Vehicle = loaded gun.

Superb model you got there 😙

Always dollar and cents does matter . My proton got 2 airbag only . But i think is still ok 😎 long live p1 !

I have two cars that both got 5 star Ncap ratings but for different versions.

My 2011 Accord and my 2013 Ranger both have only 2 airbags.

I bought the Accord after seeing Top Gear's bit on the difference between the 3 star rating and the 5 star rating on the Euro Ncap. They used a Waja to demonstrate the 3 star rating. I was driving a Waja at the time.

Now I'm wondering if these cars are safe enough. Neither have traction control or any electronic safety gadgets apart from ABS.

Leather seats on my car would have cost more than all the additional safety features. The radar, the lane assist, the additional airbags, ... Safety isn't that expensive, that's why Proton can offer it on their cars (not to the degree of the VW, but at least significantly better than what Toyota etc. offer). The question is if people demand it. Do they say... rather than bigger rims and a body kit and leather seats I would have safety features? If yes, manufacturers will offer it. Sadly Malaysia doesn't seem there yet.

The good news: When you crash, you're more likely to survive (unless hit from the side). The bad news: You're more likely to crash.

Make sure you get good tyres, replace them early enough. That helps.

It's ok la, no need to be paranoid. I agree that driving safer cars if you have the options for it is good but it's not the end of the world if you don't have one. Those electronic driver aids are only getting especially more popular in the last 5 years or so. Many people drive cars which are already 10 yrs old or even older without any of those because they just cannot afford to change cars too often to follow the latest safety developments of today's. People have been driving for decades in cars without any of those features and yet most of them are not dead, badly injured, or heavily crashed right? Safer cars is good but IMHO more important still is good proper defensive driving skill and attitude.

And yeah put on good tires, the best you can afford no matter what you drive, that is more important too! You can have all the safety features in your cars but if you're being a cheapskate by putting shitty tires and even worse you don't look after them, it's just stupid and I saw too many people are like that unfortunately!

That's like saying in the 18th century people survived too, right? Well, some did. Many didn't. But those that did, great for them. There are plenty of road related fatalities happening, and that number could go down significantly with safer cars. It has in places that moved on towards safer cars.

Anyway, many things contribute to safety. Good tyres (they are the only thing that make contact with the road!), safe cars that are good at surviving crashes, safe cars that are good at avoiding crashes (which honestly I prefer... it saves money, trouble, unnecessary injuries etc.), and of course safe drivers that don't fiddle with their mobile phone and that are courteous and care about others, too. Each of these things reduce the risk of something bad happening. Do as much as you can afford.

Everyone can be a safe driver.

Good tyres is also something most people can afford to do, even if that means not going for the largest, flashiest rims possible. Small steel rims do the job. Small rims lead to cheaper tyres, and steel rims are cheap so you can afford better ones, and afford to replace in time. I guess you all know this, but for example (in Germany) my Golf has 17" rims (15" would work too). But people have gone up to 20". For the price of 17" Dunlop SP Sport Maxx RT2 (probably what I'll be getting as my next set), which according to reviews are some of the best tyres out there, I can't even get 20" Nankang. Small rims mean you can afford good tyres. 15" Continental PremiumContact 5 are half as expensive as 20" Nankang, and Continental tyres with 20" cost 5 times as much as 15" ones. All for the same car that is. Maybe if others can see expensive tyres from a distance, people would be willing to spend on them. Maybe it's time to go back to white lettering on tyres...

Safe cars... if you buy a new car these days, there is almost _always_ an option that has good protection. Yes, that may mean you have to buy a Proton rather than a Japanese brand. So what. Proton offers cheap cars with 6 airbags and stability control. Now, higher end active safety features (automatic braking etc.) are only available on few cars, and they do cost more... The features themselves are relatively cheap, VW charges roughly RM 5k for lane assist and adaptive cruise control when you order these features with your new car. Also many cars from B segment up can be ordered with these features in other countries. It's a matter of customers demanding these things.

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Feb 6 2017, 04:32 AM

This is the up to date car advanced . Many cars still lack of all the safety feature.
Automatic emergency braking means it could detect cars, pedestrian and other objects like a deer too ?

Well as I said before, I do agree safer cars is good but I also said it's not the end of the world if you have relatively less safer car by today's std. I'm not disagreeing about safer cars, but if you already have relatively less safer cars does not mean you have to be paranoid and quickly try to ditch your car and change to safer cars of today's std, you get what I mean or not??? For example also yourself who is a strong advocate of driving safer cars, now in say the next 3 years if got newer cars with much batter safety than your Golf, will you quickly ditch your Golf and buy the newer ones like that? If you're rich enough then can but many don't. So in the mean time you can do other things to keep you safe while driving that older cars, like I mentioned by having better defensive driving skill and attitude and put on the best tires you can afford. That's my point, so please understand exactly what I mean before you comment.

Ok. Then we kind of agree anyway. What I say is when it is time to buy a new car, THEN make safety a key criteria, as there is usually a safe option that fits the budget.

Yes but you may also need to be selective on the so called 'safety features'. IMHO so far only ABS, airbags, and VSC/ASM/TRC are good, the rest are still questionable, rubbish nonsense, or at least not important. I'd gladly trade off these other features like self brake assistance, lane change assistance, etc2. with cars that have better reliability, performance, and handling any time any day. Note also the more electronics you have because of those features, the more complicated the car will be and the more potential issues that can arise from those electronics and sensors. So for me I'd prefer to keep it as basic as possible, only choosing features which can be really beneficial like the 3 I mentioned above, the rest I will ignore.

bro, actually want to ask u long time ago.
what will ur safety car react when making u-turn over speed like 60-80kph.
will understeer. oversteer. flip over. spin over. or other answers?

as i still dont understand how a car can flip like turtle on the road

How is it still a u turn at 60-80kph? Isn't appropriate to call it a drift?

yes. want to see the result since safety car do wonders nowaday

Self braking has helped me already... it wouldn't have been a serious crash, but the car managed to react faster than I did. That is no surprise... humans have a very slow reaction time, the only advantage humans have is being able to see more/understand more and predict what is going to happen. However there are situations where you can't predict. That's where the computer helps.

Also the adaptive cruise control helps me save fuel and drive more consistent.

Lane assist has saved me a couple of times (keep in mind that I do sometimes drive 1500 km a day, and that it often is not possible to find a place to rest for 20, 30 minutes, sometimes even hours as lorry drivers are forced to rest at night here, and all car parks are completely blocked by lorries). There's no way I'd want to drive without it anymore. (And no, I don't drive any different from when I didn't have those assistants, guess I was lucky (and drove less back then). Also if I am this tired, I'll try to rest ASAP.

Never tried that, though I'd expect understeer. I think It'd corner better than a car without stability control though.

actually using stability control can made it at 60kph. impresive stunt performed by local fwd car. not sure that fella step on brake.

perhaps the limit has raised even higher now.

What, you drive 1500km a day??? Sure not accidentally added an extra 0 huh?

Man, you should really get yourself some sleep. Putting your life at risks like that is not worth it.

I used to drive a lot but not that much.

There is this Taiwan car review youtube channel that I watch. The host always emphasize on safety, encourages the viewer to buy safer cars and is not shy about criticizing carmakers when their safety is not up to par.

At the same time, he always repeat that these safety features are only there to assist, not replace the driver. NEVER rely on these safety assists so much that you cannot drive properly without them, which from what I understand from your post, is exactly what's happening to you.

Please make sure you are up for the driving ahead, never rely completely on these systems. One day you may be driving a car without these features, and in your drowsy state failed to realize you don't have the safety net you depended so much on, to keep you away from the ditch.

This post has been edited by dares: Feb 7 2017, 07:05 PM

Yup agree, people can get complacent thinking they're invincible coz they are driving cars full of such features. In the end that can actually backfire. His story above seems to indicate this symptom. That's why I keep saying, the driving skill and attitude is still way more important, and I'm still very selective on which safety features I believe are good.

嘉伟哥 ah

This post has been edited by ktek: Feb 8 2017, 01:27 AM