you know why malaysia so many people die in road accidents? locally made cars offer bad safety and handling. Do NOT try at savvy at 170 please. DO think about other road users.

I just noticed something about the different reviews that are posted about the savvy

If there are other cars within the same price range (i.e a difference of a few hundred) the savvy always tend to get a bad review. UK reviews usually reflect this.

But if the price difference is big...say a few thousand...then the savvy tends to get a better review. Like the recent australia review.

Even the recent article about the savvy in the AutoCar magazine had conflicting reviews between the reviewers from Malaysia and the reviewers from UK. So the bottom line is, as long as there are better choices out there within the same price range, no one will bother looking at a proton.

Check out the actual car prices before taxes in Malaysia...
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=290158

If this was the actual car prices in Malaysia....Proton will never be able to survive. Proton...buck up!!!! I have seen what good mechanics can do with the proton cars.

Now the whole main post was to get an honest opinion abou the savvy so this is my 2 cents after talking to a few mechanics

1. Nice handling
2. Good performance but only if it is well maintained. OOh and maintence for this car is higher as the renault engine does require extra tender care.


Sorry I went on too long

you can NEVER compare prices of cars without taxes....every country tax imported cars...try and check proton's price in UK...then you will know. It's just that whether the govt is taxing a higher or lower rate...
petrol price increase after NAP....you want cheaper cars petrol price x3 worth it?

honestly, the price list before tax is just a dream for us which we can never achieve... sad!

I think ur missing the point. The whole reason of comparing the original price of a car against another car is to determine its price to value ratio. Ignoring all other factors like import and excise duty, sales tax and so on, we can have a level playing ground in which to relatively judge all car's value.

Say for an example, you have a civic for 120k, and a waja for 60k. This is after tax. Let's say you take away all taxes and both cars arrive at a pretty similar pre-tax price, like 50k. Now, compare the features, build, quality and everything about both cars. The civic has I-vtec DOHC, the waja has I-have-nothing-not-even-DOHC SOHC. The civic has EL meter panel, the waja has normal meter panel. THe civic has lush interior with padded panels and good fabric, the waja has hard plastic. The civic has.... yada yada. Now at the same cost, the civic features far more features than waja.

You can argue that Honda has a much higher volume to offset the cost, but the fact is, Proton's stubborn insistence on producing sub-quality cars without addressing the issues that the rakyat care most about and even refusing to partner with other larger companies to increase their economy of scale, has eventually brought Proton to this realistic doom.

So from here its clear to see that the only way proton can compete is to put taxes on foreign competitors. However, this only guareenties Proton's survival in the local market. Being successful in the local market does nothing to improve the country's economy. It must export cars in order to truly help our economy, and when exported, again the price to value ratio comes to play. So who will buy a waja over a civic if they were to be priced similarly in say, US?

The whole protection thingy is a two edged sword. While it gives a good stepping stone for local companies, it breeds complacency, especially when applied to Malaysia where most of the rakyat are lazy and hedonistic in nature.

Proton is successfull in the local market ?

If u look at its citizen being forced to buy them, then yeah they are very successful...

I think the Waja Campro is DOHC (DOHC that appeared in 1980s that is).

Thanks man. You managed to explain what I wanted to say

Exactly. Without government protection, there goes their "success".

Soggie, you've really made a point here. Proton can do better than now, but the nature of Malaysians.........

This quote is too rough, might cause flame from Savvy owner dude. and savvy is not as bad as u think.

wow savvy should change name to speedy

this remind me of a mail that i received where a horror accident happen in plus highway on the way to ipoh where a young driver crash his kancil to a bus and kill 2 girls inside...1 of girls suuffer face trauma which her face totally tear off(the photo might inside kopitiam)....and that is without airbag....

not to say airbag can save the girl if kancil has airbag, but without airbag, i can save chances to survive in that high speed crashing is 0%...

i think everyone should go for defensive driving courses... really good...

It helps too if your car has safety features.

The driver survived...look carefully at the pictures, we can't really tell if the driver was speeding or not..maybe's he's asleep and unknowingly swerved into emergency lane.. look at the extend of the injuries, even with airbags the girl will still die, cos the roof pillars collapsed winscreen killed the girls on the spot..

A soft car with airbags would not save your life, active safety features like hard shell monocoque chassis and good handling still matter most.

*wrong post*

This post has been edited by dstl1128: May 19 2006, 03:41 PM

Joke of the day

Airbag is designed to cushion the blow from the car during an accident. It reduces the impact to vital organs, including head, neck, and chest. You claim it will not save lives? that's utterly bullshlt.

Hard shell would help but without airbags to cushion the blow away from drivers, it is useless.

Good handling is out of the question unless you are talking about accident prevention. Can handling help during an accident? No, please, god gives us brain then use it.

This shows how biased and pathetic you are to promote your Protong Savvy in the forum. How much Protong pay you uh? People buy Protong bcoz they have no choice, not because of the shlthole handling by Lotus. The govt protected Protong with taxes and duties is a good way to show Protong cars are inferior in quality than imports. Why brag about it, whereby the fact it is cheap and nasty on the inside.


Just by looking at it, it makes me wanna

Handling is an active safety features.. who defind one?? can tell more about it..


beside, savvy is a direct rival to Yaris,Fitz,Swift in Euro?? I wonder who want to buy..

man - your posts were great so far ..........till this one.

nowadays, cars are made to crumble upon impact to absorb the impact.

and it's not just the shell, but the overall structure of the car as well.

good handling? now how often do we come by an accident that could be saved by good handling? and i can't remember good handling being regarded as a safety feature either......

I dont call recall good handling car saves lives. It is good defensive driving skills that saves lives.

An hard body might be good thing but i wonder when an accident occured and if the hard body did not absorb the damage, will the driver and the passenger absorbs the damage?

That is why nowdays cars are designed with softer front soo it can absorb the damage and minimize the impact towards driver and passenger during an impact.