Should we not take the list as a guide to caution ourselves in buying any of these 70 models listed IF we really care about safety?

In other words, if the car you are going to buy is NOT in the list, it means it has complied and simply means it need not get exempted like the listed 70s odd model/variance (which actually means not complying)

I don't see VOLVO, so they are all safe, no Mercedes, no BMW, no Audi , no VWs, even Peugeot are all safe EXCEPT 207 (but if you are in second hand car market, 207 is a no-no).

The worst is Honda/Toyota /Nissan/Hyundai/Kia and Ford, which seemed to have way too many popular models listed and need exemption

Proton :except Saga N- Line , others are all safe

Perodua: VIVA and ALZA is no-no, rest are OK?!

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One can't help but wonder how many corners all these manufacturers cut to sell their cars here, especially all the locally manufactured CKD cars.

This.
With all the talk about car safety, ratings, airbags bla bla.... bikers still contributes to the most death and serious injuries in our country.

is there a thing called 'riding a safe bike' as opposed to 'driving a safe car'??

I believe the Honda Goldwing has airbags. Also there are helmets and biking suits with airbags, and of course wearing the right suit (no one does in Malaysia) helps a lot. Just watch MotoGP... if they would drive wearing the stuff Malaysian bikers wear... (of course their racing suits are extremely expensive).

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Aug 19 2013, 11:21 AM

and in the meantime ...sweat like a pig under the almost whole year round generous sunshine.

With bikes it's about active safety, riding gear, and rider skill and awareness. Oh and of course, being a nice and tolerant rider, abiding the law.

Bigger bikes have ABS, and some like the Honda Goldwing have airbags as well.

This post has been edited by VagueConcerns: Aug 19 2013, 11:27 AM

hey latest small lap test a week ago from U.S. of A.

http://www.livelifedrive.com/malaysia/news...ntal-crash-test

The small overlap crash test is a classic example of how different/more stringent requirement can yield what is good and what is not.

Take Kia Cerato as example

rated as poor just less than 2 weeks ago in USA, it is praised by ANCAP TODAY

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1308/S005...-crash-test.htm

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Odd, if this is the same US accord that scored 5 stars in the IIHS test, why did it perform worse in the ANCAP?

origin of manufacturing ? purely my speculation

that is why , we ought to wait for 29-08-2013 where the latest ASEAN NCAP result will be announced. Cannot take what it show in ANCAP, EURONCAP and IIHS as THE SAME which will apply here

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The problem is we don't know. Perhaps Volvo is missing from the list cause they were too insignificant to be even asked. I don't see Bufori either, or Lotus. Or Chery (on my mobile, so I didn't check). Are they safe? Especially the latter.

We also don't know why the Ford models aren't rated safe. Were they simply not tested? Or did they fail? Where did they fail?

Yes, but don't forget Germans have sun too. And that's when they take out their bikes for a joy ride, dressed up like the Michelin Man. A friends friend was once saved by his expensive protective gear. Some car driver opened his door, the biker had to make an evasive maneuver and crashed. Without he may have died. Of course this gear is expensive, and the main reason to ride a bike here is to save money. Not as a hobby for rich people who want to enjoy life.

Slightly different testing conditions, different rating. I think the photo can tell us quite a bit if the car is made the same way. The difference is often how the results are interpreted.

I wish EuroNCAP would update their old test results to also show what the current rating would be. As far as I understand with the exception of a few added tests (ESP and whiplash) the tests are the same.

End of this month there should be the next batch of ASEAN NCAP results...

So the question now is, which of all NCAPs, is the strictest?

I doubt about this, try get a volvo 240 year 1992 vs Myvi year 2013.

Since they constantly keep updating their standards...

But I'd expect EuroNCAP and ANCAP to be very strict, and ASEAN NCAP basically seems to copy them, so they are strict too (for the tests they do). IIHS and NHTSA (?) are pushing it a bit by doing small overlap tests now, which are much tougher on the cars (imagine some big metal plate pushing on your chest with 2 kg, and a nail pushing on your chest with 2 kg. The nail may make a hole in you, the plate won't).

One good example was the rail found on truck trailers to prevent cars driving under it. They may work fine when the car hits then trailer with the full front of the car, but if the overlap is small the rail will give in.

it is not about asking Volvo, read this

In 2011, the Ministry of Transport issued a list of United Nation Economic Council for Europe (UN ECE) regulations for motorcar assemblers and manufacturers in Malaysia to implement by January 2012. The deadline was first extended to June 2012.

I would add this directive will include Volvo as most if not all models are assembled here

http://www.thestar.com.my/story.aspx?file=...89&sec=business

but is Chery MOTORCARs Malaysia assembled? I don't think so as it it was going to set up assembly but not quite yet http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...n-Malaysia.aspx )

Who has to comply
http://www.motortrader.com.my/news/the-mod...they-are-built/

refer below for a simpler view



Todate, 70 car variances were still given exemption for non-compliance when the local car manufacturer and assembler could not meet two items on the list namely UN ECE R94 (frontal collision system) and UN ECE R95 (side collision)

Since the directive was issued, the exemption is still valid todate at the cost of the public’s safety and life endangerment.

The exemption by JPJ is not in tandem with the spirit under the NCAP which was a collaboration signed between the Global New Car Assessment Program (GNCAP) and the Malaysian Institute of Road Safety Research (MIROS) on 7th of December 2011 but will continue to model Malaysia as a dumping ground for foreign cars with sub-standard safety compliance.

A global car manufacturer has to engineer the car to four different types of national specifications but usually it was designed in compliance to either the US specifications or the General Market specifications. There are also the European specifications and Japan specifications. The US specification is usually the most expensive because of the high safety and environmental specifications.

The difference between those national specifications is so big that some carmakers like Toyota for example produces two different models of the same car for different region. This is partly the reason why the US market has a different looking Toyota Camry and in Malaysia, most global carmakers did not conform but was given exemption from adhering to the UNECE R94 and R95.

Developing markets like Malaysia usually get the general specifications body, which may or may not comply to UNECE R94 and R95.

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Aug 19 2013, 01:04 PM

I don't have any doubt the Myvi will be safer.

Ford isn't on that list, they don't produce/assemble in Malaysia. Why is it on the list for not being safe?

It's all very random and weird, sorry.

I have also noticed that some CBUs were also included, e.g. Naza Kia Optima TF & Picanto TA...

My guess is Ford which is handled by Sime Darby owns an Assembly plant (INOKOM) that apart from assembling Hyundai , also contract manufacture BMW, Landrover, Mini , Mazda...so perhaps, Ford cars upon arrival in Malaysia, has some bit of tyres fastening, pain job, etc. done there? since The Mazda3 is based on the Ford global C1 platform, shared with the latest European Ford Focus? just like how Mazda 2 is based on DE platform, which Ford also used for the 2008 Ford Fiesta???.

I dunno for sure. Thing are not very transparent here in Malaysia (and Sime Darby which happens to be a Giant quasi-government linked company/conglomerate would not necessarily want to make things transparent to amateur like me), I am also trying to make sense of this whole discovery, and one thing for sure is this sort of list and the long and further pro-long granted exemption without coming to main stream media attention is worrisome.

Consumer deserve to know there is such list of 'non-compliant' and even 'get exempted from complying', how any consumer would like to interpret the listed models is entirely up to them /us.

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Aug 19 2013, 04:58 PM