still something that is very valuable.

when a buble burst, it's not gonna tell you exactly which year or month or even day lah. but when it happens, possibly many ppl wont even be aware of it until the retrenchment happens and the interests starts increase drastically. by the time people realize it, they wont be able to do anything including buying house. however, for those that already patiently have waited, then they can have a more stronger bargaining power.

but, in spite of all that, all our demands changes and demands here does not only refer to desire to buy property. there's so many things besides buying property. somehow, "a few" people here seems to be so kan cheong others dont buy and seems like they are even trying to portray a rosy picture about property to many ppl here, when sometimes to majority, property is just a tiny bit of their lives.
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You can't. You need real buyer.
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You can't. You need real buyer.
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i thought normally they like to sell to staff, associates, vvip?...then left bones to public..


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i thought normally they like to sell to staff, associates, vvip?...then left bones to public..
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How many staff, associate and vvip they have? lol
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Big boys are investor, investor needs return...
If the returns ain't too promising or there is high risk, they will cut down.
I won't say they will not invest... but there will not be dumping their full force in.
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How many staff, associate and vvip they have? lol
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i thought normally they like to sell to staff, associates, vvip?...then left bones to public..
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More bones are out.. those group also dun dare buy di..developers getting greedy
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RM300k.. buy old flat in city area?
Nowdays.. most new property easily >500K - 700k++.

0.25% increased mean RM 250 extra per year for RM100k loan.

If take loan:

Rm500k - extra RM 1250 a year , mthly extra RM 104.16
RM600k - extra RM 1500 a year, mthly extra RM 125
RM700k - extra RM 1750 a year, mthly extra RM 145.83

Later if there another 0.25% interest raise,,, X 2 to the above amount....

QUOTE(andyyaosmurf @ Jul 31 2014, 12:12 PM)
Look at Singapore? GST is 7%,which is 1% higher than us; Singapore_Power tariff is higher than TnB, No petrol subsidies, and many etc etc... so all Singaporean should consider to start coffins shop already?

OPR increase 25 basis point only. I don't know understand why people so panic... My suggestion to you is.. don't panic listen to me first....

Base on the table I downloaded from imoney, with RM300k  loan with 30 year tenure. You only need to top up only RM44 interest rate every month after the BLR increased.
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QUOTE(andyyaosmurf @ Jul 31 2014, 12:12 PM)
Look at Singapore? GST is 7%,which is 1% higher than us; Singapore_Power tariff is higher than TnB, No petrol subsidies, and many etc etc... so all Singaporean should consider to start coffins shop already?

OPR increase 25 basis point only. I don't know understand why people so panic... My suggestion to you is.. don't panic listen to me first....

Base on the table I downloaded from imoney, with RM300k  loan with 30 year tenure. You only need to top up only RM44 interest rate every month after the BLR increased.
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i think you are noob, have you consider the Singapore salary?

and do you confirm the 25 points increase will only increase repayment solely? sure the owners wont increase rentals? the effect of this is multiple... you will get RM44 INCREASE from all angle of spending...

dude, read my dialouge
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Well said.. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 31 2014, 01:04 PM)
i think you are noob, have you consider the Singapore salary?

and do you confirm the 25 points increase will only increase repayment solely? sure the owners wont increase rentals? the effect of this is multiple... you will get RM44 INCREASE from all angle of spending...

dude, read my dialouge
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QUOTE(andyyaosmurf @ Jul 31 2014, 12:12 PM)
Look at Singapore? GST is 7%,which is 1% higher than us; Singapore_Power tariff is higher than TnB, No petrol subsidies, and many etc etc... so all Singaporean should consider to start coffins shop already?

OPR increase 25 basis point only. I don't know understand why people so panic... My suggestion to you is.. don't panic listen to me first....

Base on the table I downloaded from imoney, with RM300k  loan with 30 year tenure. You only need to top up only RM44 interest rate every month after the BLR increased.
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Dude, you think Singaporeans are getting the same kind of salary you're getting arr? We see the BLR trend, not just the bloody 0.25%. And the trend now is upwards. Another guy reassuring himself.
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Sien, don't compare MY with SG la.
SG has perfect transport system, higher % in CPF, lower rate of income tax.
Just that, government just wanna to control their housing price by increasing the BLR due to their land is small.. rclxub.gif

MY ppl are not panic.. but very stress only icon_question.gif


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QUOTE(viper88 @ Jul 31 2014, 01:02 PM)
RM300k.. buy old flat in city area?
Nowdays.. most new property easily >500K - 700k++.

0.25% increased mean RM 250 extra per year for RM100k loan.

If take loan:

Rm500k - extra RM 1250 a year , mthly extra RM 104.16
RM600k - extra RM 1500 a year, mthly extra RM 125
RM700k - extra RM 1750 a year, mthly extra RM 145.83

Later if there another 0.25% interest raise,,, X 2 to the above amount....
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RM1750 a year ! cry.gif
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another hike

http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business-ne...ys-analyst.html
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Dun sked us. Please.
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yes yes hike more... it is about time...wake up calls
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yes yes hike more... it is about time...wake up calls
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jul 27 2014, 10:13 AM)
it has happened.. bancruptcy list and dafaulting loans NPL surge like hell.. forcing 3 banks popular with NPL to merge.. guess which 3? Hehe.. confidence is lost in property matket.. no matter how good the promotion by developers and how good interested party intends to potray property..
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more info on this?
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BNM playing BBW's tunes.
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i think it is more the the market needs... which desperately need some correction back to its original and 'should be state" inflated prices are not healthy in economic practice does not reflect the real foundation/standing...
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more info on this?
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rumors only.. that one also heard from bank officers... CIMB is famous with NPL loan in fact too.. MBSB is bank for ALL just give any loans you want like last time Eon bank when Hong Long bank wanted to take over.. Eon bank giving loans like mad.. why? more loans means stronger then bank and selling price of shares higher..

haizz that was Eon bank.. more banks trailing especially those approving before DSR... 2 years ago when CIMB came to market with Jib bro come in.. CIMB last time promo only do 500k above loans.. public bank terus lose face.. Public bank what loans also do provided the borrowers record is good and steady.. old man business

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Just to report all my 4 outstanding loans instalment from 3 banks did not increase in amount. Maybe because I did not take maximum tenure, so the banks want to earn more interest from me. Let's see if there are any changes later this month
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If increase another 0.25% in Nov, total will be 0.5%
rm100k = rm 500 yrly, rm 41.66 mthly
rm500k = rm 2500 yrly, rm208.33 mthly
rm1million = rm5000 yrly, rm416.66 mthly

QUOTE(andyyaosmurf @ Aug 4 2014, 12:50 PM)
http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business-ne...securities.html
saying that November planning to increase another 0.50%, since there will have no increase on September...  so it will how much monthly/yearly extra need to pay for interest?

Anyway just would like to ask about KLIBOR? KLIBOR also increasing right? anyone expert manage to do a calculate to find out how much monthly extra $$ interest rate to be pay for KLIBOR home loan package,?
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Noob question.
My housing loan is auto deducted from my bank every month. I'm aware of the increase of BLR rate since last month which is supposed to take effect like immediately, but when I checked my loan amount deducted this month was still the same rates as per what I signed in the loan agreement BLR6.6- 2.4

I'm already taking a maximum tenure of 35years, kinda impossible that they still add on my years for the loan. As per maybank's announcement, they already follow Bank Negara's rules to increase BLR to 6.85 since mid July.

Or I'm supposed to wait for a letter from the bank giving some instructions or something perhaps? Anyone kind enough to explain? Thanks a lot.
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QUOTE(princessgalaria @ Aug 4 2014, 08:52 PM)
Noob question.
My housing loan is auto deducted from my bank every month. I'm aware of the increase of BLR rate since last month which is supposed to take effect like immediately, but when I checked my loan amount deducted this month was still the same rates as per what I signed in the loan agreement BLR6.6- 2.4

I'm already taking a maximum tenure of 35years, kinda impossible that they still add on my years for the loan. As per maybank's announcement, they already follow Bank Negara's rules to increase BLR to 6.85 since mid July.

Or I'm supposed to wait for a letter from the bank giving some instructions or something perhaps? Anyone kind enough to explain? Thanks a lot.
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ask BBW our DDD kor
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Due to the lock down period of 3 years semi flexi loan?
I read the whole loan agreement again, says my rates will follow BLR yawn.gif
Maybe I should go ask the person who got my loan from...
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If they didnot say anything.. keep quiet and don't do anything first...
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since the BLR is increased.... now wat is the best package banks can offer???

BLR-2.5% ???
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Thanks
Due to the lock down period of 3 years semi flexi loan?
I read the whole loan agreement again, says my rates will follow BLR  yawn.gif
Maybe I should go ask the person who got my loan from...
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Reference to my fren case, the bank has just started to adjust her loan payment starting this month. which is roughly RM100 extra per month
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QUOTE(princessgalaria @ Aug 5 2014, 10:52 AM)
Noob question.
My housing loan is auto deducted from my bank every month. I'm aware of the increase of BLR rate since last month which is supposed to take effect like immediately, but when I checked my loan amount deducted this month was still the same rates as per what I signed in the loan agreement BLR6.6- 2.4

I'm already taking a maximum tenure of 35years, kinda impossible that they still add on my years for the loan. As per maybank's announcement, they already follow Bank Negara's rules to increase BLR to 6.85 since mid July.

Or I'm supposed to wait for a letter from the bank giving some instructions or something perhaps? Anyone kind enough to explain? Thanks a lot.
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May be the bank has increased your monthly installment amount which you has not received the letter from the bank yet. However the adjusted amount may be just about a roti prata meal which is so small which you didn't feel there are adjustment at all...laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Aug 5 2014, 03:03 PM)
May be the bank has increased your monthly installment amount which you has not received the letter from the bank yet. However the adjusted amount may be just about a roti prata meal which is so small which you didn't feel there are adjustment at all...laugh.gif
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No la... I know how much I'm paying for each month lol. Me very the poor, little difference also I will realise geh...
I just starting to pay my 1st month loan then BLR go up, aiseh...

They belum increase that's why I was wondering... mine is an auto debit standing instruction every 1st of the month. They deducted the same amount on the loan agreement based on BLR 6.6% my loan at least about RM200 extra. cry.gif
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QUOTE(princessgalaria @ Aug 5 2014, 03:15 PM)
No la... I know how much I'm paying for each month lol. Me very the poor, little difference also I will realise geh...
I just starting to pay my 1st month loan then BLR go up, aiseh...

They belum increase that's why I was wondering... mine is an auto debit standing instruction every 1st of the month. They deducted the same amount on the loan agreement based on BLR 6.6% my loan at least about RM200 extra.  cry.gif
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It could be also they deduct the same amount but the interest portion increased while the portion to reduce your principal reduce n in another word, your tenure ll be longer but at the early stage plus your adjustment amount may be small, I guess the bank ll not afraid that to give u longer period a bit as blr later if revise down, it ll goes back to equalibrium.
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QUOTE(Tigerr @ Aug 5 2014, 03:46 PM)
It could be also they deduct the same amount but the interest portion increased while the portion to reduce your principal reduce n in another word, your tenure ll be longer but at the early stage plus your adjustment amount may be small, I guess the bank ll not afraid that to give u longer period a bit as blr later if revise down, it ll goes back to equalibrium.
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I see, thanks for the explanation. I thought there's a rule in Bank negara that 35years is sort of like maximum? correct me if I'm wrong..
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since the BLR is increased.... now wat is the best package banks can offer???

BLR-2.5% ???
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When OPR increase...BLR may not increase directly.
Bank also giving FD ; when their FD more than the loan interest..BANK not able to cover their FD obligation.


Bank take our saving or FD to lend out to consumer. The interest of loan alwasy greater the rate giving back for saving.




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Bank FD rates up already. I think 3.4% from cimb for 1 year lock in. My installment also up 93 rm for a 400+ k loan.
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wah, seriously? LOL, impossible that bank would miss out on any of these tongue.gif
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mb tenure is longer... already..
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Bank FD rates up already. I think 3.4% from cimb for 1 year lock in. My installment also up 93 rm for a 400+ k loan.
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this signifies bank are cash tight or there will be another round of OPR increase in September, in had gone viral.. with articles

http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business-ne...ys-analyst.html
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Aug 5 2014, 05:56 PM)
this signifies bank are cash tight or there will be another round of OPR increase in September, in had gone viral.. with articles

http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business-ne...ys-analyst.html
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When Bank out of CASH, they borrow among interbank to outcome shortage of cash in their bank.

and OPR increase not decide by Bank but BANK NEGARA.

the OPR increase/decrease mechanism determine by few key; one of them is inflation etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbank_lending_market


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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Aug 5 2014, 05:56 PM)
this signifies bank are cash tight or there will be another round of OPR increase in September, in had gone viral.. with articles

http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business-ne...ys-analyst.html
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Why can't you think it the other way round?
Bank wants to make more profit.
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QUOTE(supersound @ Aug 5 2014, 06:27 PM)
Why can't you think it the other way round?
Bank wants to make more profit.
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Maybe they wanted to control the household debt now, they might run into the risks if more and more people can't repay the loan given.
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Why can't you think it the other way round?
Bank wants to make more profit.
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So do you think this is more likely the reason for increase? Dunno about you... august di.. repayment should be due soon...or already pass
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Interesting, although that analyst is expecting a 25bps hike, the market on the other hand is actually expecting no more hikes for this year.

Let's see how it turns out.
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Just a footnote, for those who are currently attached with loans, kindly check if your loan installment has been revised or still same.

This is because you might end up paying less principal to compensate for the interest portion therefore increasing your proposed tenure slightly.

Unless you are the flexi type utilizer then you will not be affected.
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received letter notice need to pay more coming month.
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received letter notice need to pay more coming month.
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CIMB bank one... rclxms.gif

they need money... flex.gif
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CIMB bank one...  rclxms.gif

they need money... flex.gif
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No is H
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ONG Leong bank?
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