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Photography The Official Nikon Discussion Thread Ver.23, National Geography edition
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Dec 27 2013, 10:56 PM
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Elite
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Dec 28 2013, 11:56 AM
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Dec 28 2013, 11:56 AM
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EDIT : DOUBLE POSTED
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Dec 28 2013, 01:51 PM
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QUOTE(mingyuyu @ Dec 28 2013, 11:56 AM) Too bad didn't get the whole net in focus Double posted, hehe. But nice one, like the sparkle from the web, and the spider looks like a lime. lol! » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Dec 28 2013, 02:17 PM
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Dec 28 2013, 02:17 PM
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Dec 28 2013, 10:16 PM
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Dec 27 2013, 04:08 PM) Read alot of entry level DSLR recommendation threads today... sometime i really wonder if nikon is really using sony sensors, i've seen many sony camera doesn't capture good low light shoots like nikon does Curiously i wonder why ppl seldom recommend Nikon entry level DSLR if compare to Canon and Sony? I read alot of reviews, those in depth analysis, also shown output quality from Nikon is higher than other brands in the same class. The most commendable item for Nikon is hard to learn for newbie in fact they know the quality of Nikon is better. I dun know, before i own my D3200 less than 2 months ago, i have almost near to nil knowledge regarding the relation of exposure, shutter and aperture. But after less than 2 months, i already able to use manual mode now. Almost every night at home since i bought, i will take out my Nikon to play around even though i have nothing special to shoot (Yesterday i check my shutter count, reached 3359 just over 6 weeks), just shoot and compare the difference of each setting, read and understand the histogram, read online guide, read camera magazine (5th issue bought this week). IMO, Nikon menu setup is not as hard as they mentioned, each items has guide on that, just press a little '?' button will do. For me just same as driving a brand new manual car and learn all the characteristic from the feedback of the car. My opinion, if ones feel difficult to learn, is not becos it is difficult, just they dun have enough patient and passion for it. Then i would recommend taking compact cam rather than DSLR, cheap and easy to use. Just my thought. canon lens is cheap because they dont have focus motor inside, but their lens lineup is more like quantity > quality, i heard their 35mm 1.8 prime is really bad at wide open and need to stop down to f2.8 and above what i like about nikon is the dynamic range and the color, tried to do single image HDR on canon and nikon and i like nikon RAW file more and canon having larger user base most likely is because of the advertisement and sponsored event from canon malaysia, you dont really see much nikon sponsored event, even advertisement also not as much as canon QUOTE(mingyuyu @ Dec 27 2013, 05:26 PM) because it's more common lo. just like why most phone shops will recommend samsung/ iphone to people when they want to buy new phone. same logic also, any brand can take good picture, just that you must like the camera you had in your hand. when i bought my 550D last year, i only took like 3-4days to master the buttons/ controls, while with my friend's nikon, i can clearly tell you nikon's menu is a lot more complicated and harder to use for beginner. NEX crappy? i thought nex is better than sony alpha entry level and peoples always talking about nex nex nex samsung actually make better cameras than sony (the NEX is really crappy imo after trying it out). and if you go and check samsung's lenses lineup, there are plenty of good glass from them (85mm f1/4, quality macro with OS etc), while all sony offers to nex is crappy slow zoom. but one thing i dont like about sony dslr is the electronic viewfinder, used too much battery, i've seen some sony user posting in their facebook that their camera can only last for one day for normal usage in event |
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Dec 28 2013, 10:32 PM
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Anyone update D5200 firmware to v1.0.1. Any other improvements beside battery?
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Dec 28 2013, 10:45 PM
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QUOTE(amduser @ Dec 28 2013, 10:16 PM) sometime i really wonder if nikon is really using sony sensors, i've seen many sony camera doesn't capture good low light shoots like nikon does The sensor might come from sony, but the image processing is still by nikon la, plus the fact that sony DSLTs have a translucent mirror in front of the sensor, affecting the quality of the output (The mirror cuts about 30% of light going to the sensor, hence the performance difference)canon lens is cheap because they dont have focus motor inside, but their lens lineup is more like quantity > quality, i heard their 35mm 1.8 prime is really bad at wide open and need to stop down to f2.8 and above what i like about nikon is the dynamic range and the color, tried to do single image HDR on canon and nikon and i like nikon RAW file more and canon having larger user base most likely is because of the advertisement and sponsored event from canon malaysia, you dont really see much nikon sponsored event, even advertisement also not as much as canon NEX crappy? i thought nex is better than sony alpha entry level and peoples always talking about nex nex nex but one thing i dont like about sony dslr is the electronic viewfinder, used too much battery, i've seen some sony user posting in their facebook that their camera can only last for one day for normal usage in event I thought all canon mount lenses have a built in motor? The mount is completely electronic leh, no screw drive like nikon. Nex cameras are quite good, again that's depending on the user comparing it to what first la. Their menu system is too consumer-ish tho, alot of menu diving to do to access some settings, plus some aren't labeled the way you'd expect. This post has been edited by gunzerdude: Dec 28 2013, 10:47 PM |
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Dec 28 2013, 10:50 PM
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QUOTE(gunzerdude @ Dec 28 2013, 10:45 PM) The sensor might come from sony, but the image processing is still by nikon la, plus the fact that sony DSLTs have a translucent mirror in front of the sensor, affecting the quality of the output (The mirror cuts about 30% of light going to the sensor, hence the performance difference) so sony only helped to manufacture the sensor but the architecture is designed by nikon? I thought all canon mount lenses have a built in motor? The mount is completely electronic leh, no screw drive like nikon. Nex cameras are quite good, again that's depending on the user comparing it to what first la. Their menu system is too consumer-ish tho, alot of menu diving to do to access some settings, plus some aren't labeled the way you'd expect. one good thing about nex is it can use lens from nikon, sony and canon with the help of adapter |
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Dec 28 2013, 10:55 PM
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QUOTE(amduser @ Dec 28 2013, 10:50 PM) so sony only helped to manufacture the sensor but the architecture is designed by nikon? Not sure whether the sensor is designed by Nikon or Sony, perhaps it's even a co-design for some of them. one good thing about nex is it can use lens from nikon, sony and canon with the help of adapter A large majority of imaging sensors in the market come from sony, so it makes sense to obtain a sensor from them since the R&D cost required to design and produce them would be extremely high. Canon on the other hand is able to do this since they have much more budget than Nikon due to their larger market presence, but one funny thing is that for an in-house design, it's supposed to be superior to Nikon's outsourced sensors. Yet we see otherwise. Agree with you about the adapters, especially those speed boosters that can even AF with canon lenses This post has been edited by gunzerdude: Dec 28 2013, 10:57 PM |
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Dec 29 2013, 12:03 AM
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QUOTE(amduser @ Dec 28 2013, 10:16 PM) sometime i really wonder if nikon is really using sony sensors, i've seen many sony camera doesn't capture good low light shoots like nikon does no la, canon lenses all have internal built-in motors, that's why you have EF/ EFS lenses thats made for EOS cameras.canon lens is cheap because they dont have focus motor inside, but their lens lineup is more like quantity > quality, i heard their 35mm 1.8 prime is really bad at wide open and need to stop down to f2.8 and above what i like about nikon is the dynamic range and the color, tried to do single image HDR on canon and nikon and i like nikon RAW file more and canon having larger user base most likely is because of the advertisement and sponsored event from canon malaysia, you dont really see much nikon sponsored event, even advertisement also not as much as canon NEX crappy? i thought nex is better than sony alpha entry level and peoples always talking about nex nex nex but one thing i dont like about sony dslr is the electronic viewfinder, used too much battery, i've seen some sony user posting in their facebook that their camera can only last for one day for normal usage in event hmm... but I don't really like NEX at all, last time when I played one at sony store, it just felt cheap and plasticky, not to mention the horrible menu system. not many good lenses available too, it's more aimed to consumer market rather than the pro market. the A7/A7R is a totally different story though |
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Dec 29 2013, 01:17 AM
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QUOTE(amduser @ Dec 28 2013, 10:16 PM) sometime i really wonder if nikon is really using sony sensors, i've seen many sony camera doesn't capture good low light shoots like nikon does Canon doest have 35mm f1.8(u know canon user admirer nikon user to have cheap price 35mm f1.8? How we wish hard canon will build a cheap price of 35mm f1.8) , only 35mm f1.4 L , 35mm f2 and 35mm f2 IS , all this 3 lens is damn sharp even with wide open, and canon lenses all have build in motor , so it can be auto focus in every of canon dslr model even on 1000d unlike nikon entry level which doesnt have a motor in body.canon lens is cheap because they dont have focus motor inside, but their lens lineup is more like quantity > quality, i heard their 35mm 1.8 prime is really bad at wide open and need to stop down to f2.8 and above what i like about nikon is the dynamic range and the color, tried to do single image HDR on canon and nikon and i like nikon RAW file more and canon having larger user base most likely is because of the advertisement and sponsored event from canon malaysia, you dont really see much nikon sponsored event, even advertisement also not as much as canon NEX crappy? i thought nex is better than sony alpha entry level and peoples always talking about nex nex nex but one thing i dont like about sony dslr is the electronic viewfinder, used too much battery, i've seen some sony user posting in their facebook that their camera can only last for one day for normal usage in event Nikon have their own top grade lenses and canon do have too, it's depend which lenses u going to purchase, both have their pros and cons For the camera body, if superior focus system is ur main point and high fps, get the 5dmark3, 1dx , 7d pair with the superior 70-200mm f2.8 mark2 and 24-70 f2.8 mark2 If landscape is ur main point, the d800 is just awesome pairing with the nikon nanocoat ultra wide angle to fully utilize the 36mp, dynami range is awesome too on nikon So its come down to personal preference, get what u need but not what u want Nowaday consumer isnt stupid anymore, advertisment not really help unlike old day, there is so much internet SOS CILI, i would say that canon dslr is actually more user friendly , nikon menu is abit complicated haha. About the nex's series, I personally dont like the nex too besides the nex7, the low end sony nex series is hard to change iso, aperture, ss , need always go thru menu to change it, and finally my fren sold all his lenses, adaptor to fund the fujifilm x-m1 , and he is far more happy and never miss the nex Heard that sony is release the new nex5 right? Not sure the layout and button got improve or not, I found that fujifilm x series and Panasonic Lumia gx7 done a good job, u can stil have Dslr feel after u jumpship to either 1, a camera must have dual dail , else u will face problem when come to A , S or M mode. This post has been edited by chongkiatz: Dec 29 2013, 01:25 AM |
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Dec 29 2013, 01:23 AM
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Also there's a few Canon lenses that are just unique. For example the 135mm F2L, it's one of the best portrait lenses from canon, quite cheap too, below rm3k for brand new. also you have 50mm and 85mm f1.2L which nikon doesn't give. and cheap FF L lenses such as 17-40, 24-105, 70-200 f4, 200 f2.8, which all of them are just around 2k.
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Dec 29 2013, 10:52 AM
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QUOTE(gunzerdude @ Dec 28 2013, 10:55 PM) Agree with you about the adapters, especially those speed boosters that can even AF with canon lenses Are there really an adapter that can AF canon lenses for Nikon? As far as I know there's only one type of adapter that will beep if the subject in focus, but you still have to control the focus manually. |
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Dec 29 2013, 10:59 AM
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Dec 29 2013, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Dec 29 2013, 01:17 AM) Canon doest have 35mm f1.8(u know canon user admirer nikon user to have cheap price 35mm f1.8? How we wish hard canon will build a cheap price of 35mm f1.8) , only 35mm f1.4 L , 35mm f2 and 35mm f2 IS , all this 3 lens is damn sharp even with wide open, and canon lenses all have build in motor , so it can be auto focus in every of canon dslr model even on 1000d unlike nikon entry level which doesnt have a motor in body. but why i dont see much peoples using the canon 35mm? many of them include the beginners they just go for 50mm which i think is too tight for crowded eventNikon have their own top grade lenses and canon do have too, it's depend which lenses u going to purchase, both have their pros and cons For the camera body, if superior focus system is ur main point and high fps, get the 5dmark3, 1dx , 7d pair with the superior 70-200mm f2.8 mark2 and 24-70 f2.8 mark2 If landscape is ur main point, the d800 is just awesome pairing with the nikon nanocoat ultra wide angle to fully utilize the 36mp, dynami range is awesome too on nikon So its come down to personal preference, get what u need but not what u want Nowaday consumer isnt stupid anymore, advertisment not really help unlike old day, there is so much internet SOS CILI, i would say that canon dslr is actually more user friendly , nikon menu is abit complicated haha. About the nex's series, I personally dont like the nex too besides the nex7, the low end sony nex series is hard to change iso, aperture, ss , need always go thru menu to change it, and finally my fren sold all his lenses, adaptor to fund the fujifilm x-m1 , and he is far more happy and never miss the nex Heard that sony is release the new nex5 right? Not sure the layout and button got improve or not, I found that fujifilm x series and Panasonic Lumia gx7 done a good job, u can stil have Dslr feel after u jumpship to either 1, a camera must have dual dail , else u will face problem when come to A , S or M mode. when i ask them why choose 50 instead of 35 they say 35 is not sharp unlike 50 |
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Dec 29 2013, 11:38 AM
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QUOTE(amduser @ Dec 29 2013, 11:23 AM) but why i dont see much peoples using the canon 35mm? many of them include the beginners they just go for 50mm which i think is too tight for crowded event I think u mean the canon ef 28mm f1.8 USM izit? This lens is expensive and soft wide open, stop down to f2.8 isnt that good too.when i ask them why choose 50 instead of 35 they say 35 is not sharp unlike 50 Normally canon user go 50mm f1.8 is because it is the most cheap and sharp lens, there is canon 35mm f2 with noisy focus motor, the bokeh is sux, and the price is arouns rm1k++ while nikon 35mm f1.8 is with silent motor, better bokeh at rm600+ only So for a beginner or hobbyist, to get canon 35mm u got 3 choice 35mm f1.4 L which is rm4k+ 35mm f2 need rm1k+ with stupid noisy focus motor + harsh bokeh , but the optics is as good as L 35mm f2 IS which need nearly rm2k too So it already can conclude that there is no good value for canon 35mm version, we really wish canon can come out the 35mm f1.8 at around rm600++ too U also can see why nikon user normally will have 35mm f1.8 with them because nikon 50mm f1.8 new version is expensive , but its more better build with better bokeh. The nikon old 50mm f1.8 is expensive than the canon version as while and the performance is not better or maybe just on pair with the cheapo canon 50mm f1.8 That why I say its depend on which lens u purchase, there is pros and cons for each other, just get which is within ur budget and which lens u need This post has been edited by chongkiatz: Dec 29 2013, 07:13 PM |
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Dec 29 2013, 01:50 PM
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okay, stupid random question. which to choose for FF (i havent gone to FF yet bt just asking)? 50mm 1.4 or 85mm 1.8? hmm..
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Dec 29 2013, 01:52 PM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « yeah canon doesnt have decent cheap 35mm or 30mm..dno what to recommend my fren so ended up asking him to take 50mm 1.8 II |
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