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Photography The Official Nikon Discussion Thread Ver.23, National Geography edition

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post Dec 29 2013, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(f5calvin @ Dec 29 2013, 01:50 PM)
okay, stupid random question. which to choose for FF (i havent gone to FF yet bt just asking)? 50mm 1.4 or 85mm 1.8? hmm..
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Why not both? laugh.gif
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post Dec 29 2013, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(gunzerdude @ Dec 29 2013, 04:25 PM)
Why not both?  laugh.gif
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Good answer rclxms.gif , it's depend which focal length u like most , in crop i like 50mm most , because it can compress background and focus on ur subject , so when come to FF , 85mmm would be my choice , unlike u really love ur 35mm on CROP body , so 50mm is ur choice


if let me to choose , i will get a 35mm + 85mm for FF body biggrin.gif
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post Dec 29 2013, 07:20 PM

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first time shooting at ISO5000 on 85mm @ 1.8 1/80 shot at raw converted to jpg w/o processing via LR

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QUOTE(gerald7 @ Dec 29 2013, 07:20 PM)
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first time shooting at ISO5000 on 85mm @ 1.8 1/80 shot at raw converted to jpg w/o processing via LR
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taken with what body? So that is ur virgin high iso shot? biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Dec 29 2013, 07:30 PM)
taken with what body? So that is ur virgin high iso shot?  biggrin.gif
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d600 yea.. last time limit was jst 3200 .. last nite .. jst for fun... not too bad I think.. can la.. feels very filem on the raw file..
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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Dec 29 2013, 07:17 PM)
Good answer  rclxms.gif , it's depend which focal length u like most , in crop i like 50mm most , because it can compress background and focus on ur subject , so when come to FF ,  85mmm would be my choice , unlike u really love ur 35mm on CROP body , so 50mm is ur choice
if let me to choose , i will get a 35mm + 85mm for FF body  biggrin.gif
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I already have the 35D and 50D, while my portrait lens is a 90VC, which isn't enough since normal portrait distances gives me F3.3 (The lens stops down when focused closer). Hence thinking of an 85/105/135 to complement that range. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(gerald7 @ Dec 29 2013, 07:35 PM)
d600 yea.. last time limit was jst 3200 .. last nite .. jst for fun...  not too bad I think.. can la.. feels very filem on the raw file..
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Aiyoo , using D600 stil scare to bump iso? biggrin.gif U check out my flickr how many of my photo is taken at 5000 with canon 60D tongue.gif tongue.gif

D600 even at iso 8000 with a little noise reduction stil look good le biggrin.gif , it can't be call as "not too bad" , it's definitely very good le thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(gunzerdude @ Dec 29 2013, 07:38 PM)
I already have the 35D and 50D, while my portrait lens is a 90VC, which isn't enough since normal portrait distances gives me F3.3 (The lens stops down when focused closer). Hence thinking of an 85/105/135 to complement that range.  hmm.gif
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always wondered something. how to know the lens is stopped down? for example when i am using my tammy 70-200 macro, i can focus pretty close and get quite "ok" magnification yet still maintain quick enough shutter speed. but when i am using my friend's 100mm L macro, I feel like it becomes really dark when focused closer at around the same environment with the 70-200. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(mingyuyu @ Dec 29 2013, 07:44 PM)
always wondered something. how to know the lens is stopped down? for example when i am using my tammy 70-200 macro, i can focus pretty close and get quite "ok" magnification yet still maintain quick enough shutter speed. but when i am using my friend's 100mm L macro, I feel like it becomes really dark when focused closer at around the same environment with the 70-200.  rclxub.gif
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When a macro lens magnifies something, the imaging circle is enlarged, resulting in a magnified image reaching the sensor but also meaning that less light is hitting it. The stopping down is just there to represent the light loss as physically the aperture is unchanged.

Edit: about the comparison between a macro lens and a 70-200, that huge barrel and diameter difference means more light, hence the lens being able to maintain it's light levels even when focused to it's nearest distance.

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QUOTE(gunzerdude @ Dec 29 2013, 07:51 PM)
When a macro lens magnifies something, the imaging circle is enlarged, resulting in a magnified image reaching the circle but also meaning that less light is hitting it. The stopping down is just there to represent the light loss as physically the aperture is unchanged.
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i noticed the lens's aperture blades will close a bit as you turn the focus ring into closer focus distance, that's the reason right? also is the 90mm vc good enough for portrait? how different is it compared to something like 50mm f1.8 or 135mm f2.8 lens?
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QUOTE(mingyuyu @ Dec 29 2013, 07:54 PM)
i noticed the lens's aperture blades will close a bit as you turn the focus ring into closer focus distance, that's the reason right? also is the 90mm vc good enough for portrait? how different is it compared to something like 50mm f1.8 or 135mm f2.8 lens?
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Mine does that also, but it's there to maintain an F/2.8 circle since the focal length of a macro lens is changing while getting closer to 1:1. It's really complex, I'm not sure how to explain why either since I know this from a macro article I read sometime back.

The 90mm VC is good enough for portraits, although it might not satisfy bokeh people la. laugh.gif

Compared to the 50mm, it's the aperture and perspective that's different only, still sharp if you stop down.

Same thing with a 105/135, they say these focal lengths gives the most flattering perspective, but I do notice that it doesn't necessarily apply to everyone's face. Some faces actually look better when shot up close with a 50 as opposed to a 90 laugh.gif
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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Dec 29 2013, 07:39 PM)
Aiyoo , using D600 stil scare to bump iso?  biggrin.gif  U check out my flickr how many of my photo is taken at 5000 with canon 60D  tongue.gif  tongue.gif

D600 even at iso 8000 with a little noise reduction stil look good le  biggrin.gif  , it can't be call as "not too bad" , it's definitely very good le  thumbup.gif
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My limit is ISO6400 laugh.gif The noise is acceptable for me icon_rolleyes.gif If no choise, then will bump to H1 cool.gif
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QUOTE(Pro3363 @ Dec 29 2013, 08:10 PM)
My limit is ISO6400  laugh.gif The noise is acceptable for me icon_rolleyes.gif If no choise, then will bump to H1 cool.gif
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Mine old body but 6400 still looks quite fine to me whistling.gif
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sometime don too pixel pipe , if ur picture is good , noise is nothing biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Dec 29 2013, 08:24 PM)
sometime don too pixel pipe , if ur picture is good , noise is nothing  biggrin.gif
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But the prob is when u heavily crop, all the noise come out cry.gif No choice for some pics, cause cant get close enough to the subject...
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Wow, both good shots sifu, lightning is awesome notworthy.gif

EDIT: on the iso topic, i still quite frequently uses my d7000 at iso 6400, haha. better noisy than blur

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