People always jump into conclusion pretty quickly without thinking through... haha

Btw, I do agree that stock car setup do wobble during high speed.

Of course we cannot expect like BMW/Merc because the stock setup already have wide tyres.

I can't comprehend how vellfire drivers drive up to their speedcuts too. With their entire family inside to top it off.

As i say. Vios, vellfire, myvi or jazz. None produces downforce. Drive it at 160, it definitely won't do this



But is it safe, definitely not. Not even if you drive an S500.

As i mentioned before. The feeling of safe is somewhat a very dodgy thing. The only true way of telling if a car is safe is for it to be pressed against the ground hard. And see what the clk gtr above got into?

Drive fast, live with the consequences. Don't blame the car.

yeah.

anyway, what's with the defensive stance by some of the people in here? i own one myself. my comment was based on what i experience, not based on impossible expectation that they imagined i had.

This post has been edited by cracksys: Mar 23 2016, 12:11 AM

Weight plays a bigger factor in the feel of most contis. Doubt the wider tires play that major a role as it has to fend off the weight during lateral forces.

No one is denying your fact. It is just something that does not need mentioning. It is just an expected part of owning such a car.

thus the reason why i said people who drove it at more 160 kmh have massive balls.

but, nooo, that's not worth mentioning too.

get out from my thread, you filthy pleb without anything to contribute. we er talk about weight distribution, tire thread and aerodynamics.

This post has been edited by cracksys: Mar 23 2016, 12:19 AM

Your thread? Okay...

My bad your highness. You right, me wrong. No need to be all potty mouth btw.

This is funny, it seems you reply is for the sake of replying.

If you are implying that wider tyres does not play a major role in vehicle stability, then explain why F1 cars which definitely has lesser weight that street cars has widest tyres.

I do not deny that i reply for the sake of replying. Call me syiok sendiri for all you want.

As you noticed. I used the term "feel". As in the car is floating like sampan even when travelling on a perfectly straight road.

I did not mention how it performs in directional changes. To most if not many people. Heavier cars seems to feel like it is sturdier, hence a more stable car.

But in the real world we all know static weight work against the car as it needs a beefier engine to move the weight, more contact patch to maintain grip, etc, etc...

Sooo..... What motor racing did was not to make cars heavier but to have downforce help push the car down on the ground hence giving it more grip than just the car itself could provide mechanically.

The contact patch is as always very important. But, unless you are chucking the cars into turns and stuff. I don't really think it cures sampan feeling problems. In fact, wider rims and tires at the end of the day still kacau the cars roll center if my google tak ada rosak.

So, technically. I did not ever for once claimed that wider tires do jack shit. I just say it doesn't seem to cure the sampan, wobbly, wiggly feel of the car.

I hope tat clarifies my lack of england comprehension.

I want to talk to the aussie guy who always take upside down pictures la. Bring him back pls.

Differences,of opinion is expected and not to be too emotional on this....we are sharing our experience on this car 1st hand and not from hearsay....whatever my opinion or ur opinion on the car not necessarily applicable to you or myself....feel free to have diffferences of thought....for me this jazz is a simple car which fulfill the simple needs...city driving or short distance travelling.... i once trying the car with a max speed of 190 km/h but i feel the car stable at 150 to 160km/h not because i got balls of steel but its just my feeling....but please be reminded that the speed i achieve is on long straight highway road with minimum traffic ..... I dont propogate speeds but just tried it once....dont drive this car very often since i bought it for my son in college....even if i drive this car during weekend it always at 70 to 80 km/h which is my trip to the mall or market....

DAMN... If i am a father like you and i know the car my kid is driving can do 190 and still feel stable at 160. I'd be seriously worried wei.

I'll jus get my kid next time a car with a 125cc kapchai engine. WOT full revs also 88kph only.

I dun wan to hear my kid say "pa say can do 160 one". I'd be seriously screwed by my wife.

i know my son better than you...
he will not drive it at 160kmh...the most he will drive is it at 80-90 km/h....
Even if u drive bicycles, accident can happen la....
So please stay safe...

Sometimes, there is many sides to your kids that you dun see. I've been a youngster too u know.

Just like one of my friend who smokes all this years i know him and he started in secondary. You'd be amazed that his parents still do not know he smokes.

Imagine how he hid that from his parents with the smell and stuff. I mean he is old now and have the rights to do what he wants but seriously. Imagine keeping this away from them for more than 15 years.

Either you have a secret dvr or gps installed. U never really know if you kid is the next takumi fujiwara lei.

Regarding the Jazz's CVT transmission, have you all found the lack of paddle shifters a problem when overtaking slower cars on small narrow roads?

At least with manual or auto tranny, I can push the gear down to 3 so I can accelerate faster.

Tires do play a role in term of the feel. I think while the width play a less important role, the sidewall design and tires height do make a significant difference. Usually comfort tires has slightly rounded sidewall which help cushion some of the impact while performance tires has stiffer straight sidewall which give a better feedback on the road condition.

Initially I was interested in Jazz too but figured I needed to spent extra to stabilize it. I went with the Rio which came with 17 inch performance tires instead. It doesn't have the fc of jazz but the tradeoff is worth it for my preference.

You can always floor it.

But there is no better way than manually selecting the gear as your car can only react to your inputs rather than anticipate it

I am not that sure if wider or lower profile or higher profile helps. But conti, are conti's. They have several things on their end most japanese manufacturers especially the smaller cars usually lack. Damper setup for one i would think is already a huge difference


I mean rio having 17" can't be the deciding factor right? Aftermaket 17" is like what? An rm3k spend at most after trade in?

Rio is better equipped would be undeniable but just because of 17" is a bit bonkers.

Unfortunately tires would be my no1 priority. Regardless of the electronics that claimed to save you in crazy situation, it's meaningless when you had a sub par tires that doesn't help at all.

Of course there were other factors, like pricing, free services, and equipments, but I still had my priorities on the 4 pieces of black stuffs that keep me on the road.

honestly, even a Proton Persona is more stable than these two as the multilink suspension is better than torsion beam.
lowered spring/sports abs/right tires profile help too.