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post Dec 18 2024, 12:17 PM

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if u do want to get seagate exo drives for nas, the recommendations ive seen said to get X18 or above.

X12 was noted as having a higher failure rate on backblaze, which is probably why scrutiny flagged them. But when i disable the scrutiny app metric and solely relied on normal smart, it was fine for the X12.

So do your own research sweat.gif

I'll wait at least 5+ years before buying more (this is when the warranty expires). Right now i'm at 30% total usage, so no need to get more for my backup solution which right now is more than enough to cover.

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post Feb 11 2025, 09:10 AM

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Past few months or a year or so, there's a sudden surge of Seagate HDD being sold at considerably low prices that what it usually is. Recently it was exposed those are used HDD with its S.M.A.R.T info wiped out. Now new info have come out, those HDD were from Chia crypto mining farms. Even the seller doesn't know it is used HDD

Used Seagate drives sold as new traced back to crypto mining farms
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A widespread scandal involving used Seagate hard drives fraudulently sold as new has continued to escalate, with new evidence suggesting that the drives originated from Chinese cryptocurrency mining farms. The drives, many of which had logged 15,000 to 50,000 hours of prior use, were reportedly altered to appear unused before re-entering the retail supply chain.

The first reports of affected drives surfaced in January, when consumers noticed inconsistencies in supposedly new Seagate Exos disk drives used in data centers. The issue has since expanded globally, with over 200 confirmed cases across Europe, Australia, Thailand, and Japan. While Seagate maintains that these products did not come from its official distribution channels, the scandal raises serious concerns about unauthorized resellers and supply chain security.

An investigation by Heise suggests that the fraudulent HDDs were sourced from mining operations in China to mine Chia, a cryptocurrency that caused a surge in HDD demand before becoming economically unviable.

During the Chia mining boom, demand for high-capacity hard drives skyrocketed, leading to shortages and price surges. However, as the profitability of Chia mining declined, many operations shut down, flooding the market with used hardware. It now appears that some of these used drives were relabeled and resold as new, deceiving both retailers and consumers.

Although standard SMART parameters track HDD usage, these values were reset to obscure the actual wear and tear. However, a more in-depth check using FARM (Field-Accessible Reliability Metrics) values can reveal a drive's true operational history. Consumers concerned about their purchases can verify their drives using Smartmontools version 7.4+ (use command: smartctl -l farm /dev/sda) or Seagate's SeaTools software.

Retailers impacted by the scandal have taken different approaches to address customer complaints. Some have acknowledged that they unknowingly sold these manipulated drives and are offering refunds or exchanges.

Seagate has distanced itself from the fraudulent sales, saying that it did not distribute the affected drives. It urges affected buyers to report their cases via fraud@seagate.com. The company has launched an internal investigation and is collaborating with retailers and law enforcement to track the fraudulent resellers.

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post Feb 12 2025, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Feb 11 2025, 09:10 AM)
Past few months or a year or so, there's a sudden surge of Seagate HDD being sold at considerably low prices that what it usually is. Recently it was exposed those are used HDD with its S.M.A.R.T info wiped out. Now new info have come out, those HDD were from Chia crypto mining farms. Even the seller doesn't know it is used HDD

Used Seagate drives sold as new traced back to crypto mining farms
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anyway to run this tool on Synology NAS?
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post Feb 12 2025, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Feb 11 2025, 09:10 AM)
Past few months or a year or so, there's a sudden surge of Seagate HDD being sold at considerably low prices that what it usually is. Recently it was exposed those are used HDD with its S.M.A.R.T info wiped out. Now new info have come out, those HDD were from Chia crypto mining farms. Even the seller doesn't know it is used HDD

Used Seagate drives sold as new traced back to crypto mining farms
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Plenty in Shopee.

I m skeptical and ask the seller got warranty or not. But no answer.
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post Feb 12 2025, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Feb 11 2025, 09:10 AM)
Past few months or a year or so, there's a sudden surge of Seagate HDD being sold at considerably low prices that what it usually is. Recently it was exposed those are used HDD with its S.M.A.R.T info wiped out. Now new info have come out, those HDD were from Chia crypto mining farms. Even the seller doesn't know it is used HDD

Used Seagate drives sold as new traced back to crypto mining farms
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bought a few seagate ironwolf 6tb from lazada back in 2023
smartctl -x returns power on hours as 9335 (~1.4 years)
smartctl -l farm returns power on hours as 38028 (~4.3 years)

price was cheap when i bought it, label also has typo
at least it was usable, and i only stored plex media files on it

btw, the shop was jasonaccess/TechAccessories
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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Feb 12 2025, 01:41 PM)
anyway to run this tool on Synology NAS?
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This video he have SSH into Synology NAS to run some checks
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post Feb 12 2025, 09:34 PM

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I am fully aware of these drives and still bought them, mostly off taobao because I get them at even lower prices than shopee/lazada.

I have 6x X18 18TB for NAS and 2x X12 12TB for desktop usage. Ran checks on all individual sectors and all 8 are fully green, not a single bad blocks. Touch wood they continue to work fine.

I probably got them at less than half the price I would pay for local retailers. To me, HDD, new or used, dies randomly. With enough parity drives and backups I will just swap out the dead disks if they die on me.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Feb 12 2025, 03:38 PM)
Plenty in Shopee.

I m skeptical and ask the seller got warranty or not. But no answer.
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I also saw the cheaper HDD in Shopee and was skeptical on the unusually low price. Lucky that time I wasn't in need of HDD

QUOTE(trix @ Feb 12 2025, 04:11 PM)
bought a few seagate ironwolf 6tb from lazada back in 2023
smartctl -x returns power on hours as 9335 (~1.4 years)
smartctl -l farm returns power on hours as 38028 (~4.3 years)

price was cheap when i bought it, label also has typo
at least it was usable, and i only stored plex media files on it

btw, the shop was jasonaccess/TechAccessories
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The seller advertise it as new HDD?
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Feb 13 2025, 06:50 AM)
I also saw the cheaper HDD in Shopee and was skeptical on the unusually low price. Lucky that time I wasn't in need of HDD
The seller advertise it as new HDD?
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As you guessed, they're scams, they wipe SMART to report they're "new"

Couldn't find that seller but found one called "Totem Electronic"

they claim "Original 3 year warranty"

But if you try to shove the serial number into the seagate website it generally does not work

Sometimes they will re-print a new label

Either way, too cheap, too sketchy, don't buy
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post Feb 13 2025, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Feb 13 2025, 06:50 AM)
The seller advertise it as new HDD?
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yup advertised as new
my thoughts at the time was this was failed qa smuggled out of factory
label was also reprinted and contains typo

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QUOTE(trix @ Feb 13 2025, 09:19 AM)
yup advertised as new
my thoughts at the time was this was failed qa smuggled out of factory
label was also reprinted and contains typo

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This is when newly bought? Actual already 4 years and 4 months? sweat.gif
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not sure if correct place to ask but im looking to get a nas for home use for my family
wondering roughly what price range they would be for something lightweight for just simple home use to store older pictures/videos and files since laptop storage is limited

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Feb 13 2025, 10:04 PM)
This is when newly bought? Actual already 4 years and 4 months? sweat.gif
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present day
so actual around 3years+ when i bought it
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post Feb 19 2025, 12:39 PM

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Sifus,

I'm split between Synology DS1522+ and Lockerstor AS6706T. Looking to multi-purpose the device; for file storage and some for streaming. They are about the same price but with some dramatically different specs. I've been reading thru pages upon pages but I guess local sifus are my best bet notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

Thanks
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QUOTE(K-o-E @ Feb 19 2025, 12:39 PM)
Sifus,

I'm split between Synology DS1522+ and Lockerstor AS6706T. Looking to multi-purpose the device; for file storage and some for streaming. They are about the same price but with some dramatically different specs. I've been reading thru pages upon pages but I guess local sifus are my best bet  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif

Thanks
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AS6706T have iGPU, if you need to reencode before stream, this is the only choice between these 2 NAS.
Intel Celeron N5105 seems slightly faster than AMD Ryzen R1600, but if just for file transfer then likely the difference is not noticeable.

DS1522+ have 1 more 3.5 bay while AS6706T have 2 more M.2 SSD and I believe it's not locked to any specific M.2 SSD unlike Synology need to use it's proprietary SSD if for storage. The LAN port is also 2.5GbE and there's PCIE slot that's not proprietary so can use 10GbE card for cheaper if you need the speed. DS1522+ also PCIE slot for 10GbE card but it's proprietary.

OS and software wise undoubtedly Synology is more polished and have more apps that can give similar feel to most of Google apps. If you plan to use the NAS apps than Synology have the upper hand, if you going for open source apps and run everything on Docker then both can do it.

You can try Synology OS demo and also it's apps demo by using this link below
https://demo.synology.com/en-global/dsm

Asustor also have it's live demo site for you to try the OS and it's apps
https://www.asustor.com/live_demo
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Feb 20 2025, 08:56 PM)
AS6706T have iGPU, if you need to reencode before stream, this is the only choice between these 2 NAS.
Intel Celeron N5105 seems slightly faster than AMD Ryzen R1600, but if just for file transfer then likely the difference is not noticeable.

DS1522+ have 1 more 3.5 bay while  AS6706T have 2 more M.2 SSD and I believe it's not locked to any specific M.2 SSD unlike Synology need to use it's proprietary SSD if for storage. The LAN port is also 2.5GbE and there's PCIE slot that's not proprietary so can use 10GbE card for cheaper if you need the speed. DS1522+ also PCIE slot for 10GbE card but it's proprietary.

OS and software wise undoubtedly Synology is more polished and have more apps that can give similar feel to most of Google apps. If you plan to use the NAS apps than Synology have the upper hand, if you going for open source apps and run everything on Docker then both can do it.

You can try Synology OS demo and also it's apps demo by using this link below
https://demo.synology.com/en-global/dsm

Asustor also have it's live demo site for you to try the OS and it's apps
https://www.asustor.com/live_demo
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awesome dude....thanks a million :-)
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post Feb 21 2025, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(K-o-E @ Feb 19 2025, 12:39 PM)
Sifus,

I'm split between Synology DS1522+ and Lockerstor AS6706T. Looking to multi-purpose the device; for file storage and some for streaming. They are about the same price but with some dramatically different specs. I've been reading thru pages upon pages but I guess local sifus are my best bet  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif

Thanks
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just to add on xxboxx's post, on the streaming part, depending on your configuration and playback device, you might not need to be concerned about reencode

my plex setup, playback devices consists of the following:
4k smart tvs
windows pc using plex app (using browser sometime requires reencode)
ipad (bought the app)
mi box s

plex relay disabled, external playback through vpn, all clients are considered local
so far all video streams are direct play
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QUOTE(trix @ Feb 21 2025, 10:19 AM)
just to add on xxboxx's post, on the streaming part, depending on your configuration and playback device, you might not need to be concerned about reencode

my plex setup, playback devices consists of the following:
4k smart tvs
windows pc using plex app (using browser sometime requires reencode)
ipad (bought the app)
mi box s

plex relay disabled, external playback through vpn, all clients are considered local
so far all video streams are direct play
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thanks for the additional inputs :-)
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post Mar 16 2025, 09:53 AM

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https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/...s-also-affected

tldr: safer buy from solid sources.

If you get from a dodgy source u may get hit, when trying to claim warranty. seagate wont help you.

when i bought my recent 12tb seagate exos drives. it said brand new and with 2-5 year warranty. but upon closer inspection. only 2 year is covered by seller. also when try claim warranty cannot. had to ask seller. seller said 2 months for new drive replacement. very dodgy.... so dont make same mistake as me sweat.gif

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Falsified Seagate's Exos and IronWolf Pro hard drives are sold by retailers in different countries and generally look almost like new. The drives appear unused to the software because their internal usage logs, specifically SMART parameters, were wiped. However, a closer look at these drives may reveal slight dents and scratches on the chassis as well as scratches on their SATA connector, which are clear signs of previous use.

Also, the QR codes on counterfeit units have been tampered with. Instead of linking to Seagate's usual verification page, they redirect to a warranty check that does not display the serial number or storage capacity, making it harder to verify authenticity. Since the labels on the drives are false, there are slight variations in label alignment and scaling. Finally, tools like smartmontools that can read Seagate's FARM (field-accessible reliability metrics) values reveal that some had operated for over 50,000 hours.


also if u think u r safe buying via shopee. u arent. when it is time to claim warranty (mine was 3 month after purchase), shopee wont help u with that. then u have to deal with the seller directly shakehead.gif


if u want to get the ACTUAL value for a suspected tampered drive, you had to use smartmontools to check to be 100% sure that the values weren't tampered with (reset then pretend it's new when it ain't). then there is also the scam of replacing the front stickers on the drive, another thing to watch out for rclxub.gif

it's just better to buy from credible sources tbh. not worth the risk when need to claim warranty.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Mar 16 2025, 10:29 AM
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Hi kinda new to this. Thinking to get Synology. May I know what is the reasonable price per TB for the HDD? Seems like there's no standard price. Was thinking to get 2x 16tb

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