Agree.On XP,2GB is more then good enough.I think XP is still the best os and suit my need well with a good benchmarking time,no need to jump bot first Look at all WR,i think none of them use vista other then 3dmark vantage as far as i know :hehe:And i can't even utilize 2GB fully with COD4 SP,Firefox 3,massanger,skype,utorrent running at the same time in XP

This post has been edited by OC4/3: Jun 26 2008, 07:48 PM

i just want to ask, do team extreem ddr800 still carry micron d9? im planning to buy these pair this week..

yes they are confirmed d9gmh kits always have been and will never change

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Added on June 26, 2008, 8:21 pmone more thing gamer, they are binned at cl4, which is average compared to the teams that were binned at cl3.. for ddr2 800 BUt nevertheless, you can still do impressive cl4 speeds but with higher voltages.

This post has been edited by a1098113: Jun 26 2008, 08:21 PM

thanks for d reply, saw ur team xtreem at ur siggy . btw im aiming for ddr1000 cl4 or 5,4,4,15 or sumthing like that. hope it doesnt crap out like my previous tracer's. can ur team hit cl4 at ddr1000 regardless d voltage ?

This post has been edited by gamers maniac: Jun 26 2008, 08:46 PM

well it does take some voltage once u hit the cl4 1000 onwards.. but seriously its a gorgeous ram for its price...

some GEM u got there... wish i had those kits...

yep... different ppl, different needs. even vista do eats LOTs of RAM, 2GB for gaming in vista is not bad either, google yourself about 2gb vs 4b vista gaming, diff only minimal and im talking about less than 3%, and about +-5 FPS difference. human eye still cant see the difference.

when gaming, we are talking about FRAMERATE, not how much ur system utilize the ram. U guys might want to remember that.



Why is 4gb nuts? 1gb is about the standard now and 2gb is much more popular, so what' nuts about it? is it more nuts than two video cards in sli? or quad cores? heck what about the famed PPU?

again i don't defend all aspects of the os, but there are some things i see as necessary to move things forward. and since it's not on the shelves yet, all else seems to be speculation.

hopefully the whole eula matter gets cleared up, otherwise i doubt many people will switch, which would be a shame because otherwise it seems like it's going to be a nice step forward.

ram usage should be brought under control, but by everyone, not just ms, practically every piece of software out there is bloated to some degree, why?

cuz ram is cheap!
high resolution gaming relies on GPU's ram. Higher amount of ram on ur graphic card will allow u to run higher resolution with ease..

This post has been edited by BlackThyra87: Jun 26 2008, 10:19 PM

i think what cstkl1 meant is that having 4GB ram does support heavy softwares and increasing capacity to handle heavy apps. Even though framerates matter in gaming, ur missing an important point here. The OS still needs the memory to run this games. So though your GC gives u excellent framerates, still needs the memory... so having enough register spaces would give the edge, and no latency.

hmm....i manage to hit 980mhz 4-4-4-10 on my xtreem with 2.2v ..hehe...so u sure can one la

its in teh garage sales now

it can b lower with cl3 binned team extreems... but its too expensive to get that.. i manage to hit 1044Mhz on cl4 at 2.35V

one Q here, what is the pros and cons for setting divider to 1:1 and 5:6..?
thanks...

imo i believe xtreem can go higher than that but with maybe 2.3-2.4vdimm

oh no...
did u mean u won't feels any lag, when ram usage hit 99% ?
so, u think got a bad-ass gtx280 won't have any lag on 99% ram usage, due to the graphic card too powerful?

in general,
ppl go for 4gb when their ram usage frequently hit >90% when using 2gb.
ppl don't go for 4gb, for what u said "3% diff / +-5 FPS"

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guys, u should try vista 1st before saying 1gb / 2 gb is enough.
even my lappy's on vista home, fresh boot to window.. already hoggs 1gb ram usage.
if i were to open another few apps. & play new titles game on it.
what makes u think 2gb is enough for gaming on vista?

yes, it's enough to play solitaire.. though

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and yes, i agree 2gb is enough on winxp in general.
though mine goes over 2gb usage when running 2 smp folding, firefox, msn, online game.

*DO note that the usage that i'm implicating is with the virtual mem. turned to off.
as i want snappy performance on my daily alt-tab out tab in, etc.

1~2GB certainly is not enough for Vista if youre running heavy on apps...like smp folding, online gaming and browsing thru internet. It will sure hit the 2GB or more mark.. Still, im sure 2GB can run on Vista if u manage your system well.

just to add,

my desktop is running winxp,
"though mine goes over 2gb usage when running 2 smp folding, firefox, msn, online game."
that's for winxp.

how much ram does your SMP folding take up? coz im also using 2GB and i use less than 1.5GB at most...

on fresh boot to window, launch two smp client (p2665)
it'll be 1.4gb+ used.

if it's p2665 + p2653 , then it'll be 1.2gb
but nowadays.. almost everytime both gets p2665.

my current usage is 1.86gb
with 2x smp, firefox, ttplayer, fahmon, ..
others are background.. , those kapersky, fahremote, etc. etc.

i guess having the smp really does suck up your system.. unlike mine. only for web surfing and vb.net apps.

Nvidia gpu2 don't suck up my ram.Only about ~30MB.
AFAIK,Team Xtreem 1066 is better bin then Team Xtreem 800mhzC4.

speaking ram utilisation, i got a interesting question here. In 32bit OS, we know only 3+gb of the 4gb is available to be use, so there are some remain.

my question is will the remaining ram capacity suffer some sort of degradtion as it not being used ? I'm not sure how the ram utilisation is spread between the ram chip itself, so it may happen some ram chip is not working at all, or all the chips are working randomly.

BTW those review on 2gb vs 4gb, i notice usually the benching rig does not have much background program running like most user did,

u guys CLEARLY dont understand on how windows manage system memory.

i will say no more. do read my previous post.

lol.

the remaining ram that is unaddressable by windows is being used for windows IO mappings. more detailed explanations can be found here http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929605

i dont see why there should be any performance degradation because windows still at least 3.2GB of available system memory.

haha thats why its called Random access memory. everything that we run in windows is stored temporarily in the ram for quicker access and located in random places in the ram address space.

This post has been edited by BlackThyra87: Jun 27 2008, 01:03 PM