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SportyHandling
post Jun 14 2024, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(sitescope @ Jun 14 2024, 08:07 AM)
This is bcoz u compare with exp tint
Proton vs bmw
Have u compare with other cheap tint ads in fb rm99, rm199, rm299, etc
Other exp tint maybe incl security film which isnt incl in tgard so there's addtnl cost too
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I consider Totalgard as a cheap tint. No experience with super-cheap tints costing below RM300. With the result I'm getting with Totalgard, I assume there will be no difference between those RM99 or 199 tints with an untinted vehicle.
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Jun 14 2024, 08:32 AM)
If vs Coolgard, and the price u mentioned last time, not even convincing even website also unable to show detail, website . Rather heading to rm2k+ brand than taking that, vouch for 3M Crystalline.

For tint, look at spec then verify it on meter. Similar to those who send car for remaps, not using butt dyno.
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The website may not be convincing, but the performance of Coolgard in real life is surely better than Totalgard. However, the price of the Coolgard is about 2X the Totalgard. Nevertheless, the Coolgard is still cheaper than the premium tints such as V-kool.

The reason I went with Coolgard is I only install the tint on the front windscreen. All sides and rear windscreens are already installed with customized tints included in the package of the new car purchase. I wanted a better tint on the front windscreen so I spent extra money replacing the tint here as to me the front windscreen is the most important.

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QUOTE(Cavino @ Jun 14 2024, 08:42 AM)
I am free again, so ciong hei opinion ranting (long post again). Feel free to skip.

My 2 cents for layman (not technical, just casual user) is I roughly evaluate a tint heat performance by putting the back of my hand under the tint in hot sun. How hot is it on the back of my hands. I think most layman do that, no technically accurate at all, really pasar style but.....it worked for most.

Heat will always build up overtime no matter what tint used if park for long hours under hot sun. A good tint slows down the heat penetration thus slows down the heat buildup in the car. A good tints will contribute to heat reduction ON skin while you are in the car with direct noon sunlight shining directly on you. You will feel the heat but you won't feel the painful sting on the skin.

Just an example of how I see a good heat resistance between a good one with a bad one is lets say during the start, the temp is 24 for both tints, after half an hour, a good tint is 28, a bad one 32, 1 hours, a good one 32, a bad 38, 2 hours, a good one 36, bad one cooking at over 40. After 3 hours, both cooking. Of course, the car body also absorb heat and add in the heat. We are just talking about direct heat penetration thru glass that contribute the most heat direct into the car. So if you stay in the car under super hot sun, idling, waiting for half and hour, an hour (did that so many times, wifey go buy stuff), that is where good tints heat resistant effect comes maximum into play, air cond also no need switch so high vs bad or nor no tint. Sunlight no sting on skin, still feel the heat but MUCH lesser vs lousy ones.

So some say not worth to premium ones but for some like me who wants MAXIMUM comfort under hot sun, it is worth it....a bit wasteful tho, I admit the money can be better spend elsewhere but that is how I spend it, no regret on the tints, just regret when I think I can go eat chicken so many times with the money I spend. Some comment, no need good tint, they don't sleep in car....I do...sometimes...hahaha.

That is besides the protection accorded to a good tint UV protection of leather, dashboard, plastic, etc inside the car over the years. I kept my cars for decade or 2, trust me when I say my dashboard still looks very new, practically little to no fading, always parked under hot sun. Also a good tint adds to anti-glare, at least to the Windscreen. Act exactly like the rear view mirror dimmer (some cars have rear view mirror anti-glare) darn cheapo Honda skipped that for most models, so this worked the same except the entire rear Windscreen act like anti-glare dimmer. All these are layman understanding that have no scientific data to backup...but that is how I see it.

Now why I preferred  a good metallized tints over ceramic (might not be correct but that is how I generally understand them, in layman term), metalized sputter tints like VKool Elite and Irispro Elite, Diamond and DX series reflect heat. If using silver sputter like VKool and Irispro DX, it has the best metal heat reflection. Ceramic absorb heat and disperse them. The weakness for ceramic (at least IMO), is ceramic worked great while it is moving, the wind will help disperse the heat, so do aircond but heat still get absorbed (some into the car before air-cond disperse them). Metallized sputter reflect some of them (not all lar, just the basic metallized attribute), so while heat still get thru into the car, when compared with ceramic, much less will get into it in the first place (at least on the same quality comparison, again no hard data, just basic understanding).

That is my own layman understanding (might not be accurate but I believe it is generally like that). Of course improvement of nano ceramic tech will upgrade the heat resistance but so do nano metallized sputter improvement. Good metallized sputter are generally more expensive due to the real metal used but also depends on quality of sputter, metal. There are some cheap metallized sputter but I don't trust those coz in general market, good metallized sputter with high quality material and sputter process (some good sputter used 6 micro layers for each metal sputter layer) will definitely cost more to produced. Some do hike up pricing due to brand names (proven reliability tho) but some like Irispro trying to build their brand names and try to penetrate the market with lower pricing (for metallized sputter pricing lar, still even supposedly lowered, it is still darn premium pricing compared to other branded ceramics).

Of course I can't dispute some expert that are into tints or r&D and tried out many tints like dwRK....hehe...If you asked a mechanic, they will always think not worth to buy new car coz they truly understand and know the in and out of it...Same with sardine canner worker, they will likely never eat canned sardine, ever. Haha...
I am no mechanic, so I buy premium tints that I feel worked super great, maximized comfort on what I can afford, keep life simple, just spend money and eat real shit after..hahaha.
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Good post. Others may use meters to take readings of tints, but I'm not bothered. People may say it's inaccurate or anything, but I judge based on entering the car and feeling the heat on my face. You have used the back of your hand. Layman way of doing, but it's still useful. The difference is obvious when I enter the car with the Totalgard and another car with Coolgard. The front windscreen is always most important as I judge based on the heat penetrating the front windscreen that's shining on my face. With the Totalgard, it's oven burning hot even though the air-cond is switched on, still need to wait 1+ minute for the whole car to cool down. With Coolgard or V-kool, although it's hot, it's not burning oven hot, still bearable.

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post Jun 14 2024, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(Cavino @ Jun 14 2024, 08:42 AM)
I am free again, so ciong hei opinion ranting (long post again). Feel free to skip.

My 2 cents for layman (not technical, just casual user) is I roughly evaluate a tint heat performance by putting the back of my hand under the tint in hot sun. How hot is it on the back of my hands. I think most layman do that, no technically accurate at all, really pasar style but.....it worked for most.

Heat will always build up overtime no matter what tint used if park for long hours under hot sun. A good tint slows down the heat penetration thus slows down the heat buildup in the car. A good tints will contribute to heat reduction ON skin while you are in the car with direct noon sunlight shining directly on you. You will feel the heat but you won't feel the painful sting on the skin.

Just an example of how I see a good heat resistance between a good one with a bad one is lets say during the start, the temp is 24 for both tints, after half an hour, a good tint is 28, a bad one 32, 1 hours, a good one 32, a bad 38, 2 hours, a good one 36, bad one cooking at over 40. After 3 hours, both cooking. Of course, the car body also absorb heat and add in the heat. We are just talking about direct heat penetration thru glass that contribute the most heat direct into the car. So if you stay in the car under super hot sun, idling, waiting for half and hour, an hour (did that so many times, wifey go buy stuff), that is where good tints heat resistant effect comes maximum into play, air cond also no need switch so high vs bad or nor no tint. Sunlight no sting on skin, still feel the heat but MUCH lesser vs lousy ones.

So some say not worth to premium ones but for some like me who wants MAXIMUM comfort under hot sun, it is worth it....a bit wasteful tho, I admit the money can be better spend elsewhere but that is how I spend it, no regret on the tints, just regret when I think I can go each chicken so many times with the money I spend. They don't sleep in car....I do...sometimes...hahaha.

That is besides the protection accorded to a good tint UV protection of leather, dashboard, plastic, etc inside the car over the years. I kept my cars for decade or 2, trust me when I say my dashboard still looks very new, practically little to no fading, always parked under hot sun. All these are layman understanding that have no scientific data to backup...but that is how I see it.

Now why I preferred  a good metallized tints over ceramic (might not be correct but that is how I generally understand them, in layman term), metalized sputter tints like VKool Elite and Irispro Elite, Diamond and DX series reflect heat. If using silver sputter like VKool and Irispro DX, it has the best metal heat reflection. Ceramic absorb heat and disperse them. The weakness for ceramic (at least IMO), is ceramic worked great while it is moving, the wind will help disperse the heat, so do aircond but heat still get absorbed (some into the car before air-cond disperse them). Metallized sputter reflect some of them (not all lar, just the basic metallized attribute), so while heat still get thru into the car, when compared with ceramic, much less will get into it in the first place (at least on the same quality comparison, again no hard data, just basic understanding).

That is my own layman understanding (might not be accurate but I believe it is generally like that). Of course improvement of nano ceramic tech will upgrade the heat resistance but so do nano metallized sputter improvement. Good metallized sputter are generally more expensive due to the real metal used but also depends on quality of sputter, metal. There are some cheap metallized sputter but I don't trust those coz in general market, good metallized sputter with high quality material and sputter process (some good sputter used 6 micro layers for each metal sputter layer) will definitely cost more to produced. Some do hike up pricing due to brand names (proven reliability tho) but some like Irispro trying to build their brand names and try to penetrate the market with lower pricing (for metallized sputter pricing lar, still even supposedly lowered, it is still darn premium pricing compared to other branded ceramics).

Of course I can't dispute some expert that are into tints or r&D and tried out many tints like dwRK....hehe...If you asked a mechanic, they will always think not worth to buy new car coz they truly understand and know it is not really worth it at all...I am no mechanic, so I buy new car, keep life simple, just spend money..hahaha.
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very good explanation

also some manufacturers under promise over deliver... example vkool irr spec only 95%... but when i shine my tv/aircon remove control light through it... it looks like blocking about same as 99% films...

and even with vkool i use a black window shade inside... this leads me to my next experiment... double pane/glazed windows... hahaha.... gonna order some polycarbonate sheet soon for some double heat blocking action... hahaha

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post Jun 14 2024, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Jun 14 2024, 09:14 AM)
The website may not be convincing, but the performance of Coolgard in real life is surely better than Totalgard. However, the price of the Coolgard is about 2X the Totalgard. Nevertheless, the Coolgard is still cheaper than the premium tints such as V-kool.

The reason I went with Coolgard is I only install the tint on the front windscreen. All sides and rear windscreens are already installed with customized tints included in the package of the new car purchase. I wanted a better tint on the front windscreen so I spent extra money replacing the tint here as to me the front windscreen is the most important.
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how much for fws ?

sputter or nano ceramic ?
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post Jun 14 2024, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Jun 13 2024, 06:55 PM)
Hey bro thanks for your input. I was a bit suspicious about the REM40 also because the shop said "V-Kool REM40" but when I asked if it's V-Kool 40 they said no.

The other offer I got is the Raytech line-up here, what are your thoughts on the two I circled? These are security films. I think I can get maybe 500 off the price in the brochure.

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Can also try check out Irispro, they have a branch in Penang coz I installed them....on 3 cars this year. This is the year I was forced to changed of my old 17/15 years old VKool Elite due to blurring but cannot afford the new ones. As I have my preference in metallized sputter tint (no doubt due to VKool Elite excellent reliability and performance), I try to go for that instead of ceramic. The only issue I think will be their thick film, other is 2mn thick, theirs is a least 3mn to 5mn, due to their multi-layer metallized sputters (6 layers). The D and DX series that I used is not in the website, read my earlier post for my experiences. That one as additional sputter layer that are made from 6 micro sputter. Worked great except for the thickness, a bit harder to install on Windscreen and takes longer to dry out. The price is to pay for maximized sputter reflection and I think it worked out really great in heat resistance, and internal lighting and comfort. (I would not keep installing them, if not, they are not cheap either, mine is sedan already near 3K liao.) What is missing in most tint is the HEV blue light resistance that no other tint has adding to eyesight comfort....In reality, the lighting is indeed very comfortable...but is it the HEV....not sure.

Raytech is also quite premiumly priced. My sis uses the mid range, not sure which, she also don't know. It worked ok but not that good, feel like it trapped heat inside but I think that is becoz of their lower range quality and maybe becoz the bloody XV does not has rear air-cond vent but then again so does my 2 old sedans that I changed tint.

Do note that the highest range Raytech Ultra 70 is NOT smart tag friendly, if you used it. The Q series and below ok for smart tag. I checked them out last time when I seriously looking at Subaru XV. I would go for QX range for that but then again during the nego...I got massive super huge discount on the tint in exchange for abandoning other free stuff...So maybe if you really go for Raytech, try nego for more...the discount I got is really massive, maybe direct car dealer discount until car dealer no earn coz nego with the new car purchases.

Can also look into 3M for ceramic and branded, again smart tag not friendly for most cars but generally can't go wrong with it except if you accidentally install fake ones..

I have no experience in security tint tho....coz I installed all solar ones. The Irispro DX is not security tint although its thickness almost reach it. Make it harder to break tho but security tint has their perks and weakness. I go comfort way...the original solar ranges.

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Hey guys, just bought CRV V spec latest model, the honda sales give me a package for tint and coat, can someone tell me if this price are reasonable and if the package is good and worth it?

There's 4 different package for CRV price is rm6600, rm5300, rm4200 and rm3200

or should i seek for other shop? the benefit is they can do it for me before pickup car, so no need to arrange another day, so i am thinking if the price is more and less the same i just let them do it

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post Jun 14 2024, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Jun 14 2024, 09:22 AM)
how much for fws ?

sputter or nano ceramic ?
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I"m not sure what spec whether sputter or nano ceramic as I didn't ask. But this is the price for various IRR numbers, price is only for the FWS. Higher IRR, higher price. VLT is customisable, only 4 options (VLT 80%, VLT 70%, VLT 40%, VLT 20%).

1) Irr 95% rm830
2) Irr 88% rm680
3) Irr 75% rm580
4) Irr 65% rm380

I took the best spec IRR 95%, VLT 70% for FWS.

Price of V-kool Elite for FWS is RM1,300. Usually if doing just FWS only, the price is higher when compared to doing for whole car.

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QUOTE(Cyyap95 @ Jun 14 2024, 11:27 AM)
Hey guys, just bought CRV V spec latest model, the honda sales give me a package for tint and coat, can someone tell me if this price are reasonable and if the package is good and worth it?

There's 4 different package for CRV price is rm6600, rm5300, rm4200 and rm3200

or should i seek for other shop? the benefit is they can do it for me before pickup car, so no need to arrange another day, so i am thinking if the price is more and less the same i just let them do it

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It depends if you value or appreciate car coating. Personally I view car coating as unnecessary. With new Nissan Almera, previously my service advisor asked me if I wanted to do car coating (need to pay), and I rejected it. Now latest offer, the car coating and tint were included in the new car purchase with the price of new car unchanged. I presume the cost of the coating should be very low since they can include it FOC.

For tint, I am not sure if the Honda package V-kool 70 presumably for FWS combined with other types of tint for side and rear is comparable to V-Kool Elite for whole car. With Nissan, the price for V-Kool Elite for Nissan Almera (all FWS, side and rear windscreens) is only RM2,800. If doing outside it's significantly more expensive, RM3k+ or RM4k+ if I'm not mistaken.

To cut a story short, if it was me, I would opt for just tinting outside of your choice or budget since the packages don't look too attractive to me. I'm not sure if the Charcoal Plus 6 is V-Kool, and the other tint package is safety tint instead of heat rejection tint. I personally favour heat rejection tint over safety tint. The price of RM4.7k isn't exactly cheap for this combination tint.
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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Jun 14 2024, 12:18 PM)
It depends if you value or appreciate car coating. Personally I view car coating as unnecessary. With new Nissan Almera, previously my service advisor asked me if I wanted to do car coating (need to pay), and I rejected it. Now latest offer, the car coating and tint were included in the new car purchase with the price of new car unchanged. I presume the cost of the coating should be very low since they can include it FOC.

For tint, I am not sure if the Honda package V-kool 70 presumably for FWS combined with other types of tint for side and rear is comparable to V-Kool Elite for whole car. With Nissan, the price for V-Kool Elite for Nissan Almera (all FWS, side and rear windscreens) is only RM2,800. If doing outside it's significantly more expensive, RM3k+ or RM4k+ if I'm not mistaken.

To cut a story short, if it was me, I would opt for just tinting outside of your choice or budget since the packages don't look too attractive to me. I'm not sure if the Charcoal Plus 6 is V-Kool, and the other tint package is safety tint instead of heat rejection tint. I personally favour heat rejection tint over safety tint. The price of RM4.7k isn't exactly cheap for this combination tint.
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i hand wash personally and so coatings make life easier... but i diy with spray coatings, i find it sufficient...

since his is a package deal, i'd find out cost of vkool outside with same spec and see if there is any savings...

generally, i'd avoid any charcoal and carbon tints... these are just pigment upgrades from dye films for vlt only... irr is quite bad... but there is a 99% irr carbon film in the market but i didn't test it...

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QUOTE(Cavino @ Jun 14 2024, 09:23 AM)
Can also try check out Irispro, they have a branch in Penang coz I installed them....on 3 cars this year. This is the year I was forced to changed of my old 17/15 years old VKool Elite due to blurring but cannot afford the new ones. As I have my preference in metallized sputter tint (no doubt due to VKool Elite excellent reliability and performance), I try to go for that instead of ceramic. The only issue I think will be their thick film, other is 2mn thick, theirs is a least 3mn to 5mn, due to their multi-layer metallized sputters (6 layers). The D and DX series that I used is not in the website, read my earlier post for my experiences. That one as additional sputter layer that are made from 6 micro sputter. Worked great except for the thickness, a bit harder to install on Windscreen and takes longer to dry out. The price is to pay for maximized sputter reflection and I think it worked out really great in heat resistance, and internal lighting and comfort. (I would not keep installing them, if not, they are not cheap either, mine is sedan already near 3K liao.) What is missing in most tint is the HEV blue light resistance that no other tint has adding to eyesight comfort....In reality, the lighting is indeed very comfortable...but is it the HEV....not sure.

Raytech is also quite premiumly priced. My sis uses the mid range, not sure which, she also don't know. It worked ok but not that good, feel like it trapped heat inside but I think that is becoz of their lower range quality and maybe becoz the bloody XV does not has rear air-cond vent but then again so does my 2 old sedans that I changed tint.

Do note that the highest range Raytech Ultra 70 is NOT smart tag friendly, if you used it. The Q series and below ok for smart tag. I checked them out last time when I seriously looking at Subaru XV. I would go for QX range for that but then again during the nego...I got massive super huge discount on the tint in exchange for abandoning other free stuff...So maybe if you really go for Raytech, try nego for more...the discount I got is really massive, maybe direct car dealer discount until car dealer no earn coz nego with the new car purchases.

Can also look into 3M for ceramic and branded, again smart tag not friendly for most cars but generally can't go wrong with it except if you accidentally install fake ones..

I have no experience in security tint tho....coz I installed all solar ones. The Irispro DX is not security tint although its thickness almost reach it. Make it harder to break tho but security tint has their perks and weakness. I go comfort way...the original solar ranges.
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Oh interesting, thanks for your extensive write-up! I went with Raytech for my Civic FC in 2018 so I'm thinking to really try V-Kool this time around.

I'll ask the shop for the following specs and see what they say:

FWS: V-Kool Elite (best in business according to multiple forummers)
RWS and Side: V-Kool 40 (not REM — try to get higher TSER compared to REM40)

Do you think this combination above is good enough?
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Jun 14 2024, 12:57 PM)
i hand wash personally and so coatings make life easier... but i diy with spray coatings, i find it sufficient...

since his is a package deal, i'd find out cost of vkool outside with same spec and see if there is any savings...

generally, i'd avoid any charcoal and carbon tints... these are just pigment upgrades from dye films for vlt only... irr is quite bad... but there is a 99% irr carbon film in the market but i didn't test it...
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You really DIY everything....I so envy coz I so lazy, so can only envy...haha. I would likely save thousands, err no...tens of thousands in my saving accounts for my few cars over the years if I am you.

So regret for my laziness...I would be a much richer man. Still I continue my laziness, its in me already..

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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Jun 14 2024, 01:18 PM)
Oh interesting, thanks for your extensive write-up! I went with Raytech for my Civic FC in 2018 so I'm thinking to really try V-Kool this time around.

I'll ask the shop for the following specs and see what they say:

FWS: V-Kool Elite (best in business according to multiple forummers)
RWS and Side: V-Kool 40 (not REM — try to get higher TSER compared to REM40)

Do you think this combination above is good enough?
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VKool is indeed one of the best, for me (IMO only), it is the pick of the litter. It is also proven in long term reliability and performance degradation. The problem now is this pick of litter is also one of the most expensive in the market, at least 1/3 to 1/2 the price of its competitors. Thats why I start searching for alternatives replacement (metallic sputter) and found Irispro that I think is great as well, just not proven long term yet but it does have 10 years special performance and defect warranties. But for clear tint at VLT70, there is no comparison here, VKool Elite is the one.

My initial choice when asked for quotation last year before the price scared me into searching for other replacement ( cry.gif cry.gif I need to replace a few cars at 1 go),

FWS : VKool Elite
Front Side : VKool 55
RWS and Rear Side : VKool 30

You will still appreciate the brightness of VKool 30 vs your planned 40 yet with better TSER. This however makes 2 tones colour for the side...You can see in my picture for both my City using Irispro to have an idea of 2 tones (note the new black City, that is more matching, same tone but front is lighter 60, rear darker 30) in my post earlier. 60 front vs 30 rear. Can check with VKool if there are of same colouring, just lighter vs darker.

My current tints are Irispro DX60 FWS and front side with DX30 at RWS and rear side.
The VLT reading via Lingshang meter for front is around VLT53-54 and rear is VLT21-23.

I am not sure if VKool lighting is similar (forget abt colour hue, sure different) but my VLT21 is still pretty bright inside, not 60-70VLT bright, but bright enuf it won't cause any claustrophobic feel but then again I doubt the huge CRV interior can cause claustrophobic feel for anyone.

However if you want to have same external colour hue for all sides (mine is targeted for maxed TSER with somewhat clear VLT for front side to avoid be stopped at roadblock), then you can keep VLT40 or VLT55 for all sides (VLT30 too dim for front side) but I personally prefer better VLT brightness for front side for side mirror view (clear tint for me is VLT50 and above, thus VKool 55) but want to maximized comfort for passenger thus dimmer behind. I am not sure how dark VKool 30 is but the listed VLT is way higher at 35...even include glass, should be around 30..My Irispro DX30 at VLT21 is already just right at brightness (not dark and not bright).

If want to be JPJ compliant, front side should be VKool 55. But then again after go thru the glass, it might even dropped below 50VLT, it depends on the glass thickness and quality type. I gave up on JPJ compliant coz my 2006 City VKool Elite read 64%...but some cars like Toyota Harrier say it read near 70 for theirs..so go figure. Honda windscreen maybe slightly darker.

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QUOTE(Cavino @ Jun 14 2024, 01:36 PM)
You really DIY everything....I so envy coz I so lazy, so can only envy...haha. I would likely save thousands, err no...tens of thousands in my saving accounts for my few cars over the years if I am you.

So regret for my laziness...I would be a much richer man. Still I continue my laziness, its in me already..
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im a really hands on guy and likes to try stuff first hand... its also good therapy, most of the time... not at all about saving costs, but some do adds up after a while, i wont deny biggrin.gif

paint my own house, cut my own hair including waifu n kids, change my own engine oil/filter, had a 2hp air compressor once so i spray painted my car... built big orchid sheds and grew my phalaenopsis orchid from test tubes... had 200+ pots of it... so awesome when they were in full bloom... hahaha

but getting old n lazy... so lot of things i cant do nowadays...

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Anyone heard of this brand before?

Heres their spec, tser seem ok?
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QUOTE(Cavino @ Jun 13 2024, 01:27 PM)
If you are into maximum comfort in car....3M worth it with a caveat the lots of cars with 3M has issues with smart tag detection, other than that, its all good unless if you get a fake one (there are fake 3M and VKool out there, price of being popular old birds on tint premium market). Make sure to get from trust-worthy source.

There are also many ranges for each brand, if you get the lowest range, you pay the price of varied low quality as well.

For 1k+, forget about premium but still can lar for some people, they don't sleep in car like I do...hahaha...

I personally think most dark tint will fade one way or another when going into a decade. TSER performance will definitely decrease. It applies to most tints, difference is how much each degrade overtime. Most tints does not provide performance warranties unfortunately (sometime like garantee won't drop more than 10% over certain years). Most only provide warranty on defects, peeling, distortion or in VKool case, oxidisation..

As for privacy, the rear can go as dark as you want...so can go max privacy as long as you can still see thru the rear windscreen clearly. Can go pump pump with someone there... whistling.gif  whistling.gif

However front, need privacy meh...unless you don't want ppl to see you pick nose..hehe...

Actually I found anything above 50++ is already very good for front side and windscreen. For me, anything below will be too dark but then it really depends on preference. If you keep the front at 50 to 60 VLT, they are pretty clear that I doubt you will be stop in any roadblock unless you face looks very suspicious... sweat.gif  sweat.gif

Try PM dog999, he got many sources. Been around for ages.
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3m those authorise shop shall safe enuf?
i dont really aim for premium, maybe a midrange should be sufficient.
regarding performance guarantee, i feel this very vary, as the way the measure standard is different from each ppl, each shop and method of measuring. Those sales man can use the uv heat lamp and walk near n far etc which they do not use a standard method to measure. Agree on claiming are mostly on defect/distort/peel/bubble those . .
Privacy as coupe no rear door so basically cant tint dark unless the rear windscreen ..
I am not fan of whole car dark because block visibility, but i will prefer something in middle which people could see there is someone in car, but could not see their face clearly.. like shadow.. i think that is around 50vlt.
dog999 is agent or what?
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post Jun 16 2024, 03:19 AM

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QUOTE(eddie2020 @ Jun 15 2024, 03:48 AM)
3m those authorise shop shall safe enuf?
i dont really aim for premium, maybe a midrange should be sufficient.
regarding performance guarantee, i feel this very vary, as the way the measure standard is different from each ppl, each shop and method of measuring. Those sales man can use the uv heat lamp and walk near n far etc which they do not use a standard method to measure. Agree on claiming are mostly on defect/distort/peel/bubble those . .
Privacy as coupe no rear door so basically cant tint dark unless the rear windscreen ..
I am not fan of whole car dark because block visibility, but i will prefer something in middle which people could see there is someone in car, but could not see their face clearly.. like shadow.. i think that is around 50vlt.
dog999 is agent or what?
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Not really agent blush.gif . I just helping lyn member here get better discount . 100% original film / fake film full refund guaranteed.
Can check my topic/Pm me/ whatapps for catalogue/pricelist yea ( klang valley area only) Thank You !

This post has been edited by dog999: Jun 16 2024, 03:31 AM
Cavino
post Jun 18 2024, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(eddie2020 @ Jun 15 2024, 03:48 AM)
3m those authorise shop shall safe enuf?
i dont really aim for premium, maybe a midrange should be sufficient.
regarding performance guarantee, i feel this very vary, as the way the measure standard is different from each ppl, each shop and method of measuring. Those sales man can use the uv heat lamp and walk near n far etc which they do not use a standard method to measure. Agree on claiming are mostly on defect/distort/peel/bubble those . .
Privacy as coupe no rear door so basically cant tint dark unless the rear windscreen ..
I am not fan of whole car dark because block visibility, but i will prefer something in middle which people could see there is someone in car, but could not see their face clearly.. like shadow.. i think that is around 50vlt.
dog999 is agent or what?
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VLT50 can see face clearly wor....that is why I still call it clear tint or at least on borderline. It's VLT 40 or below you can't see face that clearly at certain lighting but for a coupe, that is really too dark coz your front VLT sure kena stop under road block. So yeah, VLT 50 to 60 will be the best bet for you but forget about not seeing face clearly, that belongs to 40 and below.

Actually depending on brands and quality of tints, VLT20 to 30 quite bright. From outside, under sunlight, my Irispro tint has mirrored reflection, cannot see inside, appear dark from outside but from inside, pretty bright wor (again no VLT70 bright but brighter than supposedly dark look, won't feel phobia even on my small City). The vlt will not be suitable for coupe though if you want to maintain balanced brightness which I will still suggest VLT50 or above as you indicated. Front, try use at least 60 series (will likely dropped your VLT to 54++ and above depending on your FWS thickness, brands, etc). Or just stick to VLT 70 to be safe. I ok with the VLT 54++.

I don't know Dog999 personally, just he has been around and do knows about tints and have discounts on a number of tint sources.....I am sure he will get something for the recommendation....haha...but as long you get authentic tints and discounts that suits you, can give a try and judge for yourself if you are at loss on where to get one and what discount to expect. Watch out for workmanship tho, that one, really many ppl only see discount and forgot to check the shops background for installation skills.

This post has been edited by Cavino: Jun 18 2024, 02:36 PM
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post Jun 19 2024, 10:13 PM

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Hi all,
Seeking some tint advice here.
Anyone has any comparison or advice if I'm to choose between 3M Crystaline series -vs- RayTech QX, QC, Mx, Mc series?

Many thanks
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post Jun 21 2024, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(Dovienya @ Jun 19 2024, 10:13 PM)
Hi all,
Seeking some tint advice here.
Anyone has any comparison or advice if I'm to choose between 3M Crystaline series -vs- RayTech QX, QC, Mx, Mc series?

Many thanks
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3M Crystalline is a solar film while Raytech X series are security film. So a bit hard to compare. The solar tint range is series without X....ie RX = R solar series. Solar range are cheaper than security range.

Also only Raytech highest range, the R series are the same level with 3M Crystalline. So if you want to compare it should be with Raytech R series or RX series only.

Both Raytech R series and 3M crystalline has issues with smart tag (for many cars but not all, coz some cars work) if you used them (if you considering City, most likely not, my friend's 3M on this gen City cannot work with Smart Tag). R series also acknowledge got problem with smart tag. The Q series and below no problem but the spec is not on par with 3M Crystalline liao.

Unfortunately cannot comment on 3M vs Raytech for me. Both are good and proven, both are premium, both are expensive. Old birds will say 3M (if no smart tag issues) coz proven so far if no accidentally install fake ones but I hear Raytech also not bad wor, R&D and included in my earlier few premium tint consideration list with I looking for one earlier.

You can also consider Irispro DX or Diamond series if you want to try out premium metallic-based tints, also near to 3K. Expensive but it is premium metallic sputter. That one smart tags worked but RFID has to be placed on car headlamp coz metallic-based tints while provide one of the best heat reflection, also interfere with RFID wave (no RFID on windscreen).



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