The nvme ssd occupy a slot?

It got 2 m.2 slot at the bottom, need to add 2 ssd card if want write and read cache function. If add 1 ssd card only then it only do read cache. I think Synology set it as such because for data protection, when got 2 ssd it will be in RAID1 so have backup if one of the drive fail.

Picture from internet


Now performing drive check. 8TB, guess tomorrow only can complete drive check and start copy data into it.

After slightly over 12 hours it finish the drive check. Before start copy my data better put in second drive for redundancy, no need perform drive check since it take long time, plus the first drive already perform so 1 of the drive is sure to be no issue.


Damn, checking again...
Lesson learned, do all drive together, don't separately.

How much for the DS920+ and 8TB hdd?

2k+ for DS920+ and 800+ for each 8TB. If you willing to buy from Amazon, upcoming Black Friday is a good time to buy HDD as usually when offer it can get very cheap. 14TB might go below 1k.

BTW if going to use few HDDs for the storage pool, do all HDD together at one go, don't do one by one. First HDD I do it checking takes 12 hours, second HDD I add to the pool takes 24 hours to complete expanding, third HDD now I add to the pool takes 36 hours to complete expanding. That's 72 hours total time not counting in between time before added HDD just waiting it to complete.

Which NAS setup is the easiest to setup for replacing MS Onedrive and Google photos?

I need to deploy the solution to non-techies on their android phone for auto photo/video backup and replace their onedrive/google drive for pc file backup.

For now, 3 people will access the NAS with their own HD space (without intrusion to other people's drive space).

I have never setup a NAS before.

Things I currently have:

I have unlimited upload/download fiber optic internet in my house. 100mbps download/50 mpbs upload.

A Netgear R7000 router connected to a TP-Link Deco E4 mesh wifi. The wifi on the netgear has been disabled. Wired connection is still used. 2 free ethernet ports. The mesh wifi has 2 ethernet ports as well.

A unused intel NUC PC with 4th gen CPU.

Thanks

This post has been edited by mystvearn: Nov 19 2020, 10:28 AM

My experience on Synology for Photo/Video is good. Frequent using it.

You can either set up for common use or individual photo/video. Backup and view.

Download the synology apps for ios/android.

Get a switch data control and connect the NAS Synology with aggregate.

At the moment, 3 individuals wil require access to their HD space on the NAS. Each without intruding/seeing other people's HD. Work independent of each other. Can it setup that too?

Does this Synology come with HD or need to purchase separately? I see two different prices in Lazada and Shoppee.

It can setup for each individual use. Backup, photo/video, music, file etc. Can setup for over 100 user. (Forget the actual)

You're the admin to control the NAS.

It come without the hdd. HDD size depend your usage every yrs and forecast how long it last before full.

Setup the NAS in Raid. At least buy the 4hdd bay.

Can have 3 individual with their own space. Create everyone each their own account and their folder, then allow each account to only read & write their own folder. You also can set each folder can only occupy how many GB/TB space.



See this to understand how HDD, storage pool, volumes and folders work with each other. Start from bottom, Disk is the how many HDD that you have in the NAS. From there you create storage pool, this part you decide what RAID type you want to use, different type of RAID affect how many space you have. Example if use 4 HDD and set RAID-10, you only have half the space from HDD capacity, if set RAID-5 or SHR you have 75% of the space from HDD capacity. After that you create volume, you can create one or multiple volumes. After that only you create folders on which volume that you have.

If use Windows as comparison, folders in NAS are like partition that you create from HDD in Windows. Volume in NAS are like the HDD in Windows. NAS have another layer that is storage pool which is cumulative of the HDD that you have.

Usually seller sell NAS without HDD. Some do bundle with HDD but unless the price is cheaper it's better to buy separately.

Synology got Photos and Moments app that for upload photos and videos as well as managing it

xxboxx, Hi since you ask me about storage in another thread and I notice you are pro on NAS.
Need your favor to build for me how much I need to spend if I go for NAS with following requirement.

Minimum of 100 TB capacity as currently my external HDD storage already is 50 TB and currently only left less than 1 TB free.
I used it for storing video files only for the moment.

I want to know the total cost if I build up a NAS that is 100 TB to justified whether it worth to do NAS or not.
This 50 TB External HDD currently I spend around RM 6,500.00

No need Plex transcoding, this is 100% I not required.
Plex transcoding reduce the quality. I playback the video in actual quality and no transcoding is required.

Maybe backup as Snapshot only, no full backup as if full backup my capacity probably will need to double up in this case.
No need raid for high speed as well, this is optional as I don't think I use it and required.

Appreciate much if you could separate the NAS cost and HDD cost.

This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Nov 19 2020, 11:21 PM

but can use 2 HD right? One to mirror the other one? How long do the drives last?


If start with 2 HD? How long will the drives last?
Thinking of 1tb +, 1tb and 5tb partitions for the users

Wow 50TB of external storage

You have a lot terabytes of data that is not important and can be replaced if damage/missing, and some important data that irreplaceable? If so then I suggest use 2 HDD for redundancy/RAID for the important data while the rest is just a bunch of disk, no redundancy or backup. This way it doesn't cost so much for those not important data.

As for the NAS itself, you can go pre built like Synology or built yourself. Usually if need until 100TB it would be cost effective to built yourself, but need source each component for NAS use by yourself, learn how to install the OS and setup everything. Need some technical skills. But since most of the data is not in RAID, you can go 6 or 8 bays pre built NAS, 2 bays in RAID-1 for important data, while 4/6 bays each as own volume, this way you can use it as hot swappable, take out currently not need HDD and put in another HDD that you want to access. This way no need to get much more expensive plenty bays NAS while still can have 100TB now and expand in future.

For HDD, price per TB, now 8TB is the most lowest. Toshiba N300 is less than RM900 while Seagate Ironwolf is less than RM1100. Not recommend to get WD now because it might be SMR drive.
Depend on your external storage HDD in it, some if it using normal HDD inside, you can take out the HDD and use on NAS.

For NAS, if you built yourself it might cost around RM2000+ if everything is new. If prebuilt, 6 bay NAS I like DS1621+ hardware, price can get around RM3600. This comparison show how much more powerful the hardware is. If 8 bays NAS, DS1821+ still not yet selling in Malaysia, DS1819+ (around RM4500) hardware also not bad but random read/write not as fast as DS1621+.
DIY NAS pros is cheaper and can customized everything. Cons is need technical skills and time.
Prebuilt NAS pros is not much technical skills need to setup and maintain, everything is mostly automated. Cons is the hardware is more expensive, cannot upgrade.

Usually can last around 5 years, but actual is depends on usage, how take care, type of HDD.
Best is get NAS HDD, as it design for continuous running and have vibration protection.

Hi, the 50 TB data is important and cannot be replaced.

So I still need minimum capacity of 100 TB.

Thanks for your great input.

I am kind of lazy, haha! So may I know which prebuild NAS can fit in 100 TB (based on current available HDD capacity) and if can still expandable in future.

From your 8 TB, already required more than 10 bays. Wonder how much if they is any NAS had at least 10 bays so I can get at least 80 TB.

This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Nov 20 2020, 10:24 AM

My experience from 2 bay to 4 bay and last, 8 bay.

If for personnel use less traffic, 2bay is ok.

The cons about 2bay is,

1) The only way to expand if run out of space is by HDD. No extra bay to expand. Both HDD have to change together.
2) The chance of both hdd spoil is high. Cause you normally buy the hdd together. Backup is like no backup. Unless you can buy hdd separate time and place.
3) it only provided 1 LAN to communicate. If the LAN port spoil, you can't access your data anymore. No spare LAN.

My 2bay last about 5yrs, 4bay last about 6-7yrs. Now using 8bay.

HDD lifespan very much depend on brand I guess.

I have WD red last 5yrs and some still running. Have Samsung last 8yrs and some still running. Have new seagate stil running fine.l

How long to take for you to expand the size from 0 to 100tb?

And are you willing to spend on the initial cost?

That determines the type of NAS to get.

I use around 3 years fill up 50 TB. So I think another 50 TB is another 3 years.

Important as in the data cannot be damage or missing? Then you will need store in system which have checksum to maintain it's integrity such as RAID-5 or BTRFS. You also need to have backup of the data. If use prebuilt NAS get at least 8 bays. 8TB HDD won't cut it anymore. 12TB HDD x 8 you will have 84TB usable space if use SHR-1 or RAID-5, this method 1 HDD failure you still can replace it and get back all data. But too many HDD means chance of more than 1 HDD failing is higher, use SH-2 or RAID-6 can have 2 HDD failure and still get back all data, but this RAID type only 72TB usable space. You also need to get additional HDD as backup copies. So maybe around 12TB x 8 for storage and 8TB x 7 for backup.

If it's just video where file integrity is not really important, example if some bit-rot, the video will have glitch on some time frame, it's still acceptable. Then you can just use each HDD as own volume without any RAID, then get same total capacity of HDD for backup so that when main HDD fail you still have another backup.

If the data is super important, best practice is to have 3-2-1 backup rule. Have 3 copies of the same data, at least have 2 different storage media (another in dvd, bluray, tape drive) of the 3 copies, and store 1 copy offsite (in the cloud or at other home/location)

Wouldn't it be better to suggest him 12 or 16 bay instead as he doesn't seem the type to have a limited budget
This way, he can actually achieve the 100TB he wanted