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post Feb 21 2014, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(raydenex @ Feb 21 2014, 01:25 PM)
Might not be the right place, but since it has some relation to the BIOS update to H87/B85 chipset that enables overclocking of K series Haswell;

i5-4440 in an Asus H87M-E motherboard with BIOS version 0604 out of the box (dated 30/8/2013). Detected as i5-4440 in BIOS, Windows 7 (My Computer -> Properties), CPU-Z, HWmonitor.

Then I flashed the BIOS to the latest one at https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/H87ME/#support to 0904 (dated 17/1/2014). The changes I observed;

Still detected as i5-4440 in BIOS, Windows 7. But in CPU-Z and HWmonitor it now shows i5-4670S.
Still clocked as 3.1ghz with 3.3ghz turbo like a 4440 and 84w TDP, as 4670s suppose to have 3.8ghz turbo and 65w TDP.

Anybody knows what happened here?
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I suggest you to contact ASUS support service since this is mobo specific question.
It could be either BIOS or CPU-Z/HWMonitor issue.

QUOTE(DesktopLimousine @ Feb 21 2014, 03:32 PM)
what is the common stable voltage for 4770k at 4.5ghz 24/7?
does it need to run 4c/8t?
may i know best batch for this CPU? I need to know as im planning to get 4770k.
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Voltage required is depends on chip and it's unique from chip to chip.
From what I observed a 4770K @ 4.5GHz around 1.15v is a good chip, bad chip like mine requires 1.25v+.
If you don't need 4C/8T then might consider to take the 4570K 4C/4T.
There is no best batch it's all depends on luck.

QUOTE(g88 @ Feb 21 2014, 04:53 PM)
Can S, T SKU be overclock ?
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S and T cannot overclock.

Intel locks overclocking to K-series Haswell chips

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post Feb 24 2014, 08:15 AM

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Prime95v.28.4 Build 1 Beta

ftp://mersenne.org/gimps/p95v284.win32.zip
ftp://mersenne.org/gimps/p95v284.win64.zip
ftp://mersenne.org/gimps/p95v284.linux64.tar.gz
ftp://mersenne.org/gimps/p95v284.MacOSX.zip

Reduced memory usage.
This may make some single-thread benchmarks slower, but when
running several workers on machines where memory is a bottleneck there should be a
small performance increase.
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post Feb 26 2014, 06:28 AM

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CPU-Z 1.68.2 x64

http://www.cpuid.com/medias/files/software...as/cpuz_x64.zip
https://www.mediafire.com/?83jiw8xofm2tej8
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post Feb 26 2014, 05:58 PM

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owi,
link for CPU-Z 168.2 in OP will expiry soon.......
that's the reason,I always upload also to mediafire.

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post Feb 26 2014, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(stasio @ Feb 26 2014, 05:58 PM)
owi,
link for CPU-Z 168.2 in OP will expiry soon.......
that's the reason,I always upload also to mediafire.
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It's okay bro. I think most of us prefer the exe version.
I will update again once it's released offcially.
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post Mar 8 2014, 07:26 AM

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Prime95v.28.5 Build 1 Beta

ftp://mersenne.org/gimps/p95v285.win32.zip
ftp://mersenne.org/gimps/p95v285.win64.zip
ftp://mersenne.org/gimps/p95v285.linux64.tar.gz
ftp://mersenne.org/gimps/p95v285.MacOSX.zip

1) Changed the output to the worker windows during LL and PRP tests. The new output includes
the estimated time to complete the test. There are two new options described in undoc.txt:
ClassicOutput and OutputRoundoff.
2) Added some new options described in undoc.txt: ScaleOutputFrequency, TitleOutputFrequency,
and SilentVictoryPRP.
3) Benchmarking on hyperthreaded machines now times only the most common cases. Specifically,
hyperthreading is used only in the one cpu and all cpu cases.
4) Benchmarking trial factoring is now off by default. Prime95 should not be used for trial
factoring. GPUs are about 100 times more efficient at that task.
5) On multi-core machines, benchmarks are now run on multiple workers. This measures the effect
of memory bandwidth during testing and helps you select the setup that gives you the most throughput.
6) There are many new options described in undoc.txt to customize the benchmarking process
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Hi, OC'er here.

Just built my half new rig yesterday.

1. i7 4770k batch L344C551 Malaysia
2. Giga Z87X-D3H
3. Kingston HyperX Beast 2400Mhz CL11 8GBX2
4. Corsair H110 LC
5. Corsair 500R casing
6. SILVERSTONE Strider Essential series ST60F-ES 600W (9 months old)
7. Asus HD6870 1GB (9 months old, after RMA 2 times)
8. Kingston SSDNow V300 120GB (reused)
9. Creative X-FI Xtreme Music

Choose this mobo mainly becos it has PCI slot for my old sound card, and i dun need those fancy gaming features in those gaming/OC board. Weirdly Gigabyte become very silent when comes to Haswell platform while it been dominated by ASUS. Hopefully this mobo can give some solid OC performance.

Quick test, stock i7 running IBT, around mid 50-55'C, 3.9Ghz at voltage 1.11 (High voltage or not??)
Tried quick OC without change voltage setting, 4.2Ghz boot into Windows, quick run IBT for 5 minutes no crash, LinX after 10 minutes system restart. Will try to do some serious OC after i update my board BIOS. Target at least 4.6Ghz.

Anyway, any place in KL provide 'professional' delid service? Or we have to do our own? May I know who done it here?

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coolkwc is that full load temperature? It is accetable for h110. I believe you can use manual pump /fan speed instead of auto to improve.

delid can find AceCombat, location penang.
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QUOTE(ktek @ Mar 13 2014, 11:30 AM)
coolkwc is that full load temperature? It is accetable for h110. I believe you can use manual pump /fan speed instead of auto to improve.

delid can find AceCombat, location penang.
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Yeah, that one is full load temp, i set IBT @ 12GB RAM test.

i set at max fan and bump speed all the time, becos not really that loud actually.

I plan to delid myself using razor blade, should be not so difficult. hmm.gif Just need to watch out the tiny cap at one side.

Anyway, is it OK if after delid i just run it bare chip without reinstall back the IHS??

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Mar 13 2014, 11:40 AM)
Anyway, is it OK if after delid i just run it bare chip without reinstall back the IHS??
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no, u will see processor core is deep sink under mobo socket lock. heatsink cannot reach without IHS
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happy birthday coolkwc !
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QUOTE(ktek @ Mar 13 2014, 12:37 PM)
no, u will see processor core is deep sink under mobo socket lock. heatsink cannot reach without IHS
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Huh? I search forum alot of modders run without IHS, no? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Mar 13 2014, 01:07 PM)
Huh? I search forum alot of modders run without IHS, no? hmm.gif
Thanks for your wish. rclxms.gif
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yup, their heatsink /water block got 1 piece extrude shape to touch cpu.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1406591/tec-block-on-4770k/40

but h110 cannot
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coolkwc,
be carefull.......... flex.gif

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showth...After-Delidding
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post Mar 13 2014, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Mar 13 2014, 01:07 PM)
Huh? I search forum alot of modders run without IHS, no? hmm.gif

Thanks for your wish. rclxms.gif
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My 3770K is running without the IHS until now.
I am using EK Supreme HF waterblock which requires me to remove the washers in order to make a better contact between the waterblock base and the chip (die).

I'm not going to delid my 4770K until I found a good OC chip. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Mar 13 2014, 10:14 PM)
My 3770K is running without the IHS until now.
I am using EK Supreme HF waterblock which requires me to remove the washers in order to make a better contact between the waterblock base and the chip (die).

I'm not going to delid my 4770K until I found a good OC chip.  laugh.gif
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Sad OC result. Don't know whether due to cooler no sitted properly or what. 4.4Ghz with 1.25Vcore CPU already start throttling.

In stock, temp delta between idle and load is too big, which is around 45'C. Load temp during LinX is from 70-85'C, However when i touch my H110 radiator with hand it actually just slightly warm only. Just feel the heat just trap inside the IHS...if really no improvement after i resit the cooler, might as well consider delid the damn thing.


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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Mar 14 2014, 02:32 AM)
Sad OC result. Don't know whether due to cooler no sitted properly or what. 4.4Ghz with 1.25Vcore CPU already start throttling.

In stock, temp delta between idle and load is too big, which is around 45'C. Load temp during LinX is from 70-85'C, However when i touch my H110 radiator with hand it actually just slightly warm only. Just feel the heat just trap inside the IHS...if really no improvement after i resit the cooler, might as well consider delid the damn thing.
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Yeah can't really play much with undelidded chip. It's time to give it a move by removing the cap biggrin.gif
Sure you won't regret with the improvement.
By the way, 1.25V seems too much for 4.4. A good chip will need only 1.15-1.2V for that OC.
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Mar 14 2014, 06:50 AM)
Yeah can't really play much with undelidded chip. It's time to give it a move by removing the cap biggrin.gif
Sure you won't regret with the improvement.
By the way, 1.25V seems too much for 4.4. A good chip will need only 1.15-1.2V for that OC.
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1.2v i can boot into window but once linx started, the pc bsod...so i just set to 1.25 without test other intermidiate vcore...
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Resit my H110 cooler today, still the same, the temp is very high at load even on stock frequency and voltage.

Stock temp idle 33, load 75-80. Delta over 40'C. Is this normal? The thermal paste used is Cooler Master X1 Extreme Fusion.

Back in core2 era, OC is just a simple task for me. For this Haswell I have absolutely no idea for it, it just like a stranger to me.

day 3 i OC my CPU, i understand something from the sensor.
1. memory voltage 1.65V will absolutely increase the CPU temp, hence those performance RAM is actully can run at tighter timing and faster clock with lower voltage (ex 1.5V), am i right?

Anyway, i really feel disappointing with the temp, although sensor reading is 90'C, but the heat cannot transfer to the cooler, just waste my cooler capability.

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Mar 16 2014, 09:37 PM)
Resit my H110 cooler today, still the same, the temp is very high at load even on stock frequency and voltage.

Stock temp idle 33, load 75-80. Delta over 40'C. Is this normal? The thermal paste used is Cooler Master X1 Extreme Fusion.

Back in core2 era, OC is just a simple task for me. For this Haswell I have absolutely no idea for it, it just like a stranger to me.

day 3 i OC my CPU, i understand something from the sensor.
1. memory voltage 1.65V will absolutely increase the CPU temp, hence those performance RAM is actully can run at tighter timing and faster clock with lower voltage (ex 1.5V), am i right?

Anyway, i really feel disappointing with the temp, although sensor reading is 90'C, but the heat cannot transfer to the cooler, just waste my cooler capability.
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I think you have missed the Ivy Bridge overheat issue. Same thing for Haswell.
The overheat issue is caused by the excessive gap between the die and IHS that makes heat dissipation poorer than expected. Blame Intel for that. tongue.gif
All you have to do is to void warranty and delid the IHS out of craps then only you will see an 30C drop on temperature.
Same as CPU, overvolt the RAM will benefit overclocking & tighter timing.

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