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efaceninja
post Aug 6 2014, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(LazyJin @ Aug 6 2014, 10:03 PM)
D156 is meant to be used on a clean surface - no dust / dirt - and will leave a hydrophobic layer of protection, while D155 is meant to clean light dust / dirt. They serve different purposes and shouldn't be compared?
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not comparing the 2. i'm just considering want to take D155 together with D156 or not. D155 spray wipe, then after that D156 spray wipe... both are consider optional steps if i wash with wash&wax weekly i think, and rewax like... 3-4 months once?? just that D155 & D156 combo is very convenient and fast to make the car looks instant shiny.

Convenient and fast aside, need to consider the price for those stuff too.. so.. get D155 first maybe.
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how to fix squeaking outside door handle ?

Sometimes have some times no
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Hi, any user for Opti Guard? I found 3 detailer in KV - can provide feedback please on your experience and their workmanship? Perhaps you can pm me if you do not wish to post here. Thank you so much!
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QUOTE(Xu3r @ Aug 6 2014, 11:11 PM)
how to fix squeaking outside door handle ?

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post Aug 7 2014, 01:06 AM

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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Aug 6 2014, 09:43 AM)
Normal super glue would harden the foam, making it brittle and destroying it. Gorilla glue would soak into and fused with the foam, it bond with the foam structure, and doesn't cure as hard and brittle as super glue.
D155 (or Megs Quick Detailer) is 'traditional' QD, for light cleaning with a little bit of gloss enhancer - provide no protection.
M135 (or Megs Ultimate Quick Detailer) is a QD with added hydrophobic (water beading) booster/enhancer, for topping up and 'boosting' water beading - add a little bit of protection.
D156 (or Megs Ultimate Spray Wax) is a spray wax for maintenance/topping up of existing wax - add more protection than D135 but less than normal waxes/sealants.

For use as clay lube, better go for D155 or Megs Quick Detailer as it's meant for lubricating the surface for safer removal and cleaning of light dusting (some even use it as a 'no rinse' or 'waterless' wash). M135 and D156 also got lubricant but its only meant to facilitate the easy spreading of the polymer/wax/sealant...so it's not meant to lubricate the surface per se. Furthermore, M135 is also loaded with solvent that *could* damage clay bars cuz, I kid you not, it can remove some weaker waxes/sealants and also minor water spots. Not sure about the effect of D156 cuz I haven't try it as a clay lube before.

For QD job, I tend to also dilute D155 at 1:1 and spray it more liberally than 'normal'...much like using a 'no rinse' or 'waterless' wash. I know the instructions says to use it neat but it's just my personal preference and it worked for me. Maybe I just didn't get the technique/method right but most of the time I would get *very* light marring.

You might be onto something there....D155 & D156 being a 'maintenance twin'. But just be careful with the QD though. For me, it worked quite well as a clay lube but I just couldn't make it work as 'light cleaner' of dust other right after a good wash.
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GLUE MASTER!! notworthy.gif opening the next ultimate quick detailer soon today I went home I saw BIRD SHOT ON MY CAR!!

QUOTE(KrisMas @ Aug 6 2014, 09:57 AM)
Worst case:
RM45/473ml = RM0.09/ml
RM150/3.78L = RM0.04/ml

....already a little more than 50% saving... tongue.gif  go go go....HAHAHAHA.....
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QUOTE(efaceninja @ Aug 6 2014, 05:29 PM)
why the master here knows so much about a super glue as well... sweat.gif lols

Anyway, if i buy D155, my original main purpose would be as a kind of very light duty cleaner worr.  meaning like a QD wipe after washing car, or QD wipe before wax (if i do wax), or QD wipe after wax.  Or sometimes OCD want to wipe off those very fine dust 2-3 days after a car wash.  And of course as clay lube as well (currently use shampoo mix)  I suppose QD mist & wipes will not damage the wax layer right? (ULW here).

if i get D156 as well, will plan to spray it once a month.  but D156 also seems more expensive than D155.  and not sure if can be used with 1:1 dilution as well.
for D155, i plan to get one for myself only rolleyes.gif  rolleyes.gif can use for like.. many yearssss
for D156, maybe need share share a bit haha.
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You buy gallon I think is a lot worth man..

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post Aug 7 2014, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(efaceninja @ Aug 6 2014, 05:29 PM)
why the master here knows so much about a super glue as well... sweat.gif lols

Anyway, if i buy D155, my original main purpose would be as a kind of very light duty cleaner worr.  meaning like a QD wipe after washing car, or QD wipe before wax (if i do wax), or QD wipe after wax.  Or sometimes OCD want to wipe off those very fine dust 2-3 days after a car wash.  And of course as clay lube as well (currently use shampoo mix)  I suppose QD mist & wipes will not damage the wax layer right? (ULW here).

if i get D156 as well, will plan to spray it once a month.  but D156 also seems more expensive than D155.  and not sure if can be used with 1:1 dilution as well haha.
for D155, i plan to get one for myself only rolleyes.gif  rolleyes.gif can use for like.. many yearssss
for D156, maybe need share share a bit haha.
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Wait im confused .....

M135 is equivalent to Meg's Ultimate Quick Detailer.
D156 is equivalent to Meg's Quick Wax.
D155 is equivalent to?
hmm.gif hmm.gif
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post Aug 7 2014, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(kalvinkhoo @ Aug 7 2014, 09:51 AM)
Wait im confused .....

M135 is equivalent to Meg's Ultimate Quick Detailer.
D156 is equivalent to Meg's Quick Wax.
D155 is equivalent to? 
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D155 consumer version is this

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Nothing to confuse. If you really have gang and contact probably you can only go look for Detailer (gallon) series since its not openly sell to consumer

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post Aug 7 2014, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(g88 @ Aug 7 2014, 09:56 AM)
D155 consumer version is this

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Nothing to confuse. If you really have gang and contact probably you can only go look for Detailer (gallon) series since its not openly sell to consumer
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Oh haha thanks for that tip... thumbup.gif

Well have to slowly gather gang gang detailer!!! brows.gif
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post Aug 7 2014, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(kalvinkhoo @ Aug 7 2014, 10:04 AM)
Oh haha thanks for that tip... thumbup.gif

Well have to slowly gather gang gang detailer!!!  brows.gif
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different period/era got different group...once you into detailer, you will start venturing more and more brand...crazily look for purchase from oversea even the shipment cost is 100-300% then the actual product....


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post Aug 7 2014, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(efaceninja @ Aug 6 2014, 10:38 PM)
not comparing the 2.  i'm just considering want to take D155 together with D156 or not.  D155 spray wipe, then after that D156 spray wipe... both are consider optional steps if i wash with wash&wax weekly i think, and rewax like... 3-4 months once??  just that D155 & D156 combo is very convenient and fast to make the car looks instant shiny.

Convenient and fast aside, need to consider the price for those stuff too.. so.. get D155 first maybe.
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Well...I've been using them (on and off) and a few others for quite some time now.

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Here's my takes on QDs and spray waxes.

I only use QD (M34) for clay lubricant and also (Last Touch) for light cleaning when/if I missed some spots AFTER WASH. I don't feel comfortable using it to 'clean' light dusting after a few days, regardless if the car had been driven or not. I just let it be and leave it that way until my next proper wash.

If I were to do (which I very seldom need to) that kind of 'cleaning', I would prefer to use a 'no-rinse' or 'waterless' product instead. For these, I would alternate between Optimum No Rinse, Duragloss Rinseless Wash or Megs D114 - Rinse Free Express Wash - my current favourite. These products are more economical to use. I use at 2oz to 1gal dilution (around 1:64) in a spray bottle and spray liberally or at 1oz to 1gal (1:128) if using a wash bucket.

M135 also I only use occasionally for spot removal of stubborn dirt marks or when I see light water spots had started to form AFTER A PROPER WASH. Like I said before, M135/Ultimate Quick Detailer is loaded with solvent and it cleans these type of contaminant really really well. But again, mind you, it could also strip or weaken the existing wax/sealant.

For Ultimate Quick Wax...now...this one is a good topper, and also use it AFTER WASH.

And here's my suggestion. If you were to start with one product, I would suggest you get the D156 first. Very rarely that you would need to do a round of QD after a good wash unless there's something wrong with your washing. And also a QD won't be able to do much on the appearance side. D156 would be more suited and meaningful to use after a wash, to top up the protection and amp up the gloss. To tell you the truth, before I have the glass coat on my ride(s), I use to top up with one form of spray wax or another *almost* after every wash sweat.gif

And do consider using Optimum No Rinse or DG Rinseless Wash (these two are locally available) if you decide to do those 'in-between wash' cleaning instead of using a QD. They cleans better and *maybe* safer as these were meant to be use as a light wash instead of just for *light* clean up.
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Would ONR makes a good quick detailer as well? Let's say I'm halfway polishing the car at night and would like to continue tomorrow. Dust would accumulate on the paint and I dun like the idea of pulling the car out and wash and dry it again.

Would ONR diluted to QD ratio be ideal for mist and wiping the painted surface?
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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Aug 7 2014, 10:53 AM)
Well...I've been using them (on and off) and a few others for quite some time now.

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Here's my takes on QDs and spray waxes.

I only use QD (M34) for clay lubricant and also (Last Touch) for light cleaning when/if I missed some spots AFTER WASH. I don't feel comfortable using it to 'clean' light dusting after a few days, regardless if the car had been driven or not. I just let it be and leave it that way until my next proper wash.

If I were to do (which I very seldom need to) that kind of 'cleaning', I would prefer to use a 'no-rinse' or 'waterless' product instead. For these, I would alternate between Optimum No Rinse,  Duragloss Rinseless Wash or Megs D114 - Rinse Free Express Wash - my current favourite. These products are more economical to use. I use at 2oz to 1gal dilution (around 1:64) in a spray bottle and spray liberally or at 1oz to 1gal (1:128) if using a wash bucket.

M135 also I only use occasionally for spot removal of stubborn dirt marks or when I see light water spots had started to form AFTER A PROPER WASH. Like I said before, M135/Ultimate Quick Detailer is loaded with solvent and it cleans these type of contaminant really really well. But again, mind you, it could also strip or weaken the existing wax/sealant.

For Ultimate Quick Wax...now...this one is a good topper, and also use it AFTER WASH.

And here's my suggestion. If you were to start with one product, I would suggest you get the D156 first. Very rarely that you would need to do a round of QD after a good wash unless there's something wrong with your washing. And also a QD won't be able to do much on the appearance side. D156 would be more suited and meaningful to use after a wash, to top up the protection and amp up the gloss. To tell you the truth, before I have the glass coat on my ride(s), I use to top up with one form of spray wax or another *almost* after every wash sweat.gif

And do consider using Optimum No Rinse or DG Rinseless Wash (these two are locally available) if you decide to do those 'in-between wash' cleaning instead of using a QD. They cleans better and *maybe* safer as these were meant to be use as a light wash instead of just for *light* clean up.
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QUOTE(thom_chai @ Aug 7 2014, 11:27 AM)
Would ONR makes a good quick detailer as well? Let's say I'm halfway polishing the car at night and would like to continue tomorrow. Dust would accumulate on the paint and I dun like the idea of pulling the car out and wash and dry it again.

Would ONR diluted to QD ratio be ideal for mist and wiping the painted surface?
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Yes. But I do occasionally encountered some minor issues polishing surfaces after using ONR...nothing major...just some minor issues...could be product incompatibility or something.

But for overnight *light* (and unsettled - not sticking to the surface) dust and if you plan to do some polishing afterwards, you don't really have to use the ONR at QD strength. Wash strength in a bucket with a soft mf would do cuz you'd just be needing the lub and not the cleaning strength.
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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Aug 7 2014, 10:53 AM)
And here's my suggestion. If you were to start with one product, I would suggest you get the D156 first. Very rarely that you would need to do a round of QD after a good wash unless there's something wrong with your washing. And also a QD won't be able to do much on the appearance side. D156 would be more suited and meaningful to use after a wash, to top up the protection and amp up the gloss. To tell you the truth, before I have the glass coat on my ride(s), I use to top up with one form of spray wax or another *almost* after every wash sweat.gif

And do consider using Optimum No Rinse or DG Rinseless Wash (these two are locally available) if you decide to do those 'in-between wash' cleaning instead of using a QD. They cleans better and *maybe* safer as these were meant to be use as a light wash instead of just for *light* clean up.
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+1 on all counts. I use Megs D156 on my 2 daily drivers almost weekly, finished a gallon in about a year lol. But some of that was down to poor technique of course (read : Applying UQW ). An equivalent to D156 would be Duragloss #951.

QUOTE(thom_chai @ Aug 7 2014, 11:27 AM)
Would ONR makes a good quick detailer as well? Let's say I'm halfway polishing the car at night and would like to continue tomorrow. Dust would accumulate on the paint and I dun like the idea of pulling the car out and wash and dry it again.

Would ONR diluted to QD ratio be ideal for mist and wiping the painted surface?
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Optimum does list 1:16 dilution as QD, 1:64 as clay lube, here : ONR: The Definitive Guide Have only tried D114 which works well.

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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Aug 7 2014, 11:42 AM)
Yes. But I do occasionally encountered some minor issues polishing surfaces after using ONR...nothing major...just some minor issues...could be product incompatibility or something.

But for overnight *light* (and unsettled - not sticking to the surface) dust and if you plan to do some polishing afterwards, you don't really have to use the ONR at QD strength. Wash strength in a bucket with a soft mf would do cuz you'd just be needing the lub and not the cleaning strength.
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So QD strength is actually lighter than washing strength you mean? Mind sharing what's the dilution ratio for both please? Thanks for the tips btw thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(LazyJin @ Aug 7 2014, 11:51 AM)
+1 on all counts. I use Megs D156 on my 2 daily drivers almost weekly, finished a gallon in about a year lol. But some of that was down to poor technique of course (read : Applying UQW ). An equivalent to D156 would be Duragloss #951.
Optimum does list 1:16 dilution as QD, 1:64 as clay lube, here : ONR: The Definitive Guide Have only tried D114 which works well.
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I see. Thanks for the heads up man.
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QUOTE(KrisMas @ Aug 7 2014, 10:53 AM)
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And here's my suggestion. If you were to start with one product, I would suggest you get the D156 first. Very rarely that you would need to do a round of QD after a good wash unless there's something wrong with your washing. And also a QD won't be able to do much on the appearance side. D156 would be more suited and meaningful to use after a wash, to top up the protection and amp up the gloss. To tell you the truth, before I have the glass coat on my ride(s), I use to top up with one form of spray wax or another *almost* after every wash sweat.gif
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yes i've been thinking the same thing as well... after first proper claying & waxing, if weekly wash the car nice nice, i wouldn't need claying (and therefore needing QD/D155) in a longg time. probably need more UQW/D156 after 2-3 washes to top up shine & wax a bit. hmm.... blush.gif blush.gif

btw, besides the 3 bottle gallon Megs in your picture, noticed your lower rack is FULL of the same bottles.. shocking.gif


QUOTE(LazyJin @ Aug 7 2014, 11:51 AM)
+1 on all counts. I use Megs D156 on my 2 daily drivers almost weekly, finished a gallon in about a year lol. But some of that was down to poor technique of course (read : Applying UQW ). An equivalent to D156 would be Duragloss #951.
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wohh can last a year. good good thumbup.gif

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First time using SmartWax... Easy to apply..and buff/remove. Tried the yellow banana scented one.

Consistent beading..car feels waxed/slick however not as much as others i have tried.|

Bought from ACE.
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QUOTE(efaceninja @ Aug 7 2014, 02:31 PM)
btw, besides the 3 bottle gallon Megs in your picture, noticed your lower rack is FULL of the same bottles.. shocking.gif
That pic was taken quite a few years ago in the store room behind my house. You sure you wanna see/know....? laugh.gif

Here's the cabinet set up under my porch...for the 'regularly used' stuffs....call it a concise version of it..... tongue.gif

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Oh....and while browsing the old pics. I found this one. Here's how I store my clays.

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The white ones are Megs and I think they must have been around 10ys old by now.
Blue is also Megs and the yellow one is Riccardo. The pinkish liquid stuffs that you see inside is M34, to keep the clay moist in storage so that they don't dry up. So far this method worked well for me

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