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 NETWORK ATTACHED STORAGE (NAS) V2

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post Jan 25 2014, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(thamvmk @ Jan 23 2014, 05:29 PM)
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The perception that cheaper NAS can't handle the processing requirement of DLNA server is not true at all.  The Dlink DNS-320L has a 1Ghz processor which is more than enough to stream 1080p movies without any problem.  I'm using a earlier model DNS-320 (800Mhz processor), it also can handle 1080p streaming without any issue at all.  However, I don't quite like the stock software that comes with it, hence I loaded extra software from http://nas-tweaks.net/, and I'm using minidlna to become the DLNA server.  I've about 1 TB of movies served out by minidlna to my Samsung 40" DLNA client/renderer.  Read more and backup before you do anything with your stock NAS, please don't come and look for me if you screwed up your NAS after tweaking stuffs.  I screwed up many times before getting it right.

Yes, you are correct.  You will need some fundamental linux skills to understand the steps but it is not difficult.

No, not true at all as I've mentioned above.
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Just because you didn't experience it doesn't mean it's not true. There are many possible configurations and hardware. The 320L and even the higher 327L can't stream properly to Android boxes using the built in software. I am talking about files over 10GB btw. However, the problem can be resolve if there is a separate PC using TVERSITY to stream the NAS.
Probably streaming to a PC is no problem as i have tested that.

Not everyone is a Linux guru or wants to be one. Most people bought something like this off the shelf and expect it to work. Not wasting time tinkering with it.

I sold my 320L and bought a 327L. 320L ...slow write speed, and even interface is much slower compared to the 327L. But both have same problem when streaming to Android boxes and perhaps other non-PC device.
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post Jan 25 2014, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Jan 24 2014, 02:56 PM)
My problem with hard disk, solved. Hard disk problem. Today I received new hard disk from seller and it works without any mod with my N40L.
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Congrats. Good that you got that solved. Now time to get more hardisk. rclxms.gif
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post Jan 27 2014, 01:35 PM

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Hello Sifu-sifu, need some advise for buying NAS for office of architecture and design:

Below are the needs:

* User and folder control
* Internet connection to phone and laptop/PC at oversea, locally
* Long lasting and maybe scallable in size
* Good performance able to handle multiple request, access etc.
* RAID and backup support
* Good software and firmware

Budget is around RM2.5k.

Currently looking at Asustor AS-602T with two WD RE4 1TB Drive. (RM2557 with this setup)

Any recommendations? Open to over budget suggestions if it is worth.

Most of my collegue recommends QNAP and Synology, but there's too much and I don't know which one is good... sweat.gif
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post Jan 27 2014, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(konakona @ Jan 27 2014, 01:35 PM)
Hello Sifu-sifu, need some advise for buying NAS for office of architecture and design:

Below are the needs:

* User and folder control
* Internet connection to phone and laptop/PC at oversea, locally
* Long lasting and maybe scallable in size
* Good performance able to handle multiple request, access etc.
* RAID and backup support
* Good software and firmware

Budget is around RM2.5k.

Currently looking at Asustor AS-602T with two WD RE4 1TB Drive. (RM2557 with this setup)

Any recommendations? Open to over budget suggestions if it is worth.

Most of my collegue recommends QNAP and Synology, but there's too much and I don't know which one is good...  sweat.gif
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If it's 2 bay with RAID, I assume you're going to use RAID 1?

2 x 1TB in RAID 1 = 1TB storage. Is that enough?

You can go for WD Red drives instead for cost savings. They come with 3 year warranty instead of 5 years warranty for RE4.

As for NAS, the Asus looks interesting. Looks like the RM 2557 price with 2 x 1TB RE4 with almost no discount.

Anyway for support and software / apps maturity, the Synology cannot be beaten. A comparable 2 bay Synology would be the DS713+. Be careful not to get DS712+ which is the older model without USB 3. They are RM 1999. RM 100 more than the Asus.


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post Jan 27 2014, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 27 2014, 04:47 PM)
If it's 2 bay with RAID, I assume you're going to use RAID 1?

2 x 1TB in RAID 1 = 1TB storage. Is that enough?

You can go for WD Red drives instead for cost savings. They come with 3 year warranty instead of 5 years warranty for RE4.

As for NAS, the Asus looks interesting. Looks like the RM 2557 price with 2 x 1TB RE4 with almost no discount.

Anyway for support and software / apps maturity, the Synology cannot be beaten. A comparable 2 bay Synology would be the DS713+. Be careful not to get DS712+ which is the older model without USB 3. They are RM 1999. RM 100 more than the Asus.
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Yeah RAID 1, easy and less headache. DS713+ + 2TB WD Red is a good deal too, inclining to that now. It's also has an extension bay, so should be fine.

Thanks for the information! thumbup.gif
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post Jan 28 2014, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(konakona @ Jan 27 2014, 07:52 PM)
Yeah RAID 1, easy and less headache. DS713+ + 2TB WD Red is a good deal too, inclining to that now. It's also has an extension bay, so should be fine.

Thanks for the information!  thumbup.gif
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Oh yes, forgot about the extension bay too.
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post Jan 31 2014, 09:58 AM

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where can i order hp proliant server online?
cos my local shop dont have and they also dont know about it...
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post Jan 31 2014, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Jan 31 2014, 09:58 AM)
where can i order hp proliant server online?
cos my local shop dont have and they also dont know about it...
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I bought mine from lelong.com.my but a bit expensive.

Anyway, those who have N40L, what is the transfer rate between pc and N40L connected through wired line? Mine only 11mbs max.
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post Jan 31 2014, 10:29 PM

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may i know which seller?
also around what price?
thanks.

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post Feb 1 2014, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Jan 31 2014, 07:24 PM)
I bought mine from lelong.com.my but a bit expensive.

Anyway, those who have N40L, what is the transfer rate between pc and N40L connected through wired line? Mine only 11mbs max.
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Are you using swtich and is your switch 1Gbps capable? or
Are you connect crossover from your PC to your N40L?

Chances are you're connecting through a 100Mbps switch, bottleneck, buy a 1Gbps switch and your problem solved, probably can reach 60~90MB/s depending on your hard disk speed.
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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Jan 31 2014, 10:29 PM)
may i know which seller?
also around what price?
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In lelong, just search N40L. Seller name is cylan.

QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Feb 1 2014, 08:46 AM)
Are you using swtich and is your switch 1Gbps capable? or
Are you connect crossover from your PC to your N40L?

Chances are you're connecting through a 100Mbps switch, bottleneck, buy a 1Gbps switch and your problem solved, probably can reach 60~90MB/s depending on your hard disk speed.
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Connect with adsl wifi modem router 150Mbps. I guess it not a gigabit router.
Usually how does ppl connect their NAS with streamyx line? Buy seperate adsl and router?
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Feb 2 2014, 12:08 AM)
In lelong, just search N40L. Seller name is cylan.
Connect with adsl wifi modem router 150Mbps guess it not a gigabit router.
Usually how does ppl connect their NAS with streamyx line? Buy seperate adsl and router?
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150Mbps is your WiFi speed, not your LAN speed. If you are doing file transfers from your computer through your cable (LAN) then it makes sense to get a gigabit router as the speed can reach 100+Mbps. If you prefer WiFi file transfers than it is usually to upgrade to 802.11ac to get the fast speed possible now (assuming your computer also supports 802.11ac connection).
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post Feb 2 2014, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Feb 2 2014, 12:08 AM)
In lelong, just search N40L. Seller name is cylan.
Connect with adsl wifi modem router 150Mbps. I guess it not a gigabit router.
Usually how does ppl connect their NAS with streamyx line? Buy seperate adsl and router?
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For cheapest and easiest way is to buy another Gbps switch and connect all your PC, NAS to it and another short interconnect to your router (ADSL WiFi router?) rather than spend another few hundred to get a router that has gigabit port, Gbps 5-port switch is cheap nowadays, TP-Link brand only cost RM50+? Well, depends on shops as well. sweat.gif
I still prefer wired over wireless if you need super stable transfer speed, the new AC is great but if you don't have good AC card on both end, it's pretty much useless, WiFi AC router cost more than RM300+ for a starter, the WiFi network card is not included yet. doh.gif
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Guys, what is the normal RW speed for NAS (mine-netgear readyNAS 104 with 2x4TB WD red) connected to D-LINK DES 1016 D switch and with unifi 5mbps (i dont know if this is related)?

it seems i only get 8mbs max doh.gif

it could take days to transfer 1TB file rclxub.gif

This post has been edited by drkpower: Feb 3 2014, 05:25 PM
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QUOTE(drkpower @ Feb 3 2014, 05:20 PM)
Guys, what is the normal RW speed for NAS (mine-netgear readyNAS 104 with 2x4TB WD red) connected to D-LINK DES 1016 D switch and with unifi 5mbps (i dont know if this is related)?

it seems i only get 8mbs max  doh.gif

it could take days to transfer 1TB file  rclxub.gif
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If I were you, I would change my router to a nice ASUS one. Then you should be literally able to get 10 times the speed you are getting now(actually more lol)

basically you need a gigabit router as the unifi one is only fastethernet, so the limit is 12.5mBps only...

EDIT: oh, you have a switch, so then I guess your PC NIC or your ethernet cable is knocking down the connection to 100mbps from 1gbps. Try to check whether your PC NIC is gigabit or not, and also see whether the cable is faulty or not. I had a crappy cat5e cable before that was stuck at 100mbps. after changing it, straight 1gbps thumbup.gif

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post Feb 4 2014, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(arslow @ Feb 4 2014, 12:40 AM)
If I were you, I would change my router to a nice ASUS one. Then you should be literally able to get 10 times the speed you are getting now(actually more lol)

basically you need a gigabit router as the unifi one is only fastethernet, so the limit is 12.5mBps only...

EDIT: oh, you have a switch, so then I guess your PC NIC or your ethernet cable is knocking down the connection to 100mbps from 1gbps. Try to check whether your PC NIC is gigabit or not, and also see whether the cable is faulty or  not. I had a crappy cat5e cable before that was stuck at 100mbps. after changing it, straight 1gbps thumbup.gif
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so this is not a gigabit right??
100BASE-TX Fast Ethernet doh.gif

how much for a good router?


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QUOTE(drkpower @ Feb 4 2014, 10:12 AM)
so this is not a gigabit right??
100BASE-TX Fast Ethernet  doh.gif

how much for a good router?
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Just change your switch, cheaper and less headache, for cheap layer-1 switch it's plug&play.
If you seriously needs 16-ports Gbps switch then it's much expensive, more than RM200+ (DLink brand), not so sure about TP-Link though.
8-port Gbps switch is around RM100 or less.
And about your "8mbps", is it MegaBytes? or Megabits? Huge difference there. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Feb 4 2014, 04:48 PM)
Just change your switch, cheaper and less headache, for cheap layer-1 switch it's plug&play.
If you seriously needs 16-ports Gbps switch then it's much expensive, more than RM200+ (DLink brand), not so sure about TP-Link though.
8-port Gbps switch is around RM100 or less.
And about your "8mbps", is it MegaBytes? or Megabits? Huge difference there. hmm.gif
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thanks for your reply bro
it is 8 megabyte/second

my friend came to the office just now and he said my Ethernet cable is an ancient one..cat5 doh.gif
and he also suggest change to a better switch

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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Feb 4 2014, 04:48 PM)
Just change your switch, cheaper and less headache, for cheap layer-1 switch it's plug&play.
If you seriously needs 16-ports Gbps switch then it's much expensive, more than RM200+ (DLink brand), not so sure about TP-Link though.
8-port Gbps switch is around RM100 or less.
And about your "8mbps", is it MegaBytes? or Megabits? Huge difference there. hmm.gif
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can those cheap switches actually sustain a 1gbps speed? something tells me no sweat.gif
Ok, maybe I guess if it just one connection it should be ok, but have never tried before.
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QUOTE(drkpower @ Feb 4 2014, 05:43 PM)
thanks for your reply bro
it is 8 megabyte/second

my friend came to the office just now and he said my Ethernet cable is an ancient one..cat5  doh.gif
and he also suggest change to a better switch
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Cat5, erm... well Cat5e can sustain 1Gbps speed without any issue in my home's network, but I'm not so sure about huge office environment (more than 20 PCs).
For home network where there's less than 5 busy devices on a single network, it's fine to use just Cat5e with cheap layer-1 switch, no issue at all.

QUOTE(arslow @ Feb 4 2014, 06:07 PM)
can those cheap switches actually sustain a 1gbps speed? something tells me no sweat.gif
Ok, maybe I guess if it just one connection it should be ok, but have never tried before.
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I'm using DLink 8-port Gbps switch, no issue on my end yet, been running months non-stop, the only bottleneck could be my hard disk, running without any RAID.
To maximize the huge files transfer speed in Windows network, you can actually set the Jumbo frame to 4K and above, but best to set a standard amount (4K or 8K, etc.) for all PC's network card for stability issue, it has been tested on my end here, from 60MB/s to 75MB/s, could be more depends on the hard disk speed again, can reach 90MB/s and above easily with really fast hard disk or SSD on both end.
For few PCs access a single device, that'll again depends on the hard disk accessibility speed, also it may depends on the services as well, priority queues stuff like that.
I have 2 PCs access a single file shares before, watching full HD movie on both sides without any issue, no lags at all, but if you going to seek the movie, probably will need to pause for few seconds (lag) instead of instantaneous seek. sweat.gif

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