Introduction of Proton Saga / Iswara

The Proton Saga is the first car produced by Malaysian auto manufacturer Proton, based on the 1983 Mitsubishi Lancer Fiore. It first debuted in September 1985. The first Proton Saga that rolled off the production line was presented to the Malaysian National Museum as a symbol of the beginning of the Malaysian automotive industry.

Since then, the Proton Saga and its variants contributed to most of Proton's sales and revenues. The Saga variants are also popular among Malaysian taxi drivers and operators who need cheap vehicles with good fuel economy. The Saga is currently the longest surviving brand in a line of cars offered by Proton.

Saga / Iswara Owners List

1. kahheng (29/09)
2. chowdm
3. singchaii (16/09)
4. apache_utara
5. the_catacombs (15/09)
6. feralee
7. blackpc
8. domo_kun
9. bukanmain
10. ~Battousai~
11. ceo684
12. edtan5
13. Tainted
14. Xefron
15. RoxyMunky
16. keith121284
17. mengfui
18. hamiru
19. KeV
20. batista_beast (retired member. Now a BMW enthusiast)
21. kudepadi
22. eXpert
23. dcarbon AKA (yongfei)
24. bullet
25. lov3too4ll
26. daktzuk
27. elaineliew88
28. UnCleHenG
29. kevinlim001
30. airpool2407
31. jabelix
32. zhixin
33. CerealKiller
34. sonic_darkknight
35. leinnz
36. nightzstar
37. bjay1482
38. HughieRmX
39. popopi
40. xacrifizer
41. sonicscourge
42. kenzo
43. bryanhkc84
44. icyd
45. mickeywjy
46. andychan (31/8)
47. ronaldet
48. Gilbert5107(13/9)
49. stanum
50. jenniferyoke(19/10)
51. -pWs-
52. tysern
53. joekang86
54. dopeisgood
55. neosaint99
56. wkho555 get car on 11/10/07
57. flyingteeku
58. darude87
59. quick_shaq
60. stupidbump
61. carcraze66
62. how to save a life
63. kakashixws
64. XG.
65. chicaman
66. yewwing
67. neshh
68. virginslayer
69. ThanatosSwiftfire
70. kabyss87
71. firdz
72. ahseng84
73. englandcaptain
74. Anthony87
75. PureGeek
76. allenyip
77. PinkyWhite wub.gif
78. IcEMoCHa
79. felix5152001
80. shiinkuro31
81. lwc1989
82. Calvin
83. mE_duNNo
84. Halia_Merah
85. godspeeds
86. long_con
87. Nskyline
88. heavencloud
89. lkylyk
90. evoluzzion
91. Shawnzz
92. alexwsk
93. Maksimum
94. samosa
95. faidzal1982
96. Hikaru Kenshin
97. lennon_87
98. reuben_1991
99. aichiban
100. ibnuasad
101. juniorkirk
102. aidil_fahmi
103. rozz_1291 (current TS)
104. JJTam
105. ravemaster222003
106. eggtart
107. yOuNg$tEr
108. zyde
109. x_suncai
110. HoobastanK(2)
111. ronzai89
112. lengchai86
113. nap2617 aka Rudy
114. ~alternate fearless~ A.K.A HighRevSAGA/GMS
115. Arcsaber
116. UranusFoo
117. riduanteo
118. id86
119. Black Panther
120. napoli26
121. dakwan5555
122. mls_ gamer
123. johannemiir
124. Zack Styler
125. joshgm_119
126. shawns
127. TWLOH
128. Irenicus_extr
129. kellefe
130. touge_ke70
131. hamster9
132. cyclone61
133. 91jude
134. macho_siot
135. beastiex
136. Yashiro
137. Reizz
138. bobfuzie
139. Strawberry<3
140. evolution120
141. chris3k6
142. mchlkeys
143. taitianhin
144. Shafique
145. newaythem3
146. zax1116
147. Notoriez
148. jezztanjl
149. mizi28
150. layeong
151. Cyril
152. Alex_tan168
153. jackchong890
154. StarburstMz
155. Ah Hei
156. Chan320
157. Babyiswara
158. sinister_sid
159. stasis21
160. GTL
161. nookie7
162. wct
163. unxeen888
164. omgkenny
165. n3w
166. fleekreturn
167. Peekab0o
168. heavenly91
169. ILikePie
170. edwin1234
171. Quazacolt
172. Lowenkreuz
173. cyanboy

Do PM me if ur name is not listed!

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Tyre & Rim Info
1) PCD
-> stands for pitch circle diameter, numbers of bolts on the wheel
-> got a few PCD types: 100 (eg: wira, honda), 114.3 (eg: saga iswara, satria neo), 110 (kancil), etc.


2) Offset
-> distance from the center of the rim to the attaching disk part
-> normally can be adjusted using spacer


3) Spacer
-> a round piece of metal that has holes on it, the function is to avoid/adjust the wheel from rubbing the arch/fender
-> got few sizes/thickness
-> if u r using 8 holes rim sure need to add spacer on the front

4) 14" or 15"
-> i prefer 15" bcoz 14" less choices for performance tires tongue.gif

5) Best PCD and offset
-> 114.3 and 38-40 (need check with sifoo..)


Credit goes to: Killer
LYN Proton Saga/Iswara Drivers' Forum Rules n Regulations
Following rules are being implemented to prevent any unhappiness arise during discussion.

Rule 1:
This is not a trading thread. Any trading activities must be done in discreet. Use PM la!

Rule 2:
This is not a place for u to show off. Respect all saga/iswara driver if u doesn't own a saga/iswara but u wish to join our thread please respect all others member. Do not make statement like "This car doesn't deserve any modification". If u don't like us don't join our discussion. We also not welcome u to make any statement to show off here.

Rule 3:
All other LYN rules applied in this Forum too.

These rules and regulations has to be followed by existing and new members. Any unsatisfaction and comment pls PM me and allow me to discuss with all senior members before the rule is being change or new rule being implement.

Extra information on warranty issues:

Warranty FAQs
1. What makes the warranty contract null and void?
For details, please refer to your PROTON Service Booklet under Section 4 of Warranty and Limitation of Liability. However, PROTON reserves the right of final decision on all warranty claims.

2. What is covered by the warranty?

Subject to terms and conditions, PERUSAHAAN OTOMOBIL NASIONAL BERHAD (referred as PROTON) warrants that any items of the "Basic Warranty and Specific Warranty" of the new vehicle manufactured by and for PROTON shall be free from any defects in materials and workmanship of these warranty covered by new vehicle limited warranty will be repaired or replaced free of charge by any PROTON's authorised distributors or dealers.

Basic Warranty items

The basic warranty items that are any items of the new PROTON vehicle (except the Specific items and the Special transacted items*) are warranted to 24 months or 50,000 kms, whichever comes first.

Specific Warranty items

The specific warranty items listed below are warranted to 12 months or 20,000 kms, whichever comes first.

*
Battery (for Diesel - 6 months)
*
Exhaust
*
Injection nozzle for diesel powered vehicle
*
Glow plug for diesel powered vehicle

Special Transacted items*

The concerned manufacturer for Clarion radio cassette and speakers warrant the special transacted items.

3. What are the other types of warranty offered by EON?
Parts Warranty is given to all parts purchased at EON service network for 6 months or 10,000 kms, whichever comes first.

Rust Proofing Warranty is given to all PROTON vehicles, which are treated with anti-rust spray for 6 years from registration date.
4. Can I use my own lubricant/engine oil at EON Service Centre?
Yes. EON will not be responsible for any problem arising from the usage of other brands other than our recommended lubricant/engine oil.

5. Is it important to use genuine parts?

Yes, it is important that you use PROTON genuine parts and accessories.

This will ensure that the original vehicle specifications are maintained and that the replacement parts meet the same high standards as the vehicle original equipments. This will also ensure the vehicle compliance to the government regulations relating to vehicle safety and environmental controls. The use of parts that do not conform to the correct specification may cause damage to the vehicle and could also invalidate the terms of the warranty.

credit goes to Kevin

USUAL PERFORMANCE UPGRADE FOR SAGA/ISWARA

Intake
1. High Flow Open Pod (from rm50 onwards) or Drop In Air Filters (only K&N available, rm215)
2. Due to the bad placing of the stock air intake resulting in hot air being sucked, it is recommended to add a Cold Air Intake. Various types of hose available for this DIY upgrade. Position the intake in front of the radiator, and you will definitely gain valuable power and better the fuel consumption!

Exhaust
4-2-1 Tuned Length Extractor (from rm400 onwards) for high exhaust flow with minimal restriction & power increase. Use cap ayam brand and you will end up with power loss instead.

Ignition
1. Performance spark plug cable (from rm50 onwards). Recommended brands are the like of RAM and Pro Rallye. They say thick cables produce bigger spark which results in better combustion=more power=better fuel consumption. Some reported radio interference. However most enthusiast remain skeptic and stuck with the stock plug cable. So you decide.
2. Side gapped spark plug. This is a cheap performance upgrade. Your standard spark plug's electrode is shaved away to provide a bigger 'open' spark. It is also recommended to 'index' the spark plug so that when it's plugged in, the spark area will directly face the combustion chamber. Downside is, the plug will not last as long. Again, most enthusiast remain skeptic. http://performanceunlimited.com/documents/...idegapping.html

Engine
1. Port & Polish Engine Head (from rm400~rm1500). Smoothen the rough internals for better air/exhaust flow & power increase.
2. High Performance Camshafts (from rm600~rm1500). Modified camshafts profile can ensure more air-fuel mixture to reach the cylinder at the correct timing resulting in horsepower & torque increase.
3. Lightened Crank Pulley (from rm200~rm650). Release loss horsepower due to heavy stock crank pulley. Better acceleration and fuel consumption. Revs drop faster though. Enthusiasts are still arguing about rubber dampened or non-dampened crank pulley. Again, you decide.

Handling
1. Suspension (from rm500~RM2000). Depending on your budget and liking, you can opt for sports short stroke absorber coupled with sports spring or go for semi-adjustable absorbers. Be aware that this upgrade will cause uncomfortable ride. Brands like APM Performax cost about rm500 while adjustables from GAB or Improve will set you back about rm1500.
2. Chassis Stiffening Bars (from rm150 onwards). Front stabiliser bar, fender bars, lower arm bar, rear strut bar, etc will help the car reduce its flex during heavy corners and help the suspension keep the tires planted to the tarmac. The more bar installed, the more solid the ride. Not to mention they will add to the weight as well.

Brakes
1. Double Layer Brake Servo (from rm100 onwards) - This half cut item is popular among enthusiasts. A great help to improve stopping power. However idling will be a bit rough. Sourced from VR4, Pajero or Honda SM4.
2. High-Temp Brake Pads (from rm120 onwards) - Higher temperature handling will avoid the risk of fading brakes during aggressive or mountain driving. At the moment, Rapid Stop pads is the way to go.


This post has been edited by Peekab0o: Aug 26 2012, 01:00 AM

peeps, anyone of u done sound proofing on iswara? any recommendation?

no wo... huhu.. i guess quazacolt got do..not sure , need wait his reply..

have u all change timing belt before? i go change, at proton dealer, they said rm470. do i get cheat? so expensive one?

i have dynamat on 4 doors, foamed side sills, undercarriage and A pillars, soundproofed boot area and front tyre fenders..

outside noise is reduced, but wind noise + internal creaking here and there becomes more obvious.. huhu..

Yooh peekaboo sifu upgraded to TS huh ?? Must support then

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Added on August 26, 2012, 2:39 pmtry search stickymat in garage , he got a stuff for sondproof + windnoise reduse called P-rubber , damn effective man !!

This post has been edited by mgs89: Aug 26 2012, 02:39 PM

my hood cold start that time rpm less than 500 causing the hood to vibrate, very noisy, thats y need to find something to stick in between the hood and the chassis. so which 1 u guys recommend? P rubber or D rubber?

Hi, can i ask what is PCD ? i search with google and i get ***** Cat Dolls

This post has been edited by evolution120: Aug 26 2012, 06:56 PM

dats super expensiv la...go normal shop ok d..

i see... thanks thanks..

hmm where you staying? hotel? alone or with family (or friends?) ? lol

atm kinda hard la as car still now fixed
money is also another thing, and need to change tires during the track (unless anyone got those easy car jacks? (long long punya lol, and maybe air gun/drill thingy LOL) as semi slicks are banned, open track can use la i heard lol

eitherway, still boils down to additional expenses

@lowyat, quazacolt

u guys joining the 4g1series time attack?

Wow this thread is still going strong.
Btw would like to share the prices of certain parts.

Original wiper from Proton RM32
OEM Air Filter RM16-RM17
OEM Oil Filter below RM10
OEM Fuel Filter RM10
Recond Distributor RM200
Proton Distributor RM500++
Fuel Pump below RM160
OEM Spark Plug below RM20
OEM Plug Cable RM100
Signal light L/R RM32
Tire RM470 Dunlop R14. (4 biji)
Allignment and Balancing RM30
Power Window Motor RM100
Brake Pad RM20 (I think forgot liao)

This is what I have changed so far with my mechanic.
FUuuuuuu
But compared with continental car it is cheap right? o.O

This post has been edited by heavenly91: Aug 26 2012, 08:39 PM

whats your reason for sound proofing though? and yes ive done it as low yat 82 mentioned, both front doors and engine hood

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Added on August 26, 2012, 9:40 pmi recommend you to fix the original problem instead

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Added on August 26, 2012, 9:42 pmhavent decided, lowyat82 is going i believe.

lacking money, car havent fixed. and thinking of putting ARB/sport springs etc before going to prevent round 2 of sampan, as this time semi slick banned, scare my car over turn or something weih lol

and this means, a lot of extra expenses again :/

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Added on August 26, 2012, 9:50 pmweird, ur air filter macam more expensive, but your oil filter damn cheap, sure didnt terbalik? LOL

also, bosch plug cable rm50 je la, LYN folks selling, those are damn good and more than enough already for our car
(drex/howie also on general consensus XD)

the rest, just about right la, in fact you gotten some really good pricing too

for distributor, to save headaches, i personally recommend sticking with proton original despite the much more expensive price. recond ones tend to stall/die off, or even incorrect idling or rough engine performance. too much headaches for my preference to be honest. and at the end of the day, what you pay is what you get

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Aug 26 2012, 09:50 PM

Yo iswara driver here too, year 1997 1.3 aeroback

well, im not really sound proofing, but the materials im getting are for sound proofing purpose, so asking around only..

just changed my mounting about a year ago, when engine is warmed up, free gear is 1k to 1.2k rpm and D gear is about 800rpm.. but sadly, the front mounting already kong due to always engage D during traffic light, jam, etc.. but that doesnt bother me much.

so my intention is to get 1 or 2 meter of the sound proofing rubber between the hood and the chassis, so it doesnt give any sound..

but iirc, auto iswara, 3speeder, guess u have to engage 2nd gear to get good speeds, wouldnt that hurt ur engine and gb?

Shit..
My plug cable I got rip-off?
The fella get for me Proton d.

I also feel weird how come plug cable so expensive d.
Bunch of @ssholes mechanics.
But no choice
They also got to earn

Selling the following parts for Iswara only.

Iswara Bosch Front Headlamp-rm165(per side)
Iswara Bosch Signal lamp- rm50 per side
Iswara Taillamp Sedan Original Proton-rm200(per side)
Iswara Side Mirror-rm25 per side( local, manual type)
Top set gasket-rm215 Original Proton( many fakes out there, wont last)
Iswara Alternator Bosch rm170. 1 year warranty by Bosch
Iswara distributor original rm405. use taiwan one few months will spoil.
Iswara digital clock original proton rm70
Bosch Timing Belt kit set-rm60
Dayco Timing belt kit set-rm95
Iswara water pump. Original Proton rm55
Iswara engine mounting front-rm36, rear-rm 48, right-rm188 (made in japan), left-rm238(made in japan)
Pro-Rallye Plug Cable 10mm Made in USA-rm170
Bosch Sports Plug Cable 8mm-rm45
Iswara Original Proton clutch cable-rm30
Iswara Original Proton clutch kit set rm155
Iswara Original Exedy CLutch kit set made in Japan with skf bearing rm190.
Iswara Kayaba absorbers-front rm72, rear rm43 Original. many fakes out there
Iswara rear brake pump Bosch brand rm25 per side
Iswara lower arm-rm45 each(local)
Bosch Power Plus front brake pads-rm35
Brake shoe Cycar rm25
Bosch W8DC spark plugs-rm15(normal one)
Bosch Super4 spark plugs-rm42
Bosch wiperblades rm20
Bardahl 5w-40fully synthetic engine oil SM rm85, Bardahl 10w-40, semi-synthetic rm65,
Bosch oil filter rm8, Original Proton oil filter rm8
Bosch air filter rm9, local OSAKA air filter rm6
Fuel filter local rm5
Proton ATF oil rm22 per litre
Osram H4 bulbs rm10 each.

I got this from http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/717315/all




Hey TS can you put this list up?
This can help Iswara users from kena con

This post has been edited by heavenly91: Aug 26 2012, 10:36 PM

I bought the original Proton Bougicord spark plug cables for RM60 only

dulan
arghhhh
but I duno which workshop to go adi..
I just feel that all workshop also makan duit.
Celaka betul.
So angry