We understanding on proton with Mitsubishi relationship.

Just we not bother proton what they like in package with Exora put on 1.6L engine.

If they get smart on Exora very early stage has been selling 1.8 or 2.0L anytime..

If you guys get smart you know what meant.

This post has been edited by kimsim: Jun 25 2013, 01:01 PM

Because Proton not smart enough to have 1.8 or 2.0 engine at that time. Now, they have 1.6 turbocharged engine which is powerful enough to move the heavy exora.

Do you how the Airport taxi said?

When Exora got 2.0L for them...

The 1.6 turbocharged have higher torque than 2.0l engine. The ECU tuned with better pickup than Preve.

Proton have eventually solved the under power problem, for all their current models.

No any option for 2.0L for Exora or Preve?

No. Because they simply dont have any 2.0, and they have 1.6 turbocharged for the same amount of power.

Proton campro replacement is NFE 1.2, 1.4, 1.8. NA and turbocharged. This is not include the Petronas 1.8/2.0. That engine is not in schedule for mass market.

Campro 1.6 CFE not powerful like 2.0L engine. Still can feel lack of power. What to expect from 138hp engine. If 10 years ago, maybe yes..
Current 2.0L NA engine can give no less 150hp. Some Korean car engine that being said inferior tech can give 160-170hp.
Somemore CVT not a proper mate wt CFE.

This post has been edited by khusyairi: Jun 25 2013, 02:01 PM

Actually I like my Sylphy at low Hp, but in high torque

Engine type: MR20DE 1,997cc, 4-cylinder electronic fuel injection system (ECCS), DOHC with CVTC, balancer shaft and drive-by-wire technology
Max. Power: 131hp @ 5,200rpm
Max. Torque: 191Nm @ 4,400rpm

Just slightly accleerate on up hill only, never feel the lack power of CVT.

The ECU was tuned to meet the CVT torque capped. 1.6 NA campro can be tuned to give insane output. See those R3 race car. We are not talking about output alone. As far as underpower issued with Exora, it is already solved with CFE. Just keep in mind, it is a people mover vehicle.

10 years old tech engine. not being use anymore in new sylphy 2013 due to low hp.

Ya correct the high specs in 1.8L only.
Dual C-CVT and pure drive CVT.

For me I was still prefer the current 2.0L over than smaller 1.8L for fuel economy.

That's why I would suggest ppl buy Inspira 2.0L rather than get CFE.

Petronas engines of 1.8/2.0 is not for mass market ? Thanks.

True. Usually bigger cc will give better feel & power.
Same also wt Merc 2.0 kompressor. I still think 2.4 cc Accord better.
I dont like turbo lag..

Agree with you.

One day got money, I will collect Cefiro 3.0 V6 wow

hi edison1437 & ironthomas,

There is local owners organised club that organise racing at Sepang racetrack. Forgot what club, looks like Forte club vs Lancer club vs Inspira club vs Civic club. You can find them pitting against each other in Civic FD, Lancer, Forte, Inspira. I think that club should have expanded further to include Elantra and new Civic. At that time, never seen Inspira win much for standard NA engine category.

Without VSC, for FF car with multi-link rear, if the back is not heavy enough and lack the real wide stance to counter the weight distribution in front, it will go into understeer when hard cornering at over certain speed limit eg. 100km/h or 120km/h. Forte 2.0L despite torsion beam, the VSC prevents it from understeer allowing it to take hard corner at higher speed than Inspira.

The Lancer/Inspira CVT ATF fluid change maintenance is correct, you can check with SC if you doubted my comment. When Inspira introduced, the original Lancer could still sell mainly because many of the parts in Inspira are not MMC made. Check RV for Lancer, it is still ok though not as strong as back then reason being people buy it for its better suspension, handling and build quality. If Inspira handling and quality are somewhere close to Lancer, it could have defeated Lancer like how Perdana RM80k killed off Galant RM110k in 1994.


kcng,

Refer N-brand defensive driving course held in 2007/2008 and you'll understand what people talking here. All the N-brand models participated at that time failed the handling part and went into understeer dangerously. THis is due to poor suspension setup and no VSC. Having flat side stance, only bent by less than 5 degree angle on the spring.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Jun 29 2013, 12:09 AM

hi khusyairi,

Turbolag only happens in older wastegate turbocharger. Turbolag means the exhaust gas pressure suddenly not enough to spin the turbine when there's sudden deceleration or abrupt sudden brake and then floor the pedal again. The newer type such as VGT and twinscroll turbocharger came up with low pressure and high pressure mode to eliminate lag.

If you meant sluggish at lower speed eg. turbocharger activates only from 1600rpm, at less than 1600rpm that is at 800-1599rpm would rely on the engine own strength to pull. The Merc 200kompressor is actually powered by 1.8L engine and its kerb weight at >1500kg. Like that sure engine feels weaker when turbo not activated.

If you look at Mondeo 2.0T, its 2.0L engine itself generate torque 200Nm on its own therefore, it is not a problem even if its VGT turbocharger activate at 4000rpm onwards. As long as the engine itself is not too small for the chassis weight, you won't feel weak at low end.

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kimsim,

You said Sylphy at low Hp, but in high torque

Engine type: MR20DE 1,997cc, 4-cylinder electronic fuel injection system (ECCS), DOHC with CVTC, balancer shaft and drive-by-wire technology
Max. Power: 131hp @ 5,200rpm
Max. Torque: 191Nm @ 4,400rpm
Just slightly accleerate on up hill only, never feel the lack power of CVT.

As khusyairi said, that is 10 years ago tech engine. New Sentra 2013 don't use that. Even US Sentra MR20DE engine with EGR tuned to >140ps. You need to park the Sylphy on steep slope like certain part of Cameron Highland or Genting Highland with a Forte 2.0 next to you. Then both start to move up from zero, you'll find the Sylphy sluggish like it's struggling to move a bit. Try with reverse as well, it'll be worse.

honestly i dunno what should i reply you other than " "

Wake up la dude. Its not 99% local parts la! Most lancer owner said that coz they bought at expensive and feel butthurt. Alot of parts are still from japan, only those make up and some accessories is assembly local by proton. Those lancer selling 120k last time when inspira is not launched. Inspira can be sold cheaper alot is because is made in malaysia and and those parts inside inspira is re-make locally. Do you know that inspira 2012 still have the hot hair blow equipped? Those lancer try to trade in and see, their tears will come out anytime.
For your engine quote, inspira never use campro engine, all are mitsu engine. Dont be fooled by other ppl, there's agreement when they get the lancer from mitsu and convert to proton, the engine is not allowed to be modified by proton and reselling locally. If the engine is campro, alot of people will suffering because of the thirsty campro engine.

TS

care to sexplain wat criteria in choosing ur ride?

Power
Gadgets
Handling
FC
The Looks
The Brand????
Value For Money

in term of Spirited Driving for me
Inspira Rulessssssss
just my personal opinion

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Not sure of sylphy but forte 2.0 is underpowered as well. Never tried sylphy yet but tried accord 2.0, civic 2.0, inspira 2.0, camry 2.0, altis 1.8 are still much better than forte 2.0. Forte is a real disappointed car. Even 1.6 then 4at failed, then new 6at still failed.. Suggest better forte tutup kilang