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coolkwc
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May 24 2008, 01:12 PM
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QUOTE(168257061 @ May 24 2008, 01:11 PM) I will sell if anyone willing adopt it At least can get hundred bucks I don't know , so many people at here , sabah, praise this speaker.. "wah , so good oo" " wah this speaker is so decent , can bomb song song" after I install the sound card and hear...  dont have big different  VS4121 deserve to die...
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0168257061
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May 24 2008, 01:15 PM
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ May 24 2008, 02:12 PM) haha... and one thing.. I tweak the 31hz at EQ setting there , it doesnt make different when I adjust to the max and min... why ?
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coolkwc
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May 24 2008, 01:41 PM
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QUOTE(168257061 @ May 24 2008, 01:15 PM) haha... and one thing.. I tweak the 31hz at EQ setting there , it doesnt make different when I adjust to the max and min... why ?  Why? the reason is so simple, VS4121 claim it frequency response of 25Hz-15Khz is totally bull shit, as it can't even touch 40hz and below...thats why no effect at all... This post has been edited by coolkwc: May 24 2008, 01:43 PM
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0168257061
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May 24 2008, 01:50 PM
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ May 24 2008, 02:41 PM) Why? the reason is so simple, VS4121 claim it frequency response of 25Hz-15Khz is totally bull shit, as it can't even touch 40hz and below...thats why no effect at all... So this mean I cant get the 31Hz effect on MX5021 when it has frequency response of 30 - 22000 Hz ? hehe... noob so many question
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Najmods
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May 24 2008, 01:59 PM
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QUOTE(168257061 @ May 24 2008, 01:50 PM) So this mean I cant get the 31Hz effect on MX5021 when it has frequency response of 30 - 22000 Hz ? hehe... noob so many question  Why do you care about this? Have you tested pure 30Hz tone? Maybe the music you tried doesn't even reach that low Here is 30Hz tone if you want to hear how it sounds
30hztone.wav ( 23.49k )
Number of downloads: 10
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coolkwc
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May 24 2008, 02:00 PM
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to be honest, the minimum bass frequency response of MX5021 is about 30hz which is too weak that you nearly can't hear it...but the bass sound will start to shine after 35hz....
the 31hz of EQ not means that it will only boost/cut 31hz, it will raise/cut the adjacent frequency band as well depends on Q-constant of the EQ...
as example, the raise of 31hz of Creative EQ will raise from 15hz to 50hz...but one thing i confirm to you is you will hear the different on MX5021 if you tweak the 31hz band...
This post has been edited by coolkwc: May 24 2008, 02:03 PM
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0168257061
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May 24 2008, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE(Najmods @ May 24 2008, 02:59 PM) Why do you care about this? Have you tested pure 30Hz tone? Maybe the music you tried doesn't even reach that low Here is 30Hz tone if you want to hear how it sounds
30hztone.wav ( 23.49k )
Number of downloads: 10wow... cant hear clearly... hehe QUOTE(coolkwc @ May 24 2008, 03:00 PM) to be honest, the minimum bass frequency response of MX5021 is about 30hz which is too weak that you nearly can't hear it...but the bass sound will start to shine after 35hz.... the 31hz of EQ not means that it will only boost/cut 31hz, it will raise/cut the adjacent frequency band as well depends on Q-constant of the EQ... as example, the raise of 31hz of Creative EQ will raise from 15hz to 50hz...but one thing i confirm to you is you will hear the different on MX5021 if you tweak the 31hz band... oh... thanks for enlighten me...keke.... understood. so many things I dont know .. need disturb you guys
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coolkwc
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May 24 2008, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE(168257061 @ May 24 2008, 02:11 PM) wow... cant hear clearly... hehe oh... thanks for enlighten me...keke.... understood. so many things I dont know .. need disturb you guys  just ask what you want to know, we are all here willing to discuss and help as much as we can, no need to feel sorry about that...
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0168257061
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May 24 2008, 02:19 PM
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ May 24 2008, 03:13 PM) just ask what you want to know, we are all here willing to discuss and help as much as we can, no need to feel sorry about that...  hehe.. ok then... Btw , im curious ... I got a WMA song which is 64kbps if I convert it into 256kbps ...will the sound improve ? I found no, becasue the bass of the song make the bass "pecah" while all other song no.
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Najmods
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May 24 2008, 02:25 PM
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QUOTE(168257061 @ May 24 2008, 02:19 PM) hehe.. ok then... Btw , im curious ... I got a WMA song which is 64kbps if I convert it into 256kbps ...will the sound improve ? I found no, becasue the bass of the song make the bass "pecah" while all other song no.  It won't improve the quality, simply because it can't put back the data that has been lost from previous encoding. Never ever increase the bitrate of a song, it can go down, but not up
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coolkwc
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May 24 2008, 02:25 PM
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QUOTE(168257061 @ May 24 2008, 02:19 PM) hehe.. ok then... Btw , im curious ... I got a WMA song which is 64kbps if I convert it into 256kbps ...will the sound improve ? I found no, becasue the bass of the song make the bass "pecah" while all other song no.  Absolutely NO...when you rip the 64kbps WMA, a lot of data already loss and you will not get back the data in whatever mathod...up convert to higher bit rate will only add some 'blank' data that make the file size bigger and not raise the quality at all..
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0168257061
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May 24 2008, 02:29 PM
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QUOTE(Najmods @ May 24 2008, 03:25 PM) It won't improve the quality, simply because it can't put back the data that has been lost from previous encoding. Never ever increase the bitrate of a song, it can go down, but not up QUOTE(coolkwc @ May 24 2008, 03:25 PM) Absolutely NO...when you rip the 64kbps WMA, a lot of data already loss and you will not get back the data in whatever mathod...up convert to higher bit rate will only add some 'blank' data that make the file size bigger and not raise the quality at all.. Thanks for reply .. then what about I convert a 320kbps MP3 to WAV format and then encode it into FLAC... got different also ? Im trying to find...but seems hard , almost no different.
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coolkwc
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May 24 2008, 02:30 PM
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QUOTE(168257061 @ May 24 2008, 02:29 PM) Thanks for reply .. then what about I convert a 320kbps MP3 to WAV format and then encode it into FLAC... got different also ? Im trying to find...but seems hard , almost no different.  NO different and you will even make the sound quality worse than original MP3 file...
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Najmods
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May 24 2008, 02:31 PM
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QUOTE(168257061 @ May 24 2008, 02:29 PM) Thanks for reply .. then what about I convert a 320kbps MP3 to WAV format and then encode it into FLAC... got different also ? Im trying to find...but seems hard , almost no different.  NO, I told you already, you can go down but not up. Convert from lossy to lossless is a big no no, it just makes the files bigger without any quality difference
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0168257061
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May 24 2008, 02:34 PM
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ May 24 2008, 03:30 PM) NO different and you will even make the sound quality worse than original MP3 file... QUOTE(Najmods @ May 24 2008, 03:31 PM) NO, I told you already, you can go down but not up. Convert from lossy to lossless is a big no no, it just makes the files bigger without any quality difference owh... Then how can I enjoy a TRUE FLAC format song eh ?
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coolkwc
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May 24 2008, 02:34 PM
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some more convert to one file format to another file format also is a big no no... Added on May 24, 2008, 2:35 pmQUOTE(168257061 @ May 24 2008, 02:34 PM) owh... Then how can I enjoy a TRUE FLAC format song eh ? rip from Original Audio CD into FLAC... This post has been edited by coolkwc: May 24 2008, 02:35 PM
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0168257061
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May 24 2008, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ May 24 2008, 03:34 PM) some more convert to one file format to another file format also is a big no no... Added on May 24, 2008, 2:35 pmrip from Original Audio CD into FLAC... that is the reason for buying ORIGINAL audio cd ? This post has been edited by 168257061: May 24 2008, 02:37 PM
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sucka3
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May 24 2008, 02:38 PM
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weird thing though....despite so many dislike vs4121 here...AL reissue vs4121 with new packagin n colors on the speakers..
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Najmods
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May 24 2008, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ May 24 2008, 02:34 PM) some more convert to one file format to another file format also is a big no no... I like to elaborate. Lossless to lossless is OK, but it makes no difference, but if your player doesn't support certain file format then you can do it. Lossy to another lossy is no no Well, that is the main purpose of buying original CD, absolute best quality. But you can download the WAV or FLAC files online too.......
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coolkwc
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May 24 2008, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE(168257061 @ May 24 2008, 02:37 PM) that is the reason for buying ORIGINAL audio cd ?  yes, you can borrow from your friends actually...  Added on May 24, 2008, 2:41 pmQUOTE(sucka3 @ May 24 2008, 02:38 PM) weird thing though....despite so many dislike vs4121 here...AL reissue vs4121 with new packagin n colors on the speakers..  you are wrong, many love VS4121 like hell, thats why AL reissue and still producing it... This post has been edited by coolkwc: May 24 2008, 02:41 PM
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