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wong6516
post May 10 2013, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(Seb_back2back @ Apr 28 2013, 12:47 AM)
I happen to know an MMU LLB graduate that is currently practising law.
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is it fresh graduate? how is the performance? par-up with other graduates? thought MMU exemption of CLP is actually a qualified one..will be examined every 2 years..

QUOTE(HfzIsml @ Apr 28 2013, 01:29 AM)
Hello everyone smile.gif I'm currently in my first year of LLB at BAC. On top of that, I am also taking an extra course that offers the following:

-Certificate in Oil and Gas Law and Practice
-Certificate in Shipping Law and Practice
-Diploma in International Arbitration

What effect, good or bad, does this have on my future job prospects here in Malaysia? I've heard that Shipping Law is a very niche area in this country. Not sure how International Arbitration would help me though.
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shipping is rather niche,but O&G and arbitration is very prospective.especially the diploma in int arb,even the demand in malaysia not high,but numbers of certified arbitrators(MIARB) are around 35 persons only...

jst my 2 cents~

QUOTE(aIn_fArAh @ May 8 2013, 04:34 AM)
May i know is it true that A-LEVEL is hard? and can anyone rate the difficulty of A -LEVEL? all my brother is prevent me from take A-Level because they say even their friend is having a hard time to score it. I need an advice. Everyone (my father and my brothers ) told me that i`m not qualified to take A-Levels because it hard. I just wondering with SPM 6A4B is it still not enough?.. They all put me in pressure like saying all negative thing about how i am not excellent student. It really turned down my passion to study but can anyone tell me exactly WHAT CAN I DO ? i have financial problem and it seem like A-Level is cheap but they think i cant do it. Anyone please help me!!!!
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hard?
i used 9 months to finish the course,60 percents of my time working as part timer,only start study 3 months prior to exam...managed to get CCB.The thing is A-LEVEL is not like our usual exam in secondary school,it required a lot of critical analysis and thinking,and also it required a relatively high standard of english standard compared with secondary spm or pmr..

but it depends on what subject you took,rumours said that MATHS are easier,if u know chinese,you could take the chinese paper or chinese literature..(their standard is like primary school for me..=.=)..coz it doesn't matter what subject you took,as long as the result is up to the required for enrolling in degree..i took chinese,law and business studies~

since you are in this thread,implying you wanted to take LLB in future,LAW and english literature will be my recommended must take subject,coz A LEVEL law covered half of your first year subjects, and one of your second year subjects,even though it is just basic,but it could help a lot in understanding...ENG lit,why? coz it train you to read piles or piles of books,poem and increase your language level (implying you are a typical ordinary spm school leaver),having a good command in english really could ease your language barrier and burden a lot..i know coz i suffered and went through it by hardway... sweat.gif

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post May 10 2013, 10:06 PM

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I wanted to ask what can we do,if in a situation of passed LLB but still not yet finish CLP?
coz I am facing some financial constraint after finish LLB,and in need to gather some money to cover up my cost and expenses to study CLP,is it possible to full time working for one year and study back again CLP later? or better,working while studying?

From what advised from some of my senior,the only way to earn money with a single LLB cert is to became a lecturer,but subject to the result,only 2:1 and above is likely to be employed..other than that,the LLB without CLP is just a piece of plain paper with your name on it.. unsure.gif even worst if got 2:2 and below,it will be like a piece of toilet paper mad.gif ...no offence,but that is what my seniors told me..
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post May 10 2013, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(vanessv @ May 10 2013, 10:32 PM)
I was wondering about this too.. and whether its possible to work in private sector, dealing with legal procedures in law firms etc if we only have LLB and no CLP. Would appreciate if anyone can give their input  notworthy.gif
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i could clear your doubt on this,some of my friends manage to get position as legal clerk,but i would say it highly depending on your social network...coz almost,99 percents of my friends got those position by ways of father's company,father's friend's company,and etc...in normal situation wise,i think it is possible but...unlikely... sweat.gif

coz malaysia law and uk/nz/aus law has huge differences in procedural...

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post May 11 2013, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(vanessv @ May 10 2013, 11:42 PM)
Legal clerk means they do not step into court but only do legal paperwork etc is it? Is their pay very low? And it is not the type of job they are planning to stick to for the rest of their career right?

And about the differences in legal procedures, do you mean that employers prefer those with knowledge of Malaysian law?Thanks
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yup,paralegal..pay i would quote chiahua reply,depends on how thick your cables are....if you could serve like karpal singh,probably you prospect is better than an ordinary lawyer.. rclxms.gif

for paralegal i think so,but not for lawyers..in my opinion,the strength of overseas law graduates is language,english especially and also quality or performance or way of analysis...the weakness will be sucks in BM and lack of knowledge in malaysia law procedure or vise versa if public graduates.Again this rather subjective,a person could possibly master both languages,and have wide ranges of legal knowledge...

Be in mind that,in malaysia lower court probably use malay as the main official language,so you could see a lot of chambee actually work as a translator in law firms when chambering..

QUOTE(chiahau @ May 11 2013, 12:19 AM)
Why not?

My frens has a Law degree, took a 2 year hiatus and work for HSBC before leaving to London to pursue BPTC.

Thou I am not really sure how much of his works are related to laws, but generally, you could, work.
Being a paralegal, yes.

Going to court, nope.
Legal Clerk gets paid around 1,5k ~ 2,5k depending on how thick your cables are....

Best to say, if you only have LLB and no CLP, try to obtain a sponsor for you to finish CLP
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no other options other than sponsors?....it is kinda hard thou,there are lots of graduate every year..working in HSBC for banking? are ur friend having other qualification rather than only LLB?

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post May 11 2013, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(BravoZeroTwo @ May 11 2013, 07:35 AM)
Was told that A level Law is a soft subject, therefore do not take it if one wants to take L.LB ?
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soft in the sense of less burdensome and relatively easier subject? dont think so,coz the pass rate is like 60-65 percents only..indeed,if you compare to LLB,there is for sure a huge gap of difference in the depth and wide of the syllabus..but certain topics in alvl actually covered up more than LLB,examples,like civil justice sytem of common law in LLB only cover small part of ADR,but in alvl there is a standalone chapter of it..

so i would say,alvl LAW could gave you a broad concept of what will be facing in LLB,its syllabus covered basic tort,contract,public and common...the only disadvantage is there will be a little bit boring when starting first year,coz everything is like dejavu,keep repeating...

however,for me it is more of a bane than a boon..

QUOTE(silwen @ May 11 2013, 10:39 AM)
Pardon, I don't mean work, I meant studies = work. If you have time to work proper, you're looking at some really tough time. However, I do know people who work and they did ok, no time for hobbies though.

I decided to do my A levels in KL and went on to do my undergraduate degree in the UK.

As for the BPTC, I had 3 offers from the three schools I applied to, 2 of them were in London and one regional. Based on hearsay, this is relatively uncommon; most only get 1 offer. I did my applications in 2 very stressful days (don't leave it to the last minute).

Also, nobody recommends, and it is often discouraged actually, that one do A level Law. Frankly though, I would just go for what I feel most comfortable with in A levels (I did 3 sciences because I knew I was good at that).
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discouraged? why said so?

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post Sep 20 2016, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(The Inferiority Complex @ Aug 17 2016, 06:34 PM)
UOL has come out with a new regulation insisting that Year 2 students have to take EU Law to obtain a Qualifying Law Degree.

I mean those large finance or commercial companies which have their own legal team or legal advisers.
So, if next time I decide not to stay at law firms, then I may go for this.
Haha, according to my seniors, they said students in commercial law class are far larger than the students in family law class.
Maybe family law in Malaysia is not so popular, I guess ... LOL.

Because I always heard people saying CLP is more difficult than BPTC.
My college coordinator said last time she took clp and she failed 2 subjects out of 5 subjects, and if she wanted to resit, then she had to resit for all 5 subjects, not only that particular 2 failed subjects.
Maybe she meant that it's difficult in the sense that the process of doing it is too bulky or what.
And then she decided to go to UK to do BPTC, and she passed.
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no matter which subject you took in your UOL, it simply doesn't matter except eu law. eu law not only allow you to do bptc but also exposed you to other codified legal system in most eu countries plus it helps you understand how those international treaty works. And it didn't deny your access to clp either.And their lengthy case law tend to helps on memorizing, especially when clp you need to remember full name of case instead of quoting "there was a settled decision" kind of bs. so it is always beneficial to do EU. the downside is if you intend to practice in malaysia, EU law is pretty useless.

commercial law in uol? doesn't matter but simple expose maybe. agency,sogasa,international trading in malaysia is under different statute.

 

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