Microwave alters the chemical structure of the food thus making them empty food. I have thrown away my microwave oven.

This post has been edited by 4Rings: Jun 9 2008, 05:10 PM

Empty food would mean no nutritional value whatsoever?

Yeah. There was a true story behind this.
Many years ago, this Hong Kong family microwaved most of their meals from breakfast to dinner.
Over a period of time the whole family kena cancer.
Not only the food has no more nutrition value, the food is changed chemically.

There were many cases on the danger of microwave oven. In Holistic Medicine, microwave cooking is a No No.
You know when I learned about this, I had just bought a microwave oven. It was so convenient to cook food.
Gotta chuck away to a relative.

My gf has been wanting one due to how easy it cooks. She says its almost similar to a refrigerator. Sad part was that I couldn't prove her wrong on the refrigerator, as her argument is one colds the food, the other heatens it.

Hurm...

Some may not agree with it. Well..I have asked some of the Naturopaths and they all are against the use of microwave oven.

I won't make it a point to frequently use a microwave oven. But I much prefer heating using a steamer or the oven itself.

how about grilling chicken? does this mess up the protein/biological value in any way?

and i've this old school toaster/oven were its like a box and u put ur stuff on a tray, close the oven and presto ure heating up whatever it is ure heating up. does it mess up the food's protein value?

No problem with grilling or conventional oven provided don't over cook the food.

My basic diet is pretty much the same all year round, though varies in food amounts when I am able to train hard and heavy, (heavy is a relative term and applies to MY version of heavy ) or when I am trying to add some extra muscle rather than just maintain. I have been basically doing maintenance training for the last several years due to family and business constraints.

Currently I am attempting to get back some strength so concentrating on a pretty much strength workout, my diet is generally as follows,

Wake up and have 4 eggs, cream maybe one scoop of low carb yoghurt (good yoghurt is low carb)

workout 1.5 -2 hours later

eat bacon REAL sausage and a couple of eggs have a 4 egg shake with cream and perhaps little yoghurt.

Lunch is generally steak with lots of butter I never get lean cuts.

Mid afternoon, 6 eggs cream- yoghurt ( I only have a small scoop of yoghurt for flavour)

eat dinner which is usually steak but my wife sometimes makes some sort of chicken or pork dish with lots of low carb veges (generally fried in butter)

Before going to bed I have a 4-6 egg shake as before. Usually half an hour before bed.

I take liver tablets as supplements about 12 a day
3-6 1000mg tabs of natural cod liver oil (great for muscle repair and joint repair)
vit C twice a day,

I mix that up with crackling that I make myself, I have a great recipe, crackling is good for your skin and your joints as well as being a great chip like snack food

Sometimes I throw a few Bluberries or strawberries in the shake to break things up (ten fresh blueberries have 1 gram of carb and have lots of vit c.

Veges i eat are mostly cruciferous (cauliflower, broccoli, etc and lots of green leafy veges)

I am a very hard gainer and never made a lot of progress for years until I stopped reading the stupid magazines and started following pre steroid advice.
My hero as far as bodybuilding advice goes is VInce Gironda, way ahead of his time and still is. Even though he died in '98

Eggs are the king of food and if I could get free range (mainly because shed bread chickens have low vitamin D due to the lack of sunlight) I would eat a pack of those a day.

My kids live on this and they are not only healthy but dont"t jump all over the place and can both be talked to very easily and have the ability to concentrate. My kids have more carbs than I do, I can't expect them to be as strict as I am but I don"t feel the need to struggle to stay on this diet and it is the same diet if you want to gain muscle or lose fat, Your body will adjust to it"s right fat setting, no need to bother balancing anything. If you were competing on this diet you would only need to add a bit of cardio or just up your sets just before the comp to get down to the weight you want and NO water retention (which is caused by carb loading and not from fat or protein) and best of all, better muscle retention.

On fridays we have a carb night, I make Pizza using Tortilla sheets from Cold Storage put some medium mexican sauce cheese, fried mince and bacon and chilis or other types of toppings and have home made icecream for dessert. My training partner came up with a great idea for low carb dessert, get a no carb can of drink, get 150mls of hot water mix in 1 tablespoon of gelatine powder, mix it all up and wait for it to set, add some cream. My kids love it.
On carb night these days I have to be careful not to eat too many carbs or I am on the toilet and feel sick all weekend. Much like an unwanted hangover.

I also drink two cups of coffee a day with lots of cream, I like sugar in my coffee still so I count that as part of my carb allowance (30-70grams or so a day) If I feel like going crazy occassionally on carbs i do, but I usually regret it the next day. I have never regretted the extra order of pork at the Korean BBQ restaurant though;-)

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Added on June 9, 2008, 11:05 pmMuch better way to reheat, I am too lazy so I just throw everything in the frypan for a few mins


This post has been edited by gleko: Jun 9 2008, 11:05 PM

Yeah, I had that clarified with some research shortly after posting that. Plus, I was gaining fat around the waistline. Thanks for pointing that out I'd already forgot that I posted that.

And thank you for all your myth clarifying posts! This thread definitely needs more contributors like you. Really provided lots of useful info and insight. I didn't know about the vegetarian diet issue though.

Btw, your diet seems to have loads of cream and butter. Wondering if that has any negative health effects due to high saturated fat content etc?

Also, from what I know, carbs is the body's preferred source of energy, so to speak. By cutting carbs out of one's diet, does it affect energy levels during workout/daily activities? Like start to feel sluggish etc?

Thanks in advance!

This post has been edited by kege: Jun 9 2008, 11:52 PM

I was on a vegetarian diet for almost 2 years. I can tell you now it sucks. According to neutral researchers tribal/ native people that ate hi saturated fat (red meat) diet thru out their lives had no health complications. Google Weston Price.

I was on 30g carb diet for 3 months (for experiment purpose). Food composition was 65% fat, 30% protein and 5% carb. No vege at all. Just a few slices of cucumber a day. Plenty of ghee for cooking. Energy and strength levels were great. Not only I gained strength and muscle mass, I was ultra ripped too.

i just had a low carb pancake for breakfast. the ingredients were basically 6 whole eggs, 2/3 cups of cream, and 2 tablespoons of olive oil. it was goood stuff......

This post has been edited by sanesaint: Jun 10 2008, 08:00 AM

4 rings basically gave you your answer
however, if you go away from the idea that cholesterol causes problems, then you also have to leave behind the idea (bad theory bad science) that saturated fats are bad for you. Fats have been lumped together as all bad and therefore healthy fats, the ones we have lived on for tens of thousands of years, animal fats, have been given a bad rap.
It takes about 5-7 days to clear your body of carbs while changing over to using fat as your main source of energy. On day 5 or so you may feel sluggish, but after that, better energy levels and longer lasting energy levels. Back in the 60's at the Olympics there was a guy from Kenya I believe, who won the marathon, with, it seemed, energy to spare. When interviewed about what he did to cope with the
problem of breaking through the wall, ( a common problem for people silly enough to participate in this mad so called sport) he had no idea what they were talking about. He ran, and ran until he finished and never had the energy problem of a lot of runners because he never ate carbs, so never had to change from burning sugar to burning fat as an energy source. Breaking through teh pain barrier for runners is a carb problem, they have to change from sugar burning to fat burning for energy.

there are no essential carbs, none zero, zip, zilch, nadda. If you take protein out of your diet, you body will eventually consume your muscle stores until you become a cripple, if you have seen starving kids in africa, they have distended stomachs and skinny legs, this is a side effect of lack of protein, they evenutally lose the ability to walk as the body slowly consumes it's protein stores in order to keep the brain alive. Similar problem with no fat in your diet, however, take carbs out of your diet and nothing happens. Your body can burn ketones for energy and make glucose from fat in the liver to transport to places it is needed in the body. fat is a cleaner burning energy and longer burning.
North American Indians would begin to panic (and feel sick) if they had to live on low fat rabbit meat for more than a week, which is why I never buy chicken breast as it has no fat and is all but useless. Chicken is way too lean for me, except for the drumsticks and wings and the lovely lovely skin.
Fat soluble vitamins are by definition, available in the fat, and if you eat green leafy vegetables without fat then you get very few of the vitamins and none of the fat soluble vitamins.
If you are getting enough fat and protein, you don't really even need to eat veges, I do because they are available, but I certainly don't panic if I don't get them. I try to eat liver occasionally as it is FULL of vitamins and minerals. Except for a few strawberries and blueberries I never eat fruit, which is just sugar in a skin.

So yes loads of cream and butter, two very healthy foods. Cooking with butter there is nothing better. I buy the cheap butter to cook with and the expensive very yellow butter to eat with my cod liver oil supplements. According to Weston Price (westonprice.org) eating cod liver oil with butter makes it more bio available and useful.

eat lots of butter, it won"t hurt you WILL help you and will help drop your fat stores, Olive oil is Ok but butter an animal fats are way better. Go to the market and buy the cut off fat from the pork they sell in packets and use it for cooking as well. Eggs in pork fat is so tasty, and so is steak. It use to be called suet.

Wow all this before I work out, gotta go lift some weights to get my strength back up to what it was years ago.

It is not too late to enjoy good tasty food. Try with coconut oil. It tastes jolly good.

@gleko, so u wud actually recommend cutting down on the rice and start adjusting to have more fats being taken into the system? That sounds good. The only thing I'm concerned of is the fact that my training is insufficient to compensate on the calories that I should be.

Whats ur view on that?

coconut oil? haha i dunno about tht. but i've got this book named 'tnt diet' and its full of good recipes for low carb dieters. in fact, i'm gonna try this almond crusted chicken recipe.

just asking, is mayonnaise reali bad for health? i onli take once in a while, but just curious....

oh and is vadai masala carbs? im asking cuz its made from kacang kuda, which is a type of nut, but now my co-worker said its made of kacang kuda "flour". so is it carbs or fats?

This post has been edited by sanesaint: Jun 10 2008, 11:06 AM

Oppss, i eat eggs cooked using microwave almost everyday since last month!WTF??
now have to change the way i prepare my egg intake or use whey....

[quote=4Rings,Jun 10 2008, 09:01 AM]It is not too late to enjoy good tasty food.   Try with coconut oil. It tastes jolly good.

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Yeah that saturated fat stuff tastes damn fine

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Added on June 10, 2008, 1:16 pm[quote=Kyoyagami,Jun 10 2008, 09:16 AM]@gleko, so u wud actually recommend cutting down on the rice and start adjusting to have more fats being taken into the system? That sounds good. The only thing I'm concerned of is the fact that my training is insufficient to compensate on the calories that I should be.

Whats ur view on that?

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You are in luck. More on this later.
Firstly I don't recommend anything because I am not only not a medical Dr. (unlike a Dr I find time to think for myself hehehe) But I am a born again non vegetarian AHhahahaa.
Carbs = fat, because carbs ARE sugar, if you think sugar is a good form of energy then rice is fine. I avoid as many carbs as possible, but I also take the view that I need to adjust as best I can in given circumstances, for example. Last week i was in phuket with my cousins, they eat lots of crap and my nurse cousin is horrified at my diet, though she is only five years older than me and very fat, I am the unhealthy one. we ate at a couple of restaurants for lunch i ordered a hamburger, ate the salad, the meat and one bite of the bun. I prepared for the lunch by scoffing 9 eggs for breakfast, knowing I wouldn"t be very hungry at lunch. But if I could not have gotten the eggs for brekkie I would have eaten the whole burger. No problem.
back to your question and the in luck bit.
Firstly the best thing about eating like this is.... drum roll please....
You don't even have to work out to lose weight (weight being another word for FAT), you can sit on your bum all day and do nothing and still lose weight(fat). Because you will be burning the excess fat on your body. Humans are the only animals in nature that seem to think counting calories is necessary in order to keep their weight(fat) down. Animals eat to their hearts content and when on a natural diet NEVER become overweight. I have owned dogs all my life bred them trained them etc. and when they are eating meat (their natural diet, they are carnivores unlike us humans omnivores) they never get fat, even as they age. Dogs, after humans that is, are the laziest creatures around, let a dog sleep for three days and he will.
When you first start eating like this, make sure you have plenty of snack foods, as the carb cravings can be pretty strong, eat often and try to eat BEFORE you get hungry.
One of the things that happen when eating fat and protein as your main sources of energy, something that should interest all those wishing to have a good physique, is that your stomach shrinks. Fat may be heavy on calories, but it is the only way your body knows when it has eaten enough. This concentrated food allows your body to eventually stop eating as much as you use to and in fact becomes a low calorie way of eating.
One study I read that was trying to prove that eating complex carbs was better than eating high fat atkins type diets (Atkins doesn't have enough fat), found after a year that people on theAtkins type diet lost more weight and stayed on the diet longer, and one complaint from one of the guys performing the study was that this only happened because the Atkins diet ended up being lower in calories than the other two diets. Wow, how silly is that, it only worked because they ate less and didn't have to try as hard. HAhahaa
The amount I put down that I eat is way way way more than I need to function and maintain muscle, but the goal for me is not maintainence but muscle growth. eating excess protein, that is, protein more than needed to maintain health and current muscle mass, does little to change ones strength but does increase muscle growth, something bodybuilders have known since at least the 1940's. I actually have to force myself to eat and I still don't put on extra fat. I also don't train very much, currently I am trying to build back strength so am concentrating on that for the next few months at least so my workouts are very short indeed. Around 15 mins. But on this diet and exercise I have gained back nearly 4 kg, very little if any is fat and this was in around 6 weeks.

When i was a vegetarian I lost muscle mass and strength in droves but blamed myself because of the hype surrounding that load of garbage fobbed off on us as nutritional knowledge. After I stopped eating like a cow and started eating like a human I gained muscle mass and strength in droves.
So in short, yes dump the rice and eat good wholesome foods such as

Pork crackling made at home
Sausages from the non halal section of the market, (not the pretend meats in the other section)
Beef (the fatty cuts)
Pork is a great food, eat lots of it.
chicken (wings and drumsticks and the skin) leave the breasts for the low fat freaks who like losing muscle
Eggs if you have to throw something away throw away the white, all the goodness is in the yolk, eggs are close to being a perfect food, though ONLY from chickens that get sunlight, (not available here in Penang)
low carb yoghurt
Cheese (natural cheese not processed)
Full Cream, NOT milk,
Green leafy vegetables,
cruciferous vegetables ( broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage)
Some blueberries and strawberries
cook with butter or pork fat when you can, I always fry my kids eggs in my bacon fat, they loooove it. My ten year old eats 4 eggs for breakfast and is skinny as a rake.

Doctors are a breed apart, they tell you that to lose weight you should eat like a cow, (cows eating grains look pretty fat to me) To cure a fatty liver you should eat grains (the French force feed geese grains in order to give them fatty livers for their liver pate)
To cure IBS (irritable bowel syndrome) you should eat grains, and by much of the research it would seem that the cause of IBS is eating grains and fiber- a non food for humans.
So it seems that Doctors tell you the best way to cure many of your problems is to keep doing that which caused it in the first place, and then when you get worse, (like overweight people) they blame you. You don't have enough restraint HAhahah what a life they have, nothing is their fault and it is all your fault.

If you eat this way and watch the carb intake (all carbs are equal all carbs are sugar) 30-70 grams a day max then you will begin to burn fat and gain muscle unless you have some physical ailment that stops you from doing so, like a thyroid problem.

But research it yourself DON'T believe me, try it see how it works and look at the infor yourself, and READ the reports they send out. Don't rely on someone ele's opinion of what was in the study. recently I was looking at a report hat showed conclusivley that people who eat more than two eggs or so a day lived shorter lives than those who didn't eat many eggs. What they failed to point out was many of the people in the study that ate eggs also smoked and led a sedentary lifestyle were overweight and had a number of other bad habits, but it was the frikkin eggs that killed em.

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Added on June 10, 2008, 1:23 pm[quote=kege,Jun 9 2008, 11:52 PM]

And thank you for all your myth clarifying posts! This thread definitely needs more contributors like you. Really provided lots of useful info and insight. I didn't know about the vegetarian diet issue though.[/QUOTE]
I don't know about that 4 rings seems pretty switched onto this stuff.

[QUOTE]Btw, your diet seems to have loads of cream and butter. Wondering if that has any negative health effects due to high saturated fat content etc?[/QUOTE]
Ah, how hard these myths die, saturated fats are only unhealthy if they raise your cholesterol and make you fat. That is, they are supposedly a danger for raising your cholesterol and clogging up your arteries, if this is not true then they are no problem. So eat them to your hearts content and beyong, without carbs in your diet they can not be tranferred as body fat, excess fat, as I mentioned before, will pass out with your poopy.

[QUOTE]Also, from what I know, carbs is the body's preferred source of energy, so to speak. By cutting carbs out of one's diet, does it affect energy levels during workout/daily activities? Like start to feel sluggish etc?[/QUOTE]
Carbs ARE NOT the body's preferred energy source, if that were true why do we store fat and not carbs? Carbs are stored mainly as fat there are almost (READ ALMOST) no sugar stores in your body and the liver can more than cope with making any sugar your body needs from fat and protein. Workouts will not only NOT suffer, but will be better than ever. In the first week getting off carbs you may feel sluggish but that is the body switching to it's preferred energy source, the stored fat in your body.

Thanks in advance!

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This post has been edited by gleko: Jun 10 2008, 01:23 PM

Hi friend, our body doesn't count calories. Just eat as much fat as you can. As long as you keep your carbs very low, you can't gain a gram of body fat. Even a couch potato on hi fat diet will lose weight...lose fats. No exercise is required.

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Added on June 10, 2008, 2:11 pmKacang kuda contains hi level of carbs. I used to eat a lot and I gained fat. The best nut to take is macadamia nut. Hi in fat and low in carbs but damn expensive.

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Added on June 10, 2008, 2:13 pmEat raw egg la, it is better than whey.

This post has been edited by 4Rings: Jun 10 2008, 02:13 PM

@gleko, sadly, since i'm a muslim, i'd have to rule out the pork part. haha. But not to worry, i think can take time to read and experiment myself various combinations of food and drinks intake. I want to see how long I can resist temptation not drinking carbonated drinks and go with water, milk, milo, coffee, and orange juice all the way.