yup..you're rite...but since suso is a young 19 y.o kid who loaned out to one of la liga weak team..think any stats will do him good...he's starting week in week out is good enough for me..thats much better than sit on the bench at liv

To play a flat back 4 of 4 CB...even layman knew that wont work, & you said its not manager's fault. Tactically, BR clearly screw up, the team was set out bottom heavy, which make me thinks that we're facing RM/Barca instead of Saints. No wonder there's no clear chances of note.
BR clearly lacks plan B, thats not to slate him but a fact. He could have set out a 5-3-2 with 3CB & 2 WB(Henderson could plays at RWB) which surely wont be worst than the formation he set against Saints. You could say the team may not familiar with it, but then again its the manager job to set out different formations in training as part of his arsenal. Clearly he's too obsessed with his possession based game that made him too stubborn to try a plan B


Actually talent wise Suso & Couts really are comparable, abt same size as well, maybe Suso just not so consistent. Both abt same age also, but Couts got his big break earlier though frozen out eventually....so its not really a big ask. Prob is Suso nvr been given a long run, last season he played early on but eventually frozen without a trace

I think so too, most likely he'll moved on which is good considering Reds are partly responsible in screwing up talented kids read: Pacheco, Le Tallec et all
& too think that back then ppl here slated me for saying Suso too small hence not ready by comparing him to Modric who they claimed is small & frail as well

Suso may be small in size but if you notice, he's got good balance too. Quite a number of times he was being harassed by defenders twice his size but he stood his ground to keep hold of the ball.

The likes of Mata, Silva, Kagawa, Benayoun and Remirez are small scaled. It's what they do on and off the ball that matters. Suso is still 19, his development has quite a bit to go. He needs game time and i think BR realized that hence the loan. He could get gametime with us in hindsight, but i think a loan spell in Spain was the best option for him. It's a league where players are protected by the referee and where technical abilities reign supreme.

Hoping he comes back twice the player.

@8sg9ft - Liverpool seldom recall on-loan player. I just dunno Y? If they r good enough to play for their 1st team
i don't think is a problem for playing for us..if we give them chance.
No youth players is deemed good if they don't get a strings of games.

@leftist - Is good to have 1st team experience only if BR say he will b involve in the 1st team plan heavily
next season. If not..i doubt any talents would like to comeback having fire up for 1st team nect season.

@vreis - Wow..I Agreed 100% what u say. High 5 bro..rushing out for lunch so cant write much..hehe

@chenwfng - Agreed. Guys pls study suso play ok? Look closer....He protect the ball far better than sterling.
For me he's compatible to coutinho..

@hfi - Loan is a great option. I didnt doubting it but we rely on coutinho talents heavily... once he's out..there's no second option
in the team. BR say he want 2player completing each department. BS! Who is Coutinho understudy then?

Talk about Suso Wonder Goal..Morgan Did This "ALONSO Wonder Flyer" Last Nite!!!



Rushing out. Enjoyed!
Chris Lam.

I believe the second or third option is meant to be Alberto and Hendo. Having bought Alberto, I'm guessing BR rated Alberto higher than Suso. Hendo's versatility and robustness means he's also the preffered player over Suso. I like Suso and i think he's got a lot of potential but he's the youngest of the lot so a loan option is probably for the best; both for the club and the player.

Was expecting Shelvey to be back and stay...Ended up he left all of a sudden

You mean joe cole?

Again, like I said before, it all boils down to the agreement both clubs made. If there was no agreement that LFC can recall their players, then LFC would just have to abide by it.

Which mean Suso is as good as a gone case now. BR doesn't really rate Suso highly just by looking at the number of appearance of him last season. I am really surprise of the departure of Shelvey, Downing, and Suso.

I hardly notice whatever change or substitute made by BR has big impact, or change of tactic during the match, that can change the face of the game, aka turn draw or lose into win, or turn dismay performance from first half into brilliant on second half.

Since the season start, second half performance either awful or "heart-beating" like one.
Fitness issue?

All 3 win come with first half goal.

If a certain fees is paid we wont be able to do that.

Rodgers decision to field 4 centrebacks was bizarre but I disagree that he doesn't have a plan B. One could say that he favours possession football but which manager doesn't have a signature style? When did Man Utd last change their style of play? Even so it needs to be noted that Rodgers has been reverting to a deeper defensive line, relying on counterattacking football rather than possession football in the second halves of games against Man Utd and Aston Villa in particular. Not saying it was the best decision on either occasion but it does prove that he changes formations and tactics during the game.

Also, he has never been shy to use the bench. Against the Saints, he brought on Enrique and shifted Henderson to fullback so that we'd have a little more bite in attack. He would also have Countinho adopt a more central or wider role depending on the progression of a game. In conclusion, I reckon it's a case of making the wrong decision instead of not making a decision.

Not having a plan B is a trait unique to Roy Hodgson who played 4-4--------2 instead of 4-4-2, playing only direct football. There is no other reason a ball playing centreback like Dagger could not get a game ahead of any of the lumpers we had. Rodgers may not be making too many right decisions on the pitch this season but he certainly hasn't been as inflexible as Hodgson.

It's seems more to me Rodgers has a plan but he (seem) doesn't 'really' know the strength/weakness of a player to excercute his plan. Most of the subsititution appears to relieve a tired or exhausted player (first) than a tactical substitution to win a game. (Of course subs coming in to defend a lead late on are regular norms, almost no brainier most of the time).

As I said before, while Brendan Rodgers emphasize system>players. He thens to stick to 'system' (which i think why some guys thinks he doesn't plan b) and hope the player in scrurry & clog into plan just like that.
Rodgers doesnt route 1 (ala roy) in football though it seems to appear that's how we been defending esp in the second half.

This post has been edited by koolspyda: Sep 24 2013, 04:10 PM

Why are we even comparing BR with the worst Liverpool manager of the last 2 decades? To make BR look good?

Oh For Sure BR will come out tops head above heels over Woy...

I think this interview sheds some insight as to why we are playing a deep 4231 and why we are stagnating in terms of movement and creativity. I know he's been championing the 433 but the lack of dynamic midfielders means he can't really put his ideas into practice.

I think he may envision Gerrard as the deep controller in 433 but Gerrard doesn't control games through tempo. Then there's the 2 support CMs or box to box midfielders. Lucas i think can't play this role - We spent years converting him to a traditional DM that he's now more suited as a deep anchor type midfielder in 4231. You need midfielders with great mobility and endurance to work as a unit in 433 i.e. look at Spurs with the trio of Paulinho, Dembele and Sigurrdson. I think the players suited to this role are Henderson and Allen. Hendo has great engine but is not a great ball carrier. Allen is not great in the air, but he has both engine and the ability to carry the ball.

So now we have defaulted back to 4231 but as he said in that interview, the 2 CMs move sideways, so most of the attacking movement comes from the central attacking midfielder. But the lack of a genuine playmaker means there's a gaping hole between the midfield and the forward players. Not a good situation to be in.

If you bothered to read the comparison was made after comments that BR doesn't have a plan B i.e. he doesn't change the shape of the team, tactics or players during games. These characteristics are reserved for Roy Hodgson. Follow?

To reiterate, I'm stating that Rodgers does make changes, just not the right ones based on our performances so far this season e.g. reverting to a defensive stance when leading.

maybe nex transfer window we see box to box midfield come in

lucas,gerrard,hendo,allen are not enough

raul meireles are good example of box to box midfielders

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment...carlyle-2296298?

and I reckon he'd do a good job of it as well. He's already been in a movie which featured the club regularly - The 51st State.

Caught in between 433 and 4231.

We lack of deep controller to operate under 433.
Like what you've said, Gerrard doesn't control games through tempo,
and Lucas on the other hand is not that type of DM who dictate the tempo of game like Gundogan/Pirlo/Xabi.
A passive ball winner he is.

B2B midfielders wise, we have enough in quantity but not quality.

Guess that's why BR wanted to sign Mkhitaryan so badly. Could fill the gap under 4231.