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umpang thread.
Do you guys know any other unis besides the one in KL/Selangor that offers CLP?

Really sick of studying in KL, but can't afford to do the bar overseas.

Advise needed.

What kind of jobs can be a good starting point to venture into the legal profession if I do not have a law degree yet? From most of the job descriptions in the legal industry, those that do not require a qualifying law degree are clerks, and I suppose being a general clerk enables one to be acquainted with the procedures and technicalities of paper works, correct me if I am wrong. I have a humble degree in English and am now pursuing the UOL external program on part time basis, hoping to become a lawyer one day. I would like to explore the profession by trying to land a job that is related to the legal industry. Can someone kindly enlighten the sorts of position or path that I could consider?

A million thanks.

Can try to apply as paralegal for smaller firms.

Perhaps they will allow you to do more.

Mind asking if becoming a law student/graduate/someone in the legal profession nowadays considered unappealing?I found out that there are more negative comments than the positive ones.Can someone please clarify it?Thanks.

This post has been edited by Chemistry123ABC: Jul 1 2016, 03:38 PM

this is also one of my question, are there too many lawyers in malaysia?

I think Advance Tertiary College (ATC) in Penang offers the CLP.
http://www.atc2u.com/main/index.html
I've just attached the link in this reply.

I will answer both questions at once.
Lawyer to Malaysian ratio now is 1:1600 as of 2016 approximately. If you compare this to other profession, nope, lawyers are not in excess but it has increased substantially if you compare to 10 years ago per se. For reference doctor to population ratio is 1:500, that is called excessive but ultimately every field face the same problem, but what makes you unique is the quality of service you provide. I.E: Are you good at what you doing?

Legal profession is unappealing when you start off, but it can be rewarding like i say depend on how you perform, how you carry yourselves in the public. By the way if you are taking a law degree only without having the intention to become a practitioner, I suggest not to do so because you will be wasting money and time. To answer your question more specifically I think that litigation lawyers in Malaysia is always needed. However, corporate, conveyancing, IP lawyers etc would gradually be weeded out. So the very notion of "appealness" would differs on what field you are practicing

This post has been edited by wow1wow2: Jul 8 2016, 02:34 PM

Thanks man, appreciate your reply

Thanks.But where did you get those info(ratios thing) from?Why conveyancing, corporate, IP and so would be soon weeded out?Are you saying that if someone wants to practise,litigation is the only possible field? If so,wouldn't it be too limited and will there be one day that litigation becomes too saturated?

you can get them from bar council and mmc website. The reason I said that is because non contentious matter is more accessible to public now, and in the future a lawyer might not be needed to transfer a house. This is a very possible scenario, in UK, transfer of title can be done online. Litigation will be based on your reputation

Guys, I needs help.
I'm going to start my Year 2 UOL.
And I have no idea how to choose the optional subjects between EU Law, Commercial Law and Family Law.
I know if you want to take Bar in UK then you have to take EU Law.
But if I choose to take EU Law, then should I choose Commercial Law or Family Law?
Is Commercial Law very important for you to get in big company?
If I am not going to take EU Law, that means I have to take CLP.
Is CLP really that difficult to do? I am kinda worried about this.

This post has been edited by The Inferiority Complex: Aug 13 2016, 09:52 PM

I'm not entirely sure whether you'd really need eu law to qualify for the btpc programme (no offence i took it a few years ago, things may have changed since then) so you probably have to do some homework and be sure on that..

What do you mean exactly by 'big company'? A legal firm or just any big nonlegal company? Tbh your question is a bit subjective (though the general mindset may say commercial law>family law).. Different law firms may apply different considerations on the modules taken during your degree.. Even one who's never taken family law during his/her degree years can still excel later on in family law practice (working).. No wrong or right answer here..

And i really don't get the 'mindset' of thinking that clp is harder than other bars.. If you look at the stats (instead of hearsay), you'll notice the passing rate is more or less the same (remember the entry level for both exams are quite different..) not to say the bar is more 'high class' though.. Cause if you're gonna practice in msia, they are a stepping stone to legal practice.. That's all..

This post has been edited by timo1003: Aug 17 2016, 01:29 AM

UOL has come out with a new regulation insisting that Year 2 students have to take EU Law to obtain a Qualifying Law Degree.

I mean those large finance or commercial companies which have their own legal team or legal advisers.
So, if next time I decide not to stay at law firms, then I may go for this.
Haha, according to my seniors, they said students in commercial law class are far larger than the students in family law class.
Maybe family law in Malaysia is not so popular, I guess ... LOL.

Because I always heard people saying CLP is more difficult than BPTC.
My college coordinator said last time she took clp and she failed 2 subjects out of 5 subjects, and if she wanted to resit, then she had to resit for all 5 subjects, not only that particular 2 failed subjects.
Maybe she meant that it's difficult in the sense that the process of doing it is too bulky or what.
And then she decided to go to UK to do BPTC, and she passed.

Guys any idea where i can get a cost break down for studying the BPTC? Incl fees, cost of living , rent

http://www.chambersstudent.com/law-schools...viders-compared

Providers compared, living cost differs by region - so do your own homework!

no matter which subject you took in your UOL, it simply doesn't matter except eu law. eu law not only allow you to do bptc but also exposed you to other codified legal system in most eu countries plus it helps you understand how those international treaty works. And it didn't deny your access to clp either.And their lengthy case law tend to helps on memorizing, especially when clp you need to remember full name of case instead of quoting "there was a settled decision" kind of bs. so it is always beneficial to do EU. the downside is if you intend to practice in malaysia, EU law is pretty useless.

commercial law in uol？ doesn't matter but simple expose maybe. agency,sogasa,international trading in malaysia is under different statute.

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no matter which subject you took in your UOL, it simply doesn't matter except eu law. eu law not only allow you to do bptc but also exposed
[quote=wong6516,Sep 20 2016, 07:59 PM]
no matter which subject you took in your UOL, it simply doesn't matter except eu law. eu law not only allow you to do bptc but also exposed you to other codified legal system in most eu countries plus it helps you understand how those international treaty works. And it didn't deny your access to clp either.And their lengthy case law tend to helps on memorizing, especially when clp you need to remember full name of case instead of quoting "there was a settled decision" kind of bs. so it is always beneficial to do EU. the downside is if you intend to practice in malaysia, EU law is pretty useless.

commercial law in uol？ doesn't matter but simple expose maybe. agency,sogasa,international trading in malaysia is under different statute.

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This description of EU law makes me cringe on so many levels - lls dont give advice if u havent studied EU law or have been lazy to study it.

Studying EU law does not expose u to codified civil law systems - EU law is separate from national laws and in the UK context u wont be learning much about french of german civil law.

It doeant teach you how international treaties work - eu law has developed so far to resemble its original enabling treaties, and it is not directly comparable to other international treaties.

Any student who has studied eu law would know ecj decisions are alot shorter than english cases.

While I agree with the poster that studying eu law is beneficial, his supporting statements are so heavily flawed and outright incorrect at times. I feel a need to correct this lest younger students get misguided.

More than 1200 individuals being called to be lawyers every year.

I submitted my papers on 1st of December 2014 and I was no. 1425th person to do so in that year. Imagine 29 more days for others to submit their papers to until 2015. You can simply rough up to 1600 persons submit their papers to be lawyers a year. So to answer your question without referring to statistic. Yes there are alot of fresh lawyers every year and the competition is stiff. But it is no where near the amount of doctors. Therefore a piece of advice from me. If you want to be a lawyer, make dam sure that you are really passionate to be one and ready to make sacrifices for this profession because being a lawyer means you are constantly under high pressure and stress from all sides and work to midnight everyday. If you are doing it for money, there are many other ways to get rich.

I don't know whether EU law is still a compulsory subject to BPTC after Brexit. Do check with your Uni on this. Substantive law such as Commerc and Family law is always fun to read, interesting to study and therefore higher chance for you to excel and score with flying colours.

If you aim to work for or with big corporations. then do consider Employment/Industrial law (depends on availability), commercial law, company law and conflict of laws (for cross borders transaction). Maybe there are others not within my knowledge, but you can figure what big corps are looking at.

Is CLP difficult? You can't afford to pick and drop any topics like LLB and this makes it bulky. But it is doable. All my friends and myself make it in one attempt. It depends on your time management and how willing are you to drop everything else in your life just to strive for a pass in that exam. If you can plan a time table to cover all topics for all subjects and work hard to comply with it, then you can definitely pass that exam. It is no rocket science. And always remember that CLP is an individual exam, group study may be detrimental if your group loves talking.

Having said all these, go do BPTC if you can afford. It is totally different experience compare to the memory test CLP.

This post has been edited by red123: Oct 19 2016, 09:03 AM

Started a CLP website for all the CLP Students.

http://clponlinemy.wixsite.com/mysite

I will try to update the information and notes on daily basis as I do it on my free time only

Hope the site will be able to help all the CLP students.

Btw, all the notes and analysis are Free

This post has been edited by me_1980s: Oct 31 2016, 11:02 AM