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 NETWORK ATTACHED STORAGE (NAS) V2

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post May 28 2020, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(waghyu @ May 28 2020, 12:49 PM)
How long you use your WD Red already ?

I run array of 8 set for 6 years 24/7, solid performance no issue. Satisfied. Attached with another backup system so I'll keep this running and still using for other use.
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Pass 5yrs.

2pcs already down. And replace with Ironwolf.


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post May 28 2020, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ May 28 2020, 12:54 PM)
Pass 5yrs.

2pcs already down. And replace with Ironwolf.
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Owh, mean you substitute the broken disks with IronWolf ? Like upgrade, or building entirely new storage ?
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QUOTE(waghyu @ May 28 2020, 01:01 PM)
Owh, mean you substitute the broken disks with IronWolf ? Like upgrade, or building entirely new storage ?
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Replace the spoil WD red bad sector.

Total 8pcs need to replace. Slowly.
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post May 28 2020, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ May 28 2020, 01:12 PM)
Replace the spoil WD red bad sector.

Total 8pcs need to replace. Slowly.
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Which NAS box you use or custom linux based configuration? Some may have limit on size so check before committing to a setup.
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QUOTE(waghyu @ May 28 2020, 02:01 PM)
Which NAS box you use or custom linux based configuration? Some may have limit on size so check before committing to a setup.
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Synology DS1815+

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QUOTE(ozak @ May 28 2020, 02:46 PM)
Synology DS1815+
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Nice, very good NAS box and very stable low maintenance unit.

For custom and higher performance / bigger scale, there are other unix based setup can be made. Petabytes of storage are no issue.
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QUOTE(waghyu @ May 28 2020, 02:52 PM)
Nice, very good NAS box and very stable low maintenance unit.

For custom and higher performance / bigger scale, there are other unix based setup can be made. Petabytes of storage are no issue.
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House use only la.

Petabytes ? Not the NAS kill me. The HDD cost will kill me. sweat.gif

Cost maintain of HDD is more expensive than the NAS.

Unless there is some income coming from the NAS. biggrin.gif
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post May 28 2020, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ May 28 2020, 03:13 PM)
House use only la.

Petabytes ? Not the NAS kill me. The HDD cost will kill me.  sweat.gif

Cost maintain of HDD is more expensive than the NAS.

Unless there is some income coming from the NAS. biggrin.gif
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Yeah if got opportunity to deploy enterprise nas offering to customers, lets team up.
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post May 29 2020, 04:32 PM

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hi guys, if i wanted to setup a NAS for work purposes. whats the best option? need to backup work, photography + design work.
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post May 29 2020, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(kyLL @ May 29 2020, 04:32 PM)
hi guys, if i wanted to setup a NAS for work purposes. whats the best option? need to backup work, photography + design work.
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What sort of workflow is this? From what you stated, work is done on the local PC and only saved to the NAS for backups?
You're not actively working off the NAS?

How many clients are we talking about? What sort of PCs? What networking backbone do you have?

Working off the NAS ie. your active files live on the NAS will require more NAS resources compared to just backing up to NAS
More clients, more higher end PCs, 10Gbit networking = high end NAS with more RAM and spindles

Finally how important is the data on the NAS? Remember RAID or mirroring is not the same as backups.
If you get a ransomware, then everything on your RAID will be encrypted as well.

If you're just one person and have a lot of work stuff on your PC and only need a backup solution then a NAS is nice to have but probably overkill.

Synology and Qnap make some excellent NAS systems for home/SOHO use. You can start there.

This post has been edited by tishaban: May 29 2020, 04:44 PM
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post May 31 2020, 12:02 AM

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Anyone here use plex with NAS ?

So far tested Asustor price wise quite expensive hehehe
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QUOTE(kyLL @ May 29 2020, 04:32 PM)
hi guys, if i wanted to setup a NAS for work purposes. whats the best option? need to backup work, photography + design work.
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Just for backup? NAS can do a lot more than that. Your data should have protection against bit-rot, such as by using raid5 or btrfs with raid-1 which have checksum. Shadow Copy or Snapshots will provide protection against accidental deletion or wrongly edit, something like Manage Versions on Google Drive.
Anyway a storage that's accessible all the time are at higher risk of files being deleted or corrupted or encrypted by unauthorized user or malware/ransomware.
You should practice 3-2-1 backup strategy for important data. 3 copies of your data (your current data on PC and 2 backup copies) on two different media, which one copy off-site for disaster recovery.


QUOTE(MX510 @ May 31 2020, 12:02 AM)
Anyone here use plex with NAS ?

So far tested Asustor price wise quite expensive hehehe
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It used to be Asustor more cheaper than Synology and Qnap, I don't know if have changed now. You might be comparing higher end model of Asustor with lower end model of other brands.
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QUOTE(tishaban @ May 29 2020, 04:42 PM)
What sort of workflow is this? From what you stated, work is done on the local PC and only saved to the NAS for backups?
You're not actively working off the NAS?

How many clients are we talking about? What sort of PCs? What networking backbone do you have?

Working off the NAS ie. your active files live on the NAS will require more NAS resources compared to just backing up to NAS
More clients, more higher end PCs, 10Gbit networking = high end NAS with more RAM and spindles

Finally how important is the data on the NAS? Remember RAID or mirroring is not the same as backups.
If you get a ransomware, then everything on your RAID will be encrypted as well.

If you're just one person and have a lot of work stuff on your PC and only need a backup solution then a NAS is nice to have but probably overkill.

Synology and Qnap make some excellent NAS systems for home/SOHO use. You can start there.
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mainly backup purposes, working off the NAS would be a great option.

Only have like 5 clients active at a time

Data is 9/10 critical

"If you're just one person and have a lot of work stuff on your PC and only need a backup solution then a NAS is nice to have but probably overkill."

this pretty much sums it up. lol.

what should i get then?

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QUOTE(kyLL @ Jun 3 2020, 11:28 AM)
mainly backup purposes, working off the NAS would be a great option.

Only have like 5 clients active at a time

Data is 9/10 critical

"If you're just one person and have a lot of work stuff on your PC and only need a backup solution then a NAS is nice to have but probably overkill."

this pretty much sums it up. lol.

what should i get then?
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Haha so which one is the setup? One person or 5 people? How much data are we talking about roughly?
Backups is a different use case and is only one capability that a NAS can do.

The steps below works if your objective is for backups. Cloud would be for disaster recovery and is optional but highly recommended for you.

If one person:

1. get an external USB drive
2. install Veeam free, backup from one PC to that external drive
3. buy some cloud backup for offsite. Veeam can backup to cloud as well. Backblaze is cheapest but if your data is not a lot there are other cheaper options eg. Onedrive

If 5 people (or is it 1 person with 5 PCs?) backing up to NAS

1. make sure you have a wired network. NAS can work with wifi but it'll be slower
2. buy NAS
3. install Veeam free, backup from PCs to NAS
3b. or if you don't want to spend the money, buy one USB drive, setup one PC as the Veeam backup server to backup other PCs
4. buy cloud backup, sync from NAS to cloud. Qnap, Synology, etc all can backup to cloud

This post has been edited by tishaban: Jun 3 2020, 12:38 PM
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Is there anyone else that use Asustor here?
Now it got pi-hole app! rclxm9.gif

Was thinking to buy raspberry pi just for running pi-hole as DNS server then found out now there's pi-hole app in Asustor App Central. Been running for few hours and it does block ads as it supposed to. Only the Dashboard not very stable, refresh too many times and DNS Resolver and FTL goes offline. After few hours it keep spiking the CPU constantly but after flush logs it seem to use less CPU again. Need to monitor more if it is stable for daily use.
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QUOTE(tishaban @ Jun 3 2020, 12:37 PM)
Haha so which one is the setup? One person or 5 people? How much data are we talking about roughly?
Backups is a different use case and is only one capability that a NAS can do.

The steps below works if your objective is for backups. Cloud would be for disaster recovery and is optional but highly recommended for you.

If one person:

1. get an external USB drive
2. install Veeam free, backup from one PC to that external drive
3. buy some cloud backup for offsite. Veeam can backup to cloud as well. Backblaze is cheapest but if your data is not a lot there are other cheaper options eg. Onedrive

If 5 people (or is it 1 person with 5 PCs?) backing up to NAS

1. make sure you have a wired network. NAS can work with wifi but it'll be slower
2. buy NAS
3. install Veeam free, backup from PCs to NAS
3b. or if you don't want to spend the money, buy one USB drive, setup one PC as the Veeam backup server to backup other PCs
4. buy cloud backup, sync from NAS to cloud. Qnap, Synology, etc all can backup to cloud
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hahaha. 1-2 uers not 5 people. ^^;; sorry if i wasnt clear.

ok seems like cloud + external drives seem to be the way to go.

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QUOTE(waghyu @ May 28 2020, 04:17 PM)
Yeah if got opportunity to deploy enterprise nas offering to customers, lets team up.
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Just want to ask this need to setup a encrypted channel and provide them a private key to open the channel, am I right? But how do we make sure there is no backdoor will open? It could be like provision the VM to some Uni student for there testing and offer a affordable cost.
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QUOTE(XHunTerx123 @ Jun 5 2020, 03:01 PM)
Just want to ask this need to setup a encrypted channel and provide them a private key to open the channel, am I right? But how do we make sure there is no backdoor will open? It could be like provision the VM to some Uni student for there testing and offer a affordable cost.
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Can be both, encrypted and non (less secure).

Yeah like VM. But whats objective? If just VM session easy to deploy, they need high compute power?
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QUOTE(waghyu @ Jun 5 2020, 04:26 PM)
Can be both, encrypted and non (less secure).

Yeah like VM. But whats objective? If just VM session easy to deploy, they need high compute power?
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Not really need high compute. We can spawn container as well, if you have heard how digital ocean doing there DC, you will know, they keep earning money but without a big DC. They pump all VM until max for 1 Hypervisor or something. All VM are sharing but not individual.

The objective here is depending who are the buyer? If a person truly need something from affordable price but can let them have a testlab, for me we can target this area. But just my 2cent.

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