I am not a Muslim, pork is never part of my bodybuilding diet. I prefer to eat beef, chicken and fish. You could opt for more mutton and beef in red meat. They are damn good bodybuilding food. Better than white meat.

I alternate when having chicken and tofu, and will switch to beef and fish the next day, From what i may remember, beef helps recover the muscles also while having a good amount of nutrition to bring up the testosterone in males.

but i thought almonds are the best type of nuts to eat? and what abt mayo, is it reali unhealthy?

and i thought u get salmonella poisoning from eating raw eggs? can anyone address this?

oh oh, and finally, is peanut butter good?

This post has been edited by sanesaint: Jun 10 2008, 03:45 PM

dead right
White meats are ordinary to say the least I grew up on pork so loooove it, but it is certainly NOT necessary for losing weight or building muscle,
also you can give the milo a miss , I drink lots of soda water as my replacement for carbonated drinks, though I prefer sparkling mineral water, it is hard to get in Penang at least, dont like driving all the way to tesco for the french stuff. Too lazy

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Added on June 10, 2008, 3:47 pmGive the tofu a miss, it is not a very good food and is not a substitue for decent protein, at best it is incomplete protein. At worst it mimics female hormones and for someone trying to build muscle that has got to be a no no
Beef is great, no doubt about it, bit if you want to increase natural hormones nothing beats eating lots of eggs, you can alternate daily or weekly, I go for three weeks or so eating lots of eggs then ease off a bit, I also ease off on weekends when I don't work out.

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Added on June 10, 2008, 3:52 pm


Nuts for the most part are Ok snacks, but that is about all.


I have been eating raw eggs on a daily basis (between 6-30 odd) for the last 7 years, and have had no case of salmonella, another vegetarian myth.



Not really, peanuts are fairly high carb, check the label, you will find the peanut butter generally has added sugar.





This post has been edited by gleko: Jun 10 2008, 03:52 PM

Alrite, will think about skipping tofu. I checked the box and that whole thing only constitutes to only 13.8 grams of protein. Much more dissapointing than eating 4 slices of wholemeal bread.

But as I bulk, taking out rice in the equation should be ok rite?I mean, I dun feel like having much of it, but just to tell the body to utilise the carbs first, then take away the fats I'm eating in.

Real mayo is good, don't get those low fat craps.

Your toilet will call for you when you get salmonella poisoning. Choose the fresh eggs not those near expired ones.
Check for fungus b4 buying. Some are contaminated with fungus on the shell.

reali? but the peanut butter brand tht i got has onli 6g of carbs per 32gs... and it doesnt have sugar or trans fats.

and what brand of mayo shud i get?

This post has been edited by sanesaint: Jun 10 2008, 04:13 PM

Doesn't matter what brand as long as it is written real mayo.
Peanut butter should be fine if no sugar is added.

This post has been edited by 4Rings: Jun 10 2008, 04:19 PM

1tray =30 eggs (normal type) omega3 is too expensive for my budget
this will last only for 3days for me
every week 2x i need to go to the shop to buy the eggs
i just go straight to the counter and they know what i need.......EGGS!
to avoid this i started to buy 2 tray now from the same shop to avoid buying the eggs to frequent
last week the shop owner ask me, are you eating all the eggs or doing business(food stall)?
i just laughed and say im doing business

4rings how do you buy and store large quantity of eggs

I buy the omega and free range types. Free range eggs cost 45sen to 50sen depending on area.
I normally keep them in the fridge. I would suggest you to buy 1 tray at a time. You'll get fresh eggs the next time you buy unless you keep all the eggs in the fridge.

Not sure if I understand you correctly here kyo, but if I am right my answer will make sense and if not, maybe not;-)

There is no problem taking the rice out of your diet, your body does not need it, but altogether you can take around 30-70 grams of carbs a day without worrying and will still lose fat and gain muscle. As 4 rings mentioned before, you can go down to 30 grams a day without problem, (I know a guy who regularly has around 20grams of carbs a day). Personaly I am on average around 50 grams a day. remember yoghurt and cream also have some carbs so check how much you are having. Fat is a great source of energy (animal fats not man made oils like sunflower oils) some olive oil and coconut oil which is a great source of energy and good to take for energy just before a workout (30 mins or so).
If you take in too much fat, -as long as you aren't taking many barbs, you will just pass the fat through your body. It will help you poop better but not much more. So don't take away the fats, not the animal fats of coconut oil, eat lots of butter and cream.

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Added on June 11, 2008, 9:28 amDo you know where to get free range in Penang? I have not seen them anywhere, I have seen organic but am not impressed, as they only feed them vegetarian stuff and chickens are omnivores, like us.

Kyo
Eggs will keep out of the fridge, for up to a month (from time of laying to time of going off) as long as they haven't been sitting in the market for too long, you will not have to worry about storing them also as long as they don"t get taken in and out of the fridge long enough to get wet from humidity, as this causes the protective coating to wash off. Which is why you don't want to buy eggs that have been washed as they go off very quickly.



This post has been edited by gleko: Jun 11 2008, 09:28 AM

@gleko, thanks. Point taken and understood firmly. haha. Will begin taking lower carbs. I dun feel like having a belly anymore, and I noe that's all the fats that I stored. Thanks again.

Gleko,

I don't stay in Penang. If you happen to be in KL, Pasar Road sell free range at the lowest price. I believe they are free range because the yolk is darker in color and it doesn't have the fishy smell if taken raw. The commercial eggs taste aweful in raw. I can't swallow them.

Keeping the eggs out of fridge for a week should be fine. I prefer to buy in small quantity. In fact I prefer raw eggs out of fridge. Refrigerated eggs taste one kind. I don't eat eggs regularly now that's the reason why the eggs are refrigerated. I have tons of whey to drink. They have been kept too long past the expiry date. Gotta finish them quick.

BTW I eat omega eggs because they are closer to free range. Easy to get and quality is better than commercial eggs.
No doubt the chicks are vegetarian fed but the foods they eat are better than the commercial ones at least they are free from antibiotic.
Only the sick chicks were treated with antibiotic as opposed the commercial ones. The manager from one of the farms assured me that, well...assuming that he is not lying.

This post has been edited by 4Rings: Jun 11 2008, 10:18 AM

i reali like this high fat high protein low carb diet. i feel more energetic and i feel full at all times. just one question, can i eat as much fat as i want on this diet or do i have to somehow limit my intake?

Hey 4 rings, I also keep my eggs in the fridge before using them, I eat lots of raw eggs so like them cold, I just rotate them from the shelf to the fridge. I prefer the omega eggs as well, but would prefer free range if they are free ranged where they can forage fr bugs etc. I know I can get free range chickens here but i eat very little chicken so can't be bothered with them.


Hey Kyo
as long as you have dropped your carbs then you can eat as much fat as you like, again as long as it is NOT vegetable oil (except olive iol and Coconut oil). In fact the problem you may find is getting enough fat not getting too much. If you overeat fat then you will just have an easy time in the toilet

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Added on June 11, 2008, 10:38 amWhoops that should have been to sanesaint, sorry


This post has been edited by gleko: Jun 11 2008, 10:38 AM

Fat makes you feel full and also makes the food tastier. A lot better than eating low fat craps.

I used to take raw eggs till i got salmonella one day, thats it.

You must have taken a rotten one. Haha

why even take it raw? it has higher bv cooked

Some say cooked is better and some say raw is better.
From my experience cooked eggs take longer time to digest, particularly hard boiled ones.
When I take raw ones, I get hungry very fast, meaning fast digestion.
And also I can push harder when training.

That's my opinion. I could be wrong.
I asked a few experts and they said raw is better.