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post Jan 23 2021, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Jan 12 2021, 06:16 PM)
this is limpet or i call it as garden snails, they will breed in no time and flood your tank.

nothing bad, just an eye sore to me at least. It would be better if you kill them off.

i don't like all these pest snails. it comes together from your plant, most likely.

So it's important to either:

1. get tissue cultured plant, or
2. quarantine and kill off all the pests in the newly acquired plants before placing them into your tank.
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QUOTE(tachlio @ Jan 14 2021, 07:00 PM)
harmless but I dont like it lay egg around the glass...
and it will breed like crazy

Nowaday, when I took new plant in, I quarantine with plant with snail medic for 2 day before putting to my tank.
(do take note, anything kill snail also kill shrimp, so rinse throughly)
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its tiresome to kill them
used no planaria but no effect
now manually removing them daily
dry.gif

QUOTE(blizzardcarl92 @ Jan 13 2021, 05:38 PM)
hey guys, is there any PRL keepers here? just wondering how long does it take for the eggs to hatch? mine seems to take forever sweat.gif

here some pics of them!

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very fat
what do u feed them ?

QUOTE(tehoice @ Jan 15 2021, 09:22 PM)
It's very easy to breeddd!!!!
no worries, they would breed in no time....
Here's some of my shrimpsss

Part 1
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no need plants in yr part 2 tank
they can breed too ?
wow
what r those fuzzy things they r eating ?

QUOTE(calvinzai @ Jan 22 2021, 11:16 AM)
Hi all. Nice to meet shrimp keepers here. My humble shrimps

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saw these galaxies at the shop
really nice..
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post Jan 24 2021, 07:41 PM

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Hi, if anyone looking for a zebra babaulti do let me know ya, got around 9-10 to sell off.

Cheaper guarantee, sorry if this is the wrong place to put it.

Location Bandar Sri Damansara

Edit: SOLD

Thanks guys

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post Jan 24 2021, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(brapa? @ Jan 23 2021, 10:55 PM)

no need plants in yr part 2 tank
they can breed too ?

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If there is no other fish inside, you no need the plant inside tank.
Its more easy to maintain the water parameter.

You only need a good sponge filter, the biofilm will grow on it, that it.
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post Jan 25 2021, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(calvinzai @ Jan 22 2021, 11:16 AM)
Hi all. Nice to meet shrimp keepers here. My humble shrimps

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whoaaa.... niceeee.....

galaxy fishbone next? drool.gif
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post Jan 25 2021, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(brapa? @ Jan 23 2021, 10:55 PM)
its tiresome to kill them
used no planaria but no effect
now manually removing them daily
dry.gif
very fat
what do u feed them ?
no need plants in yr part 2 tank
they can breed too ?
wow
what r those fuzzy things they r eating ?
saw these galaxies at the shop
really nice..
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No planaria is to kill off planaria bro. suggest you get medicines to kill off the snails. Not that I'm promoting this brand or what but i just find that this med is very very effective and it's kinda cheap to use it too.
https://shopee.com.my/SHRIMPSLAND-SNAILKILL...1716.7348358135


actually no need to have plant is fine, my shrimp tanks are all without plants and they could do equally well too.
feeding them were snowflake shrimp food.
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post Feb 7 2021, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(tachlio @ Jan 24 2021, 10:03 PM)
If there is no other fish inside, you no need the plant inside tank.
Its more easy to maintain the water parameter.

You only need a good sponge filter, the biofilm will grow on it, that it.
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Jan 25 2021, 09:26 AM)
No planaria is to kill off planaria bro. suggest you get medicines to kill off the snails. Not that I'm promoting this brand or what but i just find that this med is very very effective and it's kinda cheap to use it too.
https://shopee.com.my/SHRIMPSLAND-SNAILKILL...1716.7348358135
actually no need to have plant is fine, my shrimp tanks are all without plants and they could do equally well too.
feeding them were snowflake shrimp food.
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tx
whoa reali cheap
i got slaughtered already

if the tank is empty
how about ph ya ?
how to regulate keep it acidic ?
i read the role of soil is to keep it constant
even when wc

any secret to making them breed ?
the caradine seem less appetite than neo
the neos crowd around the food
while caradina keep munching the biofilm
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post Feb 7 2021, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(brapa? @ Feb 7 2021, 12:38 AM)
tx
whoa reali cheap
i got slaughtered already

if the tank is empty
how about ph ya ?
how to regulate keep it acidic ?
i read the role of soil is to keep it constant
even when wc

any secret to making them breed ?
the caradine seem less appetite than neo
the neos crowd around the food
while caradina keep munching the biofilm
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Naturally, you can control PH via putting Indian Almond Leave (Plenty around M'sia), or Msia Driftwood.
Else good substrate is easier as its auto adjust you water parameter. ADA Amazonia / Fluval Stratum all not bad.

For shrimp, underfeed always better so your water parameter wont fluctuate due to food waste.
Food/Pop > Ammonia > No2(via bacteria) > No3 (via Bacteria) > Consume by plant
So without plant, the extra No3 will be inside your tank. Easiest ways to get rid is via floating plant, as this plant don't need pump Co2

So once your tank stable (~1month), your shrimp will start booming.
Again, take note other parameter like temperature, GH/KH etc (every tank is vary, you can ensure 100% follow those wrote in website, as long as shrimp breed then just leave it)
We always do same mistake during early stage, buy too much equip, but actually what its need is stable parameter for shrimp.
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post Feb 14 2021, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Jan 25 2021, 09:26 AM)
No planaria is to kill off planaria bro. suggest you get medicines to kill off the snails. Not that I'm promoting this brand or what but i just find that this med is very very effective and it's kinda cheap to use it too.
https://shopee.com.my/SHRIMPSLAND-SNAILKILL...1716.7348358135
actually no need to have plant is fine, my shrimp tanks are all without plants and they could do equally well too.
feeding them were snowflake shrimp food.
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I'm thinking of starting a shrimp tank, may I know which other types of shrimps other than Cherry & Ghost that can tolerate our temperature? No intention to put chiller. Tank will be placed indoor. Gonna start with small tank.
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post Feb 15 2021, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(brapa? @ Feb 7 2021, 12:38 AM)
tx
whoa reali cheap
i got slaughtered already

if the tank is empty
how about ph ya ?
how to regulate keep it acidic ?
i read the role of soil is to keep it constant
even when wc

any secret to making them breed ?
the caradine seem less appetite than neo
the neos crowd around the food
while caradina keep munching the biofilm
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soil is the best, no need to put any other thing, just aqua soil and you're good to go, to keep the pH level below 7.

what's your temperature again? if more than 26, then you can literally forget about breeding them. they can survive at 28 but they won't breed, based on my own experience as well.

QUOTE(Xccess @ Feb 14 2021, 11:51 PM)
I'm thinking of starting a shrimp tank, may I know which other types of shrimps other than Cherry & Ghost that can tolerate our temperature? No intention to put chiller. Tank will be placed indoor. Gonna start with small tank.
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it doesn't matter whether it's fire red or bloody mary or blue velvet or green jade shrimp, so long they are neocaridina shrimp, they can survive under 30, but chances are harder to breed at 30, around 28, they can still breed pretty well. but it you can keep them under 26, then that will make them thrive a lot and will let you have a good colony.

ghost shrimp? those that ppl use to feed the bigger fish ones? no idea with them though. never kept before.

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QUOTE(rare_guppies @ Feb 10 2021, 01:06 AM)
Just took these today! Nothing better than a Cherry Shrimp fight!
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they doing well? not bad got sakura cherry and YGB.

do you have any snail problem in the tank?
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post Feb 16 2021, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(tachlio @ Feb 7 2021, 09:45 AM)
Naturally, you can control PH via putting Indian Almond Leave (Plenty around M'sia), or Msia Driftwood.
Else good substrate is easier as its auto adjust you water parameter. ADA Amazonia / Fluval Stratum all not bad.

For shrimp, underfeed always better so your water parameter wont fluctuate due to food waste.
Food/Pop > Ammonia > No2(via bacteria) > No3 (via Bacteria) > Consume by plant
So without plant, the extra No3 will be inside your tank. Easiest ways to get rid is via floating plant, as this plant don't need pump Co2

So once your tank stable (~1month), your shrimp will start booming.
Again, take note other parameter like temperature, GH/KH etc (every tank is vary, you can ensure 100% follow those wrote in website, as long as shrimp breed then just leave it)
We always do same mistake during early stage, buy too much equip, but actually what its need is stable parameter for shrimp.
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not cheap leh this hobi
i'm accumulating bottles of stull already
& the tests r more xpensif than seeing a dr
hmm..
but ya
if the water is not good they dont thrive
then no use going into this hobby
need to b more disciplined
taking care of them

QUOTE(tehoice @ Feb 15 2021, 09:54 AM)
soil is the best, no need to put any other thing, just aqua soil and you're good to go, to keep the pH level below 7.

what's your temperature again? if more than 26, then you can literally forget about breeding them. they can survive at 28 but they won't breed, based on my own experience as well.
it doesn't matter whether it's fire red or bloody mary or blue velvet or green jade shrimp, so long they are neocaridina shrimp, they can survive under 30, but chances are harder to breed at 30, around 28, they can still breed pretty well. but it you can keep them under 26, then that will make them thrive a lot and will let you have a good colony.

ghost shrimp? those that ppl use to feed the bigger fish ones? no idea with them though. never kept before.
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its 27 - 28
sigh.. i love caridina shrimps
but to turn on the hall aircon daily
i think i m not willing to do that..
even my bedroom i only use fan


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post Feb 16 2021, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(brapa? @ Feb 16 2021, 09:51 PM)
not cheap leh this hobi
i'm accumulating bottles of stull already
& the tests r more xpensif than seeing a dr
hmm..
but ya
if the water is not good they dont thrive
then no use going into this hobby
need to b more disciplined
taking care of them
its 27 - 28
sigh.. i love caridina shrimps
but to turn on the hall aircon daily
i think i m not willing to do that..
even my bedroom i only use fan
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28c no problem can breed and thrive. mine is 28
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post Feb 16 2021, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(eyerule @ Feb 16 2021, 09:54 PM)
28c no problem can breed and thrive. mine is 28
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wah
how u do tht ?
even the seller say kenot
whats yr secret ?
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post Feb 16 2021, 11:29 PM

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no secret. they will breed.
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post Feb 17 2021, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(brapa? @ Feb 16 2021, 09:51 PM)
not cheap leh this hobi
i'm accumulating bottles of stull already
& the tests r more xpensif than seeing a dr
hmm..
but ya
if the water is not good they dont thrive
then no use going into this hobby
need to b more disciplined
taking care of them
its 27 - 28
sigh.. i love caridina shrimps
but to turn on the hall aircon daily
i think i m not willing to do that..
even my bedroom i only use fan
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I only had neo, around same temp as your.
As breeding, but we only for hobby not sealing... as long as some bread and its continue slowly increase, I dont care its breed a lot or not.
Dont waste your time study lower temp in Msia (like chiller etc), this cost too much for hobby and waste a lot of space
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post Feb 17 2021, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(brapa? @ Feb 16 2021, 09:51 PM)
not cheap leh this hobi
i'm accumulating bottles of stull already
& the tests r more xpensif than seeing a dr
hmm..
but ya
if the water is not good they dont thrive
then no use going into this hobby
need to b more disciplined
taking care of them
its 27 - 28
sigh.. i love caridina shrimps
but to turn on the hall aircon daily
i think i m not willing to do that..
even my bedroom i only use fan
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then in that case, why not you try and see and let us know of your outcome, most probably you will know your results in another 3-4 months.

if they can breed, most likely they will start breeding in your tank once they are comfortable and that won't take too long.

Edit: I used to use PC fan to bring down the temperature, it can bring down 1 or 2 degree but can't do much too.

be mindful, it doesnt matter how many fans you use, it just cannot reach the 26 temperature no matter what, cannot defy science.

the more fans you use, the faster the water evaporates and hence you will need to topup water more often and this may cause a swing in your water parameters which is also not as good for your shrimps.

so my suggestion is one fan is enough.

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post Feb 17 2021, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(tachlio @ Feb 17 2021, 09:13 AM)
I only had neo, around same temp as your.
As breeding, but we only for hobby not sealing... as long as some bread and its continue slowly increase, I dont care its breed a lot or not.
Dont waste your time study lower temp in Msia (like chiller etc), this cost too much for hobby and waste a lot of space
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hobby memang a $$$ burning stuff.
if you're expected to do the hobby, then chances are you should accept the fact that it will cost you a bomb.

for example, if you skimp on using fertilisers, your plants will not grow well and not turning the expected result.
you may lose interest.

if you skimp on lights, your plants may not have the saturation in colour and not turning the expected result.
you may lose interest.

if you skimp on using CO2, your plants will not grow well and not turning the expected result. But this could be fixed more easily but also won't be too optimum, that's by using a DIY co2.

if you skimp on bringing down the temperatures, the plants may not grow well, the shrimps may not cope well (given that he is more interested in caridina shrimps which require cooler water) and may not breed well, end up die more or faster than producing offspring, you will also lose money in buying more and more new shrimps.
you may ultimately lose interest as well.



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QUOTE(tehoice @ Feb 17 2021, 10:18 AM)
hobby memang a $$$ burning stuff.
if you're expected to do the hobby, then chances are you should accept the fact that it will cost you a bomb.

for example, if you skimp on using fertilisers, your plants will not grow well and not turning the expected result.
you may lose interest.

if you skimp on lights, your plants may not have the saturation in colour and not turning the expected result.
you may lose interest.

if you skimp on using CO2, your plants will not grow well and not turning the expected result. But this could be fixed more easily but also won't be too optimum, that's by using a DIY co2.

if you skimp on bringing down the temperatures, the plants may not grow well, the shrimps may not cope well (given that he is more interested in caridina shrimps which require cooler water) and may not breed well, end up die more or faster than producing offspring, you will also lose money in buying more and more new shrimps.
you may ultimately lose interest as well.
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Agree, initial I though just want to had a simple non Co2 tank + some shrimp....

But today, I bought
- Fluval Substrate
- 2L Co2 Tank + Inline Diffuser + Regulator + Timer
- Chihiros RGB 60Cm light
- Seachem Fert > NPK + Excel + Trace
and I lost count how many burn during initial setup like those wave sciccor, glass cleaer, bla bla tester, external fan, list go on.....
fail plant, fail snail, fail shrimp....
At least 2-3k now only can more or less stable....

But still gonna do weekly water change + bi-monthly filter cleaning as mine is Plant tank so need balance the fert....

Now looking change better glass tank.... bangwall.gif
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QUOTE(tachlio @ Feb 17 2021, 12:14 PM)
Agree, initial I though just want to had a simple non Co2 tank + some shrimp....

But today, I bought
- Fluval Substrate
- 2L Co2 Tank + Inline Diffuser + Regulator + Timer
- Chihiros RGB 60Cm light
- Seachem Fert > NPK + Excel + Trace
and I lost count how many burn during initial setup like those wave sciccor, glass cleaer, bla bla tester, external fan, list go on.....
fail plant, fail snail, fail shrimp....
At least 2-3k now only can more or less stable....

But still gonna do weekly water change + bi-monthly filter cleaning as mine is Plant tank so need balance the fert....

Now looking change better glass tank....  bangwall.gif
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better looking glass tank is definitely a big YES....... go ahead man~! i wanna upgrade my recently set up 30cm cube to a 60p tank soon, hopefully by mid this year la.

i know how it feels to spend all this money. but generally, for planted tank, every 1ft tank will cost you around RM1k. so if a 2ft tank, be prepared to spend like 2k on it.

let me count how much have i spent all these years since i started.

My first planted tank journey in 2012
Tank close to RM200
tank cabinet RM300
ADA amazonia RM110+
LED light RM300+
EHEIM 2215 around RM400
CO2 set easily RM400 or 500 bucks
hardscape another RM100
seachem products + ADA fertilisers = RM200
not to forget the livestocks, plants, fans, etc etc so many.
total spent also close to RM2k

Guppy journey in 2015
set up is not that expensive, bare tanks that cost me like 40 each and some plastic tanks for fry (15 bucks each). i have up to 48 tanks at one point.
some air pumps here and there easily cost me around 200 bucks.
the most expensive is the livestock, each pair of guppy cost me around 250 - 350 bucks, i even fly to bangkok and taiwan to pick them (forget about the flights and monies spent during the trip).
brine shrimp, one can cost around RM150 (last only about 4 months). i keep and breed guppies for 3 years, so you count.
all in all, easily spent RM5k here

Shrimping journey in 2018
system tank setup one time cost > RM5k (including a chiller)
Chiller is not an optimum choice, end up sold 800 bucks, get an AC and blast the AC for 14 hours a day.
shrimps, i spent easily another 2-3k in buying lifestocks, give up tracking ady.
but still keeping and breeding now.
Total spent easily RM8k (not to forget, about RM100 on house electricity too) for just one AC.

My renewed planted tank (30cm cube) and a small 30cm rectangular tank
tank RM115
filter - RM130 (1 HOB and 1 hangon back canister)
plants around RM150
seachem fertilisers (almost full range minus "Advance") - around RM300
hardscape - rocks and driftwood around RM80
some livestocks - around RM100
Total spent here also around RM600+

Also, going to buy a CO2 (4L) tank set which will easily cost around RM350
plus, Chihiros WRGB II which will also cost around 600++ for 2ft (since i would plan to upgrade my planted tank).

dare not count how much i have spent all these years. darnnnnn.........
could have been a lot richer if didnt spend on all these hobbies.

EDIT: Forgotten to add my own DIY RO water machine which also cost me around 600 or 700 bucks, a lot of time and money wasted for the trial and error.
damnnnnnn

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Feb 17 2021, 12:50 PM)
better looking glass tank is definitely a big YES....... go ahead man~! i wanna upgrade my recently set up 30cm cube to a 60p tank soon, hopefully by mid this year la.

i know how it feels to spend all this money. but generally, for planted tank, every 1ft tank will cost you around RM1k. so if a 2ft tank, be prepared to spend like 2k on it.

let me count how much have i spent all these years since i started.

My first planted tank journey in 2012
Tank close to RM200
tank cabinet RM300
ADA amazonia RM110+
LED light RM300+
EHEIM 2215 around RM400
CO2 set easily RM400 or 500 bucks
hardscape another RM100
seachem products + ADA fertilisers = RM200
not to forget the livestocks, plants, fans, etc etc so many.
total spent also close to RM2k

Guppy journey in 2015
set up is not that expensive, bare tanks that cost me like 40 each and some plastic tanks for fry (15 bucks each). i have up to 48 tanks at one point.
some air pumps here and there easily cost me around 200 bucks.
the most expensive is the livestock, each pair of guppy cost me around 250 - 350 bucks, i even fly to bangkok and taiwan to pick them (forget about the flights and monies spent during the trip).
brine shrimp, one can cost around RM150 (last only about 4 months). i keep and breed guppies for 3 years, so you count.
all in all, easily spent RM5k here

Shrimping journey in 2018
system tank setup one time cost > RM5k (including a chiller)
Chiller is not an optimum choice, end up sold 800 bucks, get an AC and blast the AC for 14 hours a day.
shrimps, i spent easily another 2-3k in buying lifestocks, give up tracking ady.
but still keeping and breeding now.
Total spent easily RM8k (not to forget, about RM100 on house electricity too) for just one AC.

My renewed planted tank (30cm cube) and a small 30cm rectangular tank
tank RM115
filter - RM130 (1 HOB and 1 hangon back canister)
plants around RM150
seachem fertilisers (almost full range minus "Advance") - around RM300
hardscape - rocks and driftwood around RM80
some livestocks - around RM100
Total spent here also around RM600+

Also, going to buy a CO2 (4L) tank set which will easily cost around RM350
plus, Chihiros WRGB II which will also cost around 600++ for 2ft (since i would plan to upgrade my planted tank).

dare not count how much i have spent all these years. darnnnnn.........
could have been a lot richer if didnt spend on all these hobbies.

EDIT: Forgotten to add my own DIY RO water machine which also cost me around 600 or 700 bucks, a lot of time and money wasted for the trial and error.
damnnnnnn
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I looking 35CM cube tank, where you get the 30cm cube tank?
Mid of year upgrade? How about now? I need 2 of it

Now running single tank, with EHEIM 250 classis too.
The 2nd EHEIM is in standby mode now

Edit: I dont want to know/hear about RO machine.... later hand itchy liao.... vmad.gif

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