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petlu28
post Jul 11 2014, 11:19 AM

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ON Econavi still can adjust speed? hmm.gif hmm.gif

QUOTE(sovietmah @ Jul 11 2014, 09:39 AM)
If possible try to get econavi feature,
I noticed that the econavi help me save lot of money on my tnb bill.
it will auto adjust the temperature celcius when no ppl inside the room (eg: u on aircon but u went to kitchen or bathroom for a while), and as well as when you are sleeping (no movement).

17x10 ft room i ON the 2.0HP inverter aircon 11PM->7AM 25C speed 3/5, only use up to 4KW of electricity for this period (include other stuff like 600L inverter fridge, 24/7 water boiler, autogate / alarm system / 3 cctv and about 40W lighting.
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post Jul 11 2014, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(petlu28 @ Jul 11 2014, 11:19 AM)
ON Econavi still can adjust speed?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Yes. Econavi still can adjust the split unit fan speed and swing top and bottom also can adjust.
the only thg you can't adjust is the left-right swing. The econavi will adjust temperature +2 automatically based on situation.

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post Jul 11 2014, 11:37 AM

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Ok. Normally i let speed & swing auto.

QUOTE(sovietmah @ Jul 11 2014, 11:27 AM)
Yes. Econavi still can adjust the split unit fan speed and swing top and bottom also can adjust.
the only thg you can't adjust is the left-right swing. The econavi will adjust temperature +2 automatically based on situation.
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post Jul 11 2014, 05:50 PM

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Guys I'm thinking of getting an inverter based air cond for my room as I will be using it quite frequently and a non inverter for my living room due to less usage.

Is this a good idea ?

Also I'm considering between daikon and Panasonic. Which should I go for ? Or is there a better alternative ?
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post Jul 11 2014, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(lazarus7247 @ Jul 11 2014, 05:50 PM)
Guys I'm thinking of getting an inverter based air cond for my room as I will be using it quite frequently and a non inverter for my living room due to less usage.

Is this a good idea ?

Also I'm considering between daikon and Panasonic. Which should I go for ? Or is there a better alternative ?
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Get all inverter. Just one more not going to break your bank.
Get Daikin

Alternative? I saw some solar powered air cons. I don't exactly know how it works though. Maybe like reverse heat pump

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 11 2014, 05:54 PM)
Get all inverter. Just one more not going to break your bank.
Get Daikin

Alternative? I saw some solar powered air cons. I don't exactly know how it works though. Maybe like reverse heat pump
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Thanks for the quick reply !

Any issues with daikin ? There seems to be a huge number of Panasonic followers here.
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QUOTE(lazarus7247 @ Jul 11 2014, 06:27 PM)
Thanks for the quick reply !

Any issues with daikin ? There seems to be a huge number of Panasonic followers here.
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I have only used Daikin Inverter for like 10 months so have not really encounter any real problems yet.
I find them easier to clean.

Previously I had Panasonic non inverters. Got few problems. Control boards, motor, etc
And can't clean DIY

If I have a choice I like to get either Hitachi or Daikin. For my new place I'm not sure what they will give me.
Hopefully these two. Just my own personal choice
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 11 2014, 06:59 PM)
I have only used Daikin Inverter for like 10 months so have not really encounter any real problems yet.
I find them easier to clean.

Previously I had Panasonic non inverters. Got few problems. Control boards, motor, etc
And can't clean DIY

If I have a choice I like to get either Hitachi or Daikin. For my new place I'm not sure what they will give me.
Hopefully these two. Just my own personal choice
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Thanks for the feedback ! I think I will go for daikin then for the r22 gas inverters.
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QUOTE(lazarus7247 @ Jul 11 2014, 10:55 PM)
Thanks for the feedback ! I think I will go for daikin then for the r22 gas inverters.
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Waiting your feedback, should complain not as cool even adjust to 23C.

That is outdated model..
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 11 2014, 11:09 PM)
Waiting your feedback, should complain not as cool even adjust to 23C.

That is outdated model..
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Really so bad ?
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post Jul 12 2014, 12:50 AM

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QUOTE(lazarus7247 @ Jul 12 2014, 12:44 AM)
Really so bad ?
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Lol...I'm using the outdated model. My setting between 25-26C

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 12 2014, 12:50 AM)
Lol...I'm using the outdated model. My setting between 25-26C
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That is depend your personal need.

My friend room size 2.8m x 3m x 3m high, really feel not as cool than R410a model.

Depend your needs, some ppls I knew that he/she can't take too cold or too warm.
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QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 12 2014, 12:50 AM)
Lol...I'm using the outdated model. My setting between 25-26C
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Since you're the 1st in new install n gas pipe also brand new, why not try for R410a model to be save place n future all those Aircon equipment had changed to R410a gas already n maybe serving would cheaper than R22 now.

When install Aircon for the main reason is wanna cool down the room, if stand fan can take it, I guess no point to install Aircon for sleep as well laugh.gif

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jul 12 2014, 05:11 AM)
Since you're the 1st in new install n gas pipe also brand new, why not try for R410a model to be save place n future all those Aircon equipment had changed to R410a gas already n maybe serving would cheaper than R22 now.

When install Aircon for the main reason is wanna cool down the room, if stand fan can take it, I guess no point to install Aircon for sleep as well laugh.gif
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I agree, if new install and I have to put in my own piping, R410a is the way to go.
That doesn't mean R22 is not cold. I'm the type that scared of feeling hot.
25C is quite cold for a bedroom and it is set to maximize savings on electricity.

Anyway I heard in a few more months there will be no more Daikin R22 Inverters.
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Seem like samsung is out of the list...hehe.maybe samsung better in smartfone...
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QUOTE(ada7914 @ Jul 12 2014, 06:29 AM)
Seem like samsung is out of the list...hehe.maybe samsung better in smartfone...
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I hope got apple Aircon laugh.gif
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post Jul 13 2014, 05:54 AM

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i've previously posted a proper, scientific study about the difference between R22 and R410 airconds.
for long term reliability R22 is better as it operates at lower pressure compared to R410, hence less stress mechanical stress to piping, mechanical connection and compressor.
R22 also have better efficiency for higher ambient temperature compared to R410.

the only problem is, it's gonna be phased out. tho the gas and support should still be around probably for another 20 years. most car and office aircond is still using R22. so it makes no sense to say R22 refill gas will be phased out in say, 5 years time.
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QUOTE(paskal @ Jul 13 2014, 05:54 AM)
i've previously posted a proper, scientific study about the difference between R22 and R410 airconds.
for long term reliability R22 is better as it operates at lower pressure compared to R410, hence less stress mechanical stress to piping, mechanical connection and compressor.
R22 also have better efficiency for higher ambient temperature compared to R410.

the only problem is, it's gonna be phased out. tho the gas and support should still be around probably for another 20 years. most car and office aircond is still using R22. so it makes no sense to say R22 refill gas will be phased out in say, 5 years time.
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I read the paper through the link you posted. While I agree it's findings, it has to be interpreted in terms of the same volume of refrigerant. What I interpret it is at equal volume, R22 still ok even at higher outdoor temperature. What the refrigerant engineer have done in practice is to increase the R410a volume to compensate for the critical temperature in order to yield similar or better performance. Hence this refrigerant operates at a higher pressure than when using R22.

There are also newer refrigerant out there in an earlier posting that does not contribute as much as green house gas effect as R410a as well as ozone depletion.
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QUOTE(ada7914 @ Jul 12 2014, 06:29 AM)
Seem like samsung is out of the list...hehe.maybe samsung better in smartfone...
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i kinda like their new triangular design. whether it is more efficient or not, i dont know and I am wary of korean products

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 13 2014, 10:50 AM)
i kinda like their new triangular design. whether it is more efficient or not, i dont know and I am wary of korean products
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Sharp's new model seems to also reduced power consumption from 800-900W to 690W. Think the trend is large air intake to increase cooling efficiency. BTW, the Daikin and Mitsubishi also have ecoNavi like feature. It's an infrared ball thingy that scans the room and bring up temperature if there's no occupant. But they may not work as well as ecoNavi's fuzzy logic.

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