Why do people says don't take korean cars? Is it because of RV? Quite new to vehicles scene rite now.

Hmm in that case does it mean if your main concern is safety you shouldn't buy a car that is not Asean ncap tested even though ancap or euro ncap 5 star with full safety feature?

Cause maybe they use low quality steel?

But then asean ncap no test side impact so it's not complete also.. So how?

Automakers only put what's needed just to score the rating. Since Asean NCAP only test frontal, then they only improved on that. Other things consider 'untested' or 'unrated'.

Asean NCAP to get 4 star, need to have at least 11 points AOP score. Even though no ESP or ABS, still can get that score.
5 star rating must have at least 14 AOP, and ESP is a must. If the care scored 16 in AOP, still 4 star if no ESP. ASEAN NCAP will further improve. They are very new. They do not do side impact test by they provide passed/failed based on the automakers own crash data.

We follow ASEAN NCAP because that's the origin of the car (factory) and the required homologation. Car made in EU will not score the same in AU. Example, In india Polo can score 0 star in GNCAP, despite full score for Euro NCAP.

The passo/boon have better jncap rating compare the the pre-fl myvi.

This how automakers cut corners. Not only steel, but safety equipment level too.

This post has been edited by ruffstuff: Jan 24 2015, 02:23 PM

Hopefully malaysia will test like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL_4YP6ga78

where can i get more info on what AOP are tested? the result posted on Asean NCAP website is too brief compared to what was posted in ANCAP an Euro NCAP

AOP = Adult occupant protection.

Can get it at Asean NCAP web.

Korean cars used to be quite crappy. Not very reliable, not very good, poor resale value. The cars have improved a lot, but people change very slowly. They thing what was true 15 years ago still is true. That means resale value is a bit low. The cars themselves aren't bad. What also matters is the time of launch... i.e. a car that was launched 8 years ago, but is brand new, isn't as good as one that was launched 2 years ago and is 2 years old. (Though in terms of reliability and smaller problems the car from 8 years ago had more time to get those small problems fixed... that's why people say don't buy first batch).

It's hard to tell. There are different reasons for different ratings in different tests.

They may simply rate it differently, i.e. EuroNCAP stays within the class of cars. A A segment car has to withstand only an impact vs an A segment car in the test. If it were to crash into a big SUV things would look differently. ASEAN NCAP seems to put A and B segment cars in the same category...

They may have safety features missing, i.e. the Indian Polo came with 0 airbags. Even though the chassis, the steel etc. is the same as the European version with 6 airbags, it got 0 vs 5 stars. Without an airbag it didn't matter how strong the car itself is, you're going to hit the steering wheel and dashboard with full force, and that kills you. The Indian Polo was upgraded to 2 airbags (similar to how the Saga was upgraded from 1 to 2 when the crash test results came out), and now it is a safe car for frontal collisions.

They may have used fewer or less hot welding points, thinner/softer materials and miss elements to improve structural rigidity.

You might be able to compare the photos/videos of EuroNCAP crash tests vs those of ASEAN NCAP tests, to see if the structure is similar. And then use the EuroNCAP/ANCAP tests, if the safety spec is the same.

People say legislature is required for cars to be safe. I'd say Europe has one of the highest standard of safety for their cars. But it's not all due to legislature. For example, I have seen a base spec Mercedes Benz that comes with 1 airbag. 1 (!!!). That's not common, but it shows that car makers aren't forced by law to include many airbags (day time running lights are required by law though, as will be emergency city brakes AFAIK, and stability control?). The reason why 6 airbags are common is that customers demand that. Whereever possible, car makers do try to cut costs, even by leaving out safety/making it optional. Several cars, many perhaps don't come with side airbags for the rear passengers these days. They are optional (though not very expensive, say RM 800-1200 usually?).

Generally speaking without airbags a crash will be much more damaging than with, in the direction you are going. So say you are ALWAYS traveling alone, then for a frontal crash having only 1 airbag makes no difference. However for the passenger it's quite bad... I'd move the passenger seat as far back as possible if I don't have an airbag there.

For side impacts, the side and curtain airbags are crucial. Say you are driving through a junction, the traffic light says green. Someone coming from the side ignores his red light and drives into you. Not your fault, but he is well protected by his driver airbag, you, unless you have side and curtain airbags, aren't. Your head and body will be smashed into the windscreen or B pillar, which already will be pushed in thanks to the other car. Driver and passenger airbags are completely useless in this case (and vice versa).

What is needed is that ASEAN NCAP starts testing and rating side impacts as soon as possible, no punches held back. The results have to be shocking. If THAT happens and has an impact on buyers, we'll soon see many cars be equipped with 4 or 6 airbags as standard. Like how the Saga was immediately upgraded thanks to a very bad crash test result. For some cars of course that won't be possible easily (I'm thinking Vios), but that was Toyota's own mistake. Cars that are offered elsewhere with 6 airbags can be upgraded.
Unfortunately, ASEAN NCAP holds back on such damning results because that would hurt car makers. They are more concerned with the well being of Toyota than that of you guys.

@UbuntuClient: Those are long term endurance tests, not safety tests. Nothing to do with the subject of this thread.

And yes, car makers do those tests.

what do you think of kia and honda cars? euro/au ncap 5 stars, but in jpj UN R94/R95 excepted list.. some are tested in asean ncap, but most are not.

yes agree

the innocent ones have to pay the price

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4182989

If people would drive more safely, then it would really helps even with poorly rated cars.

Just two days ago when I was driving past Bukit Tambun on E1, I keep to the most inner lane trying to figure out a way to u-turn on the next exit. A freaking container haulage just honk and cut in at the very last moment forcing me to take evasive action. I think in Malaysia, you have to drive sensibly and lookout for idiots who might send you to hell/heaven.

So many tokok people in here, but I wonder how many of you are driving "safe" cars?

Safe driving is one part of the equasion. An important part, for sure. But not all dangerous situations can be avoided. People's reaction times and driving skills are not unlimited, and there are situations that ESP can get you out of that even a very skilled driver without ESP can't get out of (and I'm thinking racing driver skills). You simply don't have control over each wheel individually. And people's reaction time is higher than that of a computer.

I guess I'm driving a safe car. It's a Golf Mk 7, so it has traction control, stability control and ABS and a 5 star EuroNCAP rating. I've also got the optional airbag pack which adds 2 more airbags, for a total of 9.
The car is equipped with automatic emergency braking and adaptive cruise control via long range radar. (Yup, the system works. The car was once on the brakes while my foot was still moving there).
The car has lane keep assist to keep the car in the lane should I nod off. It's also a convenient feature cause it moves the steering wheel for you. Another feature that works very well.
Furthermore I have adaptive HID headlights, which vastly improve the light output during the night by being a) HID, b) on high beam all the time and just blocking out the places where other drivers are, so they don't get blinded and c) turning into corners.
There's the attention assist, which is supposed to tell me when I'm tired. Doesn't work on me. It notices when I'm talking to others, but not when I'm really tired. That's a waste of money.
Traffic sign recognition system will see and display speed limits, should I have missed them.
Multi collision brakes... if there is a crash, the car will engage the brakes after the crash so that I don't move on and crash again.

I think those are the main safety features? And yeah, the attention assist, adaptive HIDs, extra airbags, radar and lane assist did cost extra. They are not on the standard car.

Don't wear seat belts cause GOD will protect you.

I think it's the opposite. It's just that human can see what's coming and response way ahead. Electronic helps when human had no time to response which is what ESP and ABS were designed for.

Safer car does help, not denying that. Just feel that people should just feel their responsibility in helping to maintain a safer driving environment by keeping a good attitude.

MK7.5 already...

Sometimes. Some things, a human can sense first and react to it before the car sees it coming. Other things (those that you can't predict because your view is blocked for example), the car reacts faster. An attentive, safe driver together with a car that also works to protect the driver is what works best. You shouldn't rely on either. Don't drive an idiot because you have a safe car, cause that won't protect you. But also don't drive an unsafe car just because you think you're a safe driver and that's all that's needed.

So...? Mine was produced late 2012, so it's one of the earliest Mk 7.

Aanyway, VW changes their car throughout the production run, for example the adaptive cruise control got a downgrade for the 2014 model year, they are using a cheaper, not so good radar now. And I don't like the latest refresh of the Discover Pro GPS unit. They dropped the buttons and dials which I use all the time and find super useful.

Hope your are not bought that 1.4tsi 7speed dsg model . Give full star rating on what ncap also no use , you never know when will the gearbox breakdown 😑
From my personal experience , i langgar a vw jetta in the middle of traffic junction , im shock that his tail brake light didnt light up when the accident happen !
And then , i ask him to park somewhere for negotiate , and found his car gearbox cant engaged gear anymore. So suspect his gb kong suddenly and i rush up a bang =(
Well , no matter how i argue , i also lose up my insurance ncd . So lesson learn , have to take more care when tailgate any car especially vw product .
So my point is , please purchase car with less mechanic problem better than fancy high safety rating result machine. Just my view 😀



This post has been edited by Actchan: Feb 5 2017, 12:57 AM

It's the 1.4 TSI, but with a 6 speed manual. Not my favorite manual gearbox (too much focus on easy to drive), but it does the job. It's a lot better than VWs 5 speed manual they offer with entry level engines, and obviously it's way way way way better than the manual box Perodua uses.

In any case, I wouldn't buy a car without the safety specs on my car anymore, except if it were a weekend car that mostly sees racetrack use. There it's ok, but as a daily driver it needs to have this safety stuff. It's not just safer, it's also much more comfortable.

Relax Big Boy. I'm just teasing you not showing your purchase power in the land of VW changing car like change cloth. Sadly you have to facing the future of button less world. We started to adapt in the XC90.

Ah. I also only buy second hand... no way I can afford this car new (well, I don't want to anyway, with this car I'm soon free and only have to worry about maintenance, tax and insurance). The options did add a lot to the price tag. The safety tech not so much, that's quite affordable. But the GPS unit and some other options... those really add up. Hopefully I can drive this car for many more years

I hope there is a backlash. Buttonless cars don't make any sense, unless the car drives itself. But buttons require a lot less attention. There's a reason why many premium segment cars don't even have touchscreens. And on bumpy roads you'll hit anything but what you want to hit, while you can use the dials and buttons without even looking.