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 LYN Proton Saga/Iswara Driver's Thread! V27, all the older sifus went MIA liao :(

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post Oct 29 2013, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Oct 29 2013, 12:26 PM)
The pump has a lever driven by camshaft inside the engines. Attached pics should clarify.
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woah thanks! more information to put up biggrin.gif

btw that's a DAMN simple design, no accuracy in fuel pumping at all... i can see the reason of my shitty FC already aside my right foot attached to a lead ball laugh.gif
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post Oct 29 2013, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 29 2013, 12:30 PM)
btw that's a DAMN simple design, no accuracy in fuel pumping at all... i can see the reason of my shitty FC already aside my right foot attached to a lead ball laugh.gif
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Actually the fuel pump is not the one controlling fuel metering to the engine, it is the job of the carburettor. The fuelpump just pumps and if the carb is full the float jams the supply shut. So the fuel pump which keeps pumping will sent the excess back to the tank via a return pipe. That's why the fuel pump have 3 hoses.

see http://www.acksfaq.com/mechanical_fuel_pump.htm

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post Oct 29 2013, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Oct 29 2013, 01:20 PM)
Actually the fuel pump is not the one controlling fuel metering to the engine, it is the job of the carburettor. The fuelpump just pumps and if the carb is full the float jams the supply shut. So the fuel pump which keeps pumping will sent the excess back to the tank via a return pipe. That's why the fuel pump have 3 hoses.

see http://www.acksfaq.com/mechanical_fuel_pump.htm
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and carbs aren't the most efficient thing in automotive, hence everyone else moved out of it lol
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post Oct 29 2013, 02:43 PM

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I also learnt something new today : the fuel pump has a vent tube which is normally for the diaphragm to 'breathe'. It is also an outlet for fuel to bleed out when the diaphragm ruptures.

Not sure if Iswara got this feature, it can be a useful early indicator of fuel pump failure before we get stranded. On the other hand, such petrol leaking out can be a hazard.
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post Oct 29 2013, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Oct 29 2013, 02:43 PM)
I also learnt something new today : the fuel pump has a vent tube which is normally for the diaphragm to 'breathe'. It is also an outlet for fuel to bleed out when the diaphragm ruptures.

Not sure if Iswara got this feature, it can be a useful early indicator of fuel pump failure before we get stranded. On the other hand, such petrol leaking out can be a hazard.
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i wonder if i should replace the fuel pump...
the internals cannot be serviced right? not too sure if it's expensive or not to replace if buying ori proton
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post Oct 29 2013, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 29 2013, 02:41 PM)
and carbs aren't the most efficient thing in automotive, hence everyone else moved out of it lol
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Very true, someone described a carb function as a 'controlled fuel leak'.

OTOH, the fuel injection has less room for DIY. IINM you have to go back to the authorised workshop to repair, tune, check the ECU codes?

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post Oct 29 2013, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 29 2013, 02:50 PM)
i wonder if i should replace the fuel pump...
the internals cannot be serviced right? not too sure if it's expensive or not to replace if buying ori proton
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I never heard of people changing the diaphragm (which is the part likely to fail). Maybe the manufacturers design it this way.

I wonder if our forumners come across such thing, any comments from experience?

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post Oct 29 2013, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Oct 29 2013, 02:53 PM)
Very true, someone described a carb function as a 'controlled fuel leak'.

OTOH, the fuel injection has less room for DIY. IINM you have to go back to the authorised workshop to repair, tune, check the ECU codes?
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QUOTE(Albert B @ Oct 29 2013, 02:56 PM)
I never heard of people changing the diaphragm (which is the part likely to fail). Maybe the manufacturers design it this way.

I wonder if our forumners come across such thing, any comments from experience?
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well if you have those expensive equipments you could probably DIY FI's... but eh laugh.gif

if the part isn't too expensive maybe can just replace it anyways, like how one does to our cheap oil/air/fuel/atf filters.
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post Oct 29 2013, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 29 2013, 03:13 PM)
well if you have those expensive equipments you could probably DIY FI's... but eh laugh.gif

if the part isn't too expensive maybe can just replace it anyways, like how one does to our cheap oil/air/fuel/atf filters.
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Sadly, now is the era of throw-away parts. Just like nobody repair handphones, TVs, fans, printers ... anymore.

Anyway according to this post
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2483173
(post#14) the price of fuel pump is "below RM160" last year.
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post Oct 29 2013, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Oct 29 2013, 03:40 PM)
Sadly, now is the era of throw-away parts. Just like nobody repair handphones, TVs, fans, printers ... anymore.

Anyway according to this post
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2483173
(post#14) the price of fuel pump is "below RM160" last year.
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yes that is very sad indeed. and people wonder why i keep so many old antiques/junks at home and not changing new stuff. like my current smartphone, i think going to be 4 years... first gen 1ghz single core HTC desire with amoled. and the previous phone? nokia 3310 laugh.gif (it still works btw LOL! just need to find the battery and reboot the phone if the screen scrambles up)

and rofl i even replied to that post! laugh.gif
time to visit to my usual proton part stockist again laugh.gif

btw they don't sell brake drum cover, only the entire wheel hub/drum assembly sad.gif
mention on this as my drum cap came off during sepang, was "glued" to the rim cap (luckily lol) with grease all over the rim cap sad.gif
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post Oct 29 2013, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Oct 29 2013, 12:42 PM)
my iswara front converted to LMST.

if you want to do a proper conversion, will cost over between 1-2k, as you need to change most of the front chassis/bumper mounting points, fenders/bonnet

headlamps brand new original (recommended) is around 330 per piece/660 per pair.

the rest using 3rd party/taiwan materials. still needed over 1k.
if you cheapskate and do hackjob/knocking/drilling, used or non ori headlamps, then perhaps can do under 1k. however upon collision, your chassis is going to take a huge beating. not to mention night driving could be bad depending on the conditions of the headlamps you gotten.

picture: http://twitpic.com/cwd0ax
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i just ask the workshop and he said no need to replace all thing,just change the bumper itself and bracket..headlamp can use the current one..is it true?
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QUOTE(obelickz @ Oct 29 2013, 04:39 PM)
i just ask the workshop and he said no need to replace all thing,just change the bumper itself and bracket..headlamp can use the current one..is it true?
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cannnn

how it turns out in the end is up to your own discretion lo laugh.gif
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post Oct 29 2013, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(gemini sharti @ Oct 28 2013, 11:46 PM)
Which one is the cable that is connected to the odometer and trip meter. Both odometer and trip meter on my Iswara stopped running.
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Is the indicator for vehicle speed ok, or also not responding, or is just the trip & odometer kaput? IINM, the speedo cable moves all three.

If the speed dial is behaving normally, then your cable is ok, the problem is the gear mechanism for the km counter may be damaged or jammed by something.

This post has been edited by Albert B: Oct 29 2013, 08:17 PM
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post Oct 30 2013, 03:10 AM

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Ermm wanna ask... The steering nut for iswara is which size? Can we use the tyre spider lug wrench (the t shape 4 heads wrench) to loosen it?
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post Oct 30 2013, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(Davidoff888 @ Oct 30 2013, 03:10 AM)
Ermm wanna ask... The steering nut for iswara is which size? Can we use the tyre spider lug wrench (the t shape 4 heads wrench) to loosen it?
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see
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1914856/+1683

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post Oct 30 2013, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Oct 29 2013, 07:58 PM)
Is the indicator for vehicle speed ok, or also not responding, or is just the trip & odometer kaput? IINM, the speedo cable moves all three.

If the speed dial is behaving normally, then your cable is ok, the problem is the gear mechanism for the km counter may be damaged or jammed by something.
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The indicator for vehicle speed works fine. The odometer and the trip meter jammed since I bought the car 2nd hand in 2011. I did ask my mechanic, he said can just change the middle part for RM180. Is that my only option? Is there no other way to repair the gear mechanism?

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QUOTE(gemini sharti @ Oct 30 2013, 04:11 PM)
The indicator for vehicle speed works fine. The odometer and the trip meter jammed since I bought the car 2nd hand in 2011. I did ask my mechanic, he said can just change the middle part for RM180. Is that my only option? Is there no other way to repair the gear mechanism?
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if you know how to open it up, can maybe try to apply grease or fix broken points/joints.

other than that, naw have to replace, and suggest to get original.
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post Oct 30 2013, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Oct 23 2013, 11:47 AM)
The problem of "engine can crank, but does not fire" has many causes mainly classified under fuel problem, electrical problem and compression problem, and need to check to eliminate each one.

1) Take out the spark plugs and look at the condition for clues. You can google "spark plug condition" under images and you can see lots of pictures & guides.

2) See if your carburettor auto-choke is at the right position for cold engine.

3) To see you have a 'flooded engine', press fully the petrol pedal & maintain at that position (do not pump)  and crank the engine. This will help clear excess fuel in flooded engine.

4) To see if you have 'no fuel supply' problem, open the air filter, push back the carburettor piston and spray some carb cleaner  down inside (to be used as fuel), then crank the engine. If it fires for a short while, it's confirmed.

5) Electrical :
To test whether ignition system is the problem, remove one of the cables to the plug, fit in a spare spark plug, place this on the engine body with the plug screw thread touching the engine body (use a tape to hold in place), then ask a helper to crank the engine. Observe whether got spark. Caution: high voltage, do not touch the set-up when cranking - can give you electric shock. Also, if there is petrol leaks nearby, it may ignited by this.

You can google "testing ignition coil on plug" e.g.
http://autorepair.about.com/od/troubleshoo...st-manual_2.htm
http://www.doityourself.com/stry/how-to-te...-in-a-vehicle#b
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUOmsGiirTU
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Can you explain in detail and maybe with some pictures about the carburetor auto choke. Where is this part?
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post Oct 30 2013, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(gemini sharti @ Oct 30 2013, 06:18 PM)
Can you explain in detail and maybe with some pictures about the carburetor auto choke. Where is this part?
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At the right side of the carburettor you can see a small piston looks like a 'shock absorber' with a fat spring.
When engine is cold, it should be retracted, and you should see some slack in the the throttle cable.


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QUOTE(Albert B @ Oct 30 2013, 07:10 PM)
At the right side of the carburettor you can see a small piston looks like a 'shock absorber' with a fat spring.
When engine is cold, it should be retracted, and you should see some slack in the the throttle cable.
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Is the piston on my auto chock in correct position for cold start?

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