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ayanami_tard
post Feb 2 2014, 02:22 AM

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ever since china has becoming a big douche nowadays,i've ruled out their product liao

unless small weapon system ("small" being "tactical-level". manpads, ATGM, armored patrol vehicle, etc),then i dun mind

at operational or strategic level (fighter aircraft, MBTs, medium to long range SAM), better find elsewhere
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post Feb 2 2014, 02:57 AM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Feb 2 2014, 02:22 AM)
ever since china has becoming a big douche nowadays,i've ruled out their product liao
unless small weapon system ("small" being "tactical-level". manpads, ATGM, armored patrol vehicle, etc),then i dun mind
at operational or strategic level (fighter aircraft, MBTs, medium to long range SAM), better find elsewhere
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Maybe shud looks at our enemy's enemy

Taiwan Sky Bow
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Co-delevoped with US, the radar is comparable to PAC-3 version

S.Korea KM-SAM
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Looks like S-300 but close, they co-develop this with the russians

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KYPMbangi
post Feb 2 2014, 05:14 AM

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Searching New Home for 13,000 MRAPs

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While pentagon planners are hoping to save money by scrapping thousands of mine resistant armor protected
(MRAP) vehicles bought only few years ago for over US$25 billions, defense contractors could bear heavy losses
if those vehicles are not maintained in operational use somewhere around the world. Wall Street Journal Robert Tita
reports that the Pentagon plans of scrapping 13,000 Used MRAPs would cut into replacement-parts business at Navistar,
Oshkosh and BAE.

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The Army, Marine Corps and other services intend to keep about 11,000 MRAPs. About 6,500 trucks are still being
used in Afghanistan, but the bulk of those will return stateside by the time the U.S. military withdrawal is completed
late this year. About 6,000 trucks—many of them, older models used in Iraq—already have been returned to the U.S.,
Another 1,600 or so are in Kuwait. Many of these vehicles will be scrapped, if new users aren’t found.

The Pentagon wants to give away 13,000 MRAPs “We’ve notified our friends and allies that we have MRAPs available
and if they want them they can have them,”
Alan Estevez, deputy undersecretary of defense for acquisitions, technology
and logistics said. Interest from foreign militaries has been tepid as these ultra-heavy vehicles that have operated in
Afghanistan have been worn out by the harsh terrain.


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This ex-military Caiman MRAP will be used to transport Fort Lee SWAT teams.
Local police bought the vehicle from the U.S. Department of Defense for just $2,000.

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Cheap used MRAPs anyone?
USD2k only per piece!
SUSking of fighter
post Feb 2 2014, 08:05 AM

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pasal sistem peluru berpandu.. kata la Malaysia kata hendak beli dari Russia, tentera darat Malaysia akan dapat buat latihan bersama tentera russia di tempat bersalji macam di Sochi tu tak??

dahsyat gak tengok skill budak-budak Russia


tempat bersalji yang amat mengerikan di Russia


dalam sekelip mata sahaja Russia ubah ia jadi tempat untuk lawan sukan olimpik ohmy.gif


benda yang paling bagus, latihan di tempat bersalji ni ialah ia akan ajar manusia cara untuk jadi amat stabil..
sebab tu banyak pelumba terbaik di dunia ni terutamanya dari sukan rally banyak dari tempat bersalji seperti finland, manakala Russia pula perisik diaorang banyak kali lepas ujian polygraph USA

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post Feb 2 2014, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 1 2014, 08:16 PM)
problem with US is to get parts is alot of paperworks even though the parts is available
Alot of background check and alot of WHY WHAT HOW etc? doh.gif

europian? Nak kasi duit, here you go whistling.gif
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azriel
post Feb 2 2014, 01:18 PM

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Going, Going, Gone

Marhalim Abas February 2, 2014 budget, Malaysian Army

SHAH ALAM: Before I go further, let me wish a Happy Lunar New Year to all those celebrating. Anyhow, I initially thought I will be hunkering down for the holidays and there was no need to update the site. But then came the reports that Malaysia was buying the Airbus Helicopters Tiger attack helicopter.

With various readers asking me about the report, despite the answers I gave in the comments section, I believed I need to respond to the questions in a separate post.

The original story about the Tiger came from the French defence magazine Air-Cosmos website. As the story was in French, I had to use Google Translate to read it.

The story was basically headlined “When Will Malaysia Signed the Contract for Tiger HAP?”. In short, it stated that Malaysia had asked for six Tiger helicopters to be delivered in early 2014. However, despite readying six Tiger HAP (support protection) from the stocks of the French Army Light Aviation (ALAT) there was no word when the contract will be signed. Nonetheless, the report said that Airbus Helicopters was confident that the project will continue in the near future as Malaysia was a good customer for its products.

Reading the story, I immediately understood what was reported – we gave an RFP and they responded. However, we have not followed up with a contract and therefore the project was pending.

As I had responded in the comments, the project will not proceed as no money was made available for it as I had mentioned previously in my review of the 2014 budget. Yes, I had posted stories on RMN and RMAF following the announcement of the budget but had not done so for the Army.

It is not for the lack of trying but for the lack of material. Like his predecessors, Army Chief Jen Datuk Raja Mohamed Affandi Raja Mohamed Noor is reticent to talk about specific platforms. When met two weeks back, Raja Mohamed Affandi said “No” three times to all of my questions regarding the 2014 budget. On why, he answered: “Tiada Fulus (No Money).

Following the publication of the Air-Cosmos story, I checked again with Jen Raja Mohamed Affandi and again he replied in the negative.

Anyhow, the word is that the decision to delay the Tiger project may now be tied to the the Marines Corps programme. On Jan 14, Defence Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein was reported as saying that Malaysia was mulling the idea of adopting the United States’ marines military model to further strengthen the Armed Forces maritime capacity. He said the ministry had invited United States maritime warfare experts to Malaysia to discuss the matter.

With US Marines working with the Armed Forces to formulate a military model for the Marine Corps, do you really think they will favour the Tiger? Yes, we will have a lot of say on the equipment specified for the new corps, my best guess is that the Tiger will not be in it.


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post Feb 2 2014, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Feb 1 2014, 11:37 PM)
SAM alot cost to maintenance specially super expensive batteries pack cost USD 150 million per-set for each S300 missile system. have to charge every week.
S400 not allow export yet, event allow to export, our cant afford it, cost each set S300 missile system around usd 500 million with maintenance, and buy 1 ~2 set S300/400 with 12~16 missile each set not really help much. just small matter for china missile power.

Anyway our gov also looking on china missile defense system, from KS-1 event now HQ-16 missile system. cost is main factor.
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China will never sell us their air defence system, we will surely use it against them one day.
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post Feb 2 2014, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Feb 1 2014, 05:52 PM)
so is Mi-17, crashed mainly bcoz of technical issues..
i dun like blackhawk anyway

a quote from Georgia's Mindef which decided to change all russian helos in their arsenals to American utility helos
>>Defence Minister explained the reason for replacement of the Soviet helicopter fleet by the U.S. ones. "It is very expensive to maintain the Soviet helicopters. Procurement of the spare parts is problematic and in most cases it is practically impossible to get this service without corruption deals. Considering all the above-mentioned facts we took a hard but right and logical decision," declared Irakli Alasania."
sos

do Vietnam and Cambodia produce the spare parts? no

our air force will pick M-17V if there is no issue, but they didn't..and i believe there are strong reasons for why they didn't pick Mi-17..and choose more expensive Eurocopter..
it is normal for helicopter to crash, but would u pick a car that have more bad safety records than pick another car that's a bit expensive but rather better safety record?
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Our Bomba has chosen the Mi-17 as their fire helicopters. As of now, they have no problem with maintenance.
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post Feb 2 2014, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(Dharma123 @ Feb 2 2014, 01:44 PM)
Our Bomba has chosen the Mi-17 as their fire helicopters. As of now, they have no problem with maintenance.
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they only have a few and how do u know they dun have any problem?
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Even the Indian AirForce who operates a large fleet of Russian airplanes are turning to USA due to problems of getting spare parts.

IAF is getting C17, Apache and Chinook.

The IAF MRCA still hangs in the balance.

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waja2000
post Feb 2 2014, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(Dharma123 @ Feb 2 2014, 01:41 PM)
China will never sell us their air defence system, we will surely use it against them one day.
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we already used china FN-6, also consider as Air Defence system, and lastime we already agree to buy China KS-1 SAM, just no money place order, china no problem sales to as all defence equipment in there export defense list. event many time our top military guy got invite to china to see military product and demonstration. include jet, ship etc.... no be surprise one day our country more and more using china hardware.

one more think our country no ability to again china in military or economic, event all asean country.

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QUOTE(Dharma123 @ Feb 2 2014, 01:41 PM)
China will never sell us their air defence system, we will surely use it against them one day.
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they already offered to sell to us their advanced weapon systems..
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QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Feb 1 2014, 07:19 PM)
RMAF had a bad time with getting spare parts for our Migs, even parts for our Suks is from China.

Russian stuff might be cheaper up front, but very poor after sales service support which makes it expensive in the long run.
At least with the americans/europeans service level is there even though up-front it's expensive.
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Parts for MIG?
Airod happen, that why have a bad time to get parts

Some hard parts are from China, while the most parts are from India
until the Sukhoi Manufactured facilities at Perak is complete, the parts are taken from that 2 country!

QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Feb 2 2014, 05:14 AM)
Searching New Home for 13,000 MRAPs
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Cheap used MRAPs anyone?
USD2k only per piece!
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tak praktical la ni, tak balance lak tu

QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Feb 2 2014, 11:30 AM)
the french are most famous for "ada $, no questions asked".
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remind me of the falkland war, tongue.gif
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PAK FA stealth features patent published



Piotr Butowski, Poland - IHS Jane's International Defence Review

09 January 2014



Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA 5th Prototype (055)


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The PAK FA's designers have paid close attention to stealthy features, which include the use of radar-absorbent coatings on the reverse of the nose-mounted IRST, the widespread use of baffles and the use of absorbent coatings in the air intakes and at the junctions between moving surfaces.



Details of the Sukhoi Design Bureau's work on the stealthy aspects of the T-50 PAK FA fighter aircraft emerged in late December 2013, when the company's patents were published.

According to the patent paperwork, taken together, all of the stealthy measures offer significant improvements over legacy fighter designs. The papers claim that the radar cross-section (RCS) of an Su-27 was in the order of 10-15 m 2 , with the intention being to reduce the size of the RCS in the T-50 to an " average figure of 0.1-1 m 2 " .

In common with other low observable aircraft designs, this reduction is achieved throught the use of radar-absorbing and radar-shielding materials and coatings, panel shaping (especially around the air intakes) and in the design of the junctions between moving elements, such as flaps and hatches.

In particular, the patent spells out the benefits of internal weapons carriage, s-shaped engine air ducts, (which were considered but are actually not implemented in the production PAK FA), and the use of radar blockers. It adds that the inlet guide vanes of the engines' compressors generate "a significant portion [up to 60%] of the radar cross-section of the airframe-powerplant system in the forward hemisphere" and that this is reduced by using radar-blocking devices and radar-absorbing coatings in the walls of the air ducts.

The shape of the airframe reduces the number of directions that radar signals are reflected in with the angles of sweep of the wings and the tail plane's leading and trailing edges, the edges of the air intakes and hatch covers being reduced and deflected from the aircraft's axis. Viewing the aircraft from the flank, the fuselage sides, lateral edges of the air intakes and vertical empennage are all deflected at the same angle.

Some openings and slots on the airframe's surface - such as the boundary-layer bleeds on the sides of the air intakes and the openings on the upper fuselage immediately aft of the cockpit - are covered with a thick grid, featuring a mesh of less than one quarter of the wavelength of a search radar, which reduces the reflections from these uneven surfaces. Gaps between the airframe elements are filled with conducting sealants, while the glazing of the cockpit canopy is metallised.

The surfaces of the PAK FA's own five radar arrays are also angled off from the vertical plane, helping to ' deflect ' enemy radar signals. The covers of the radar arrays are selective, letting through their own signals, but blocking other frequencies. Additionally, the array compartments are edged with radar-absorbing ' curtains ' to reduce possible leaks of these amplified signals.

Antennas are recessed from the surface of the skin to reduce protuberances (the vertical empennage serves as a communications antenna), while the turret of the aircraft's nose-mounted infrared search-and-track (IRST) sight is rotated backwards into a cruise position, exposing its rear hemisphere, which is covered with a radar-absorbing coating.

The release of this list of patents follows the July 2013 release of documentation covering the configuration of the fighter's integrated avionics suite.

There are currently five T-50 prototypes - the latest, T-50-5, first flew on 27 October 2013 - supporting the development programme and they are believed to have undertaken over 300 sorties to date.

In the ' Schedule of Activity for the Russian Ministry of Defence for 2013 to 2020 ' published in mid-2013, the PAK FA's Initial Operational Capability and the launch of full-scale series production is scheduled for 31 December 2016. The Russian National Armament Programme stipulates that 60 production PAK FA fighters will be delivered between 2016 and 2020.

The assembly of aircraft T-50-6-1 is nearing completion and three further aircraft (T-50-6-2, T-50-7 and T-50-8) are in build. One of the T-50-6 aircraft is intended for static trials and the other one is intended for flight testing.



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TAI T-FX



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Milli Muharip Ucak Kavramsal Tasarim Projesi


Jet Trainer and Fighter Aircraft Conceptual Design Project


At the Defense Industry Executive Committee on December 15th 2010; it has been decided to start contract negotiations with TAI in order to implement the conceptual design activities for Jet Trainer and Fighter Aircraft to the requirements of Turkish Air Force’s (TurAF) for 2020’s.

On August 23rd 2011 the contract has been signed between The Undersecretariat for the Defense Industry (SSM) and TAI and the project has been initiated on September 29th 2011.
For a period of 2 years, based on the Turkish Air Force’s Jet Trainer and Fighter Aircaft requirements the following activities will be studied:

- Determining TurAF future Operational Requirements
- Requirement analysis studies
- Conceptual design of the aircraft and systems
- Researching the National Capacity and Capabilities.
- International Corporation models

At the end of the contract, the schedule and the budget of the development program will be estimated and submitted to SSM and TurAF for the further decisions.



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hello /k/omrades cool2.gif

can tell where to get latest military infos? like news and new military stuff cool2.gif

salute bros
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post Feb 4 2014, 07:56 PM

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http://defensetech.org/2010/05/21/quality-.../#ixzz2sFb9FcIY

china made stuff,eh?

i tot we also bought Su-30 spares from them ?
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QUOTE(cunnilinguist @ Feb 4 2014, 06:54 PM)
hello /k/omrades  cool2.gif

can tell where to get latest military infos? like news and new military stuff  cool2.gif

salute bros
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haloo
first page would give you idea
tough rentaka.weebly.com is a good start
it is more on news and update rather just article and discussion!

QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Feb 4 2014, 08:01 PM)
http://defensetech.org/2010/05/21/quality-.../#ixzz2sFb9FcIY

china made stuff,eh?

i tot we also bought Su-30 spares from them ?
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Only the parts that are not available from india
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Feb 4 2014, 08:29 PM)
haloo
first page would give you idea
tough rentaka.weebly.com is a good start
it is more on news and update rather just article and discussion!
Only the parts that are not available from india
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brader june ade event x? :3
x sabar nie

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