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naufalabud
post May 1 2016, 01:25 AM

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HYE GUYS, im 18years old and interested to be a lawyer..Still waiting for upu. Just want to ask you guys, what do you guys think about law prospect in future? Is it dark or bright? LOL
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post May 1 2016, 01:25 AM

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HYE GUYS, im 18years old and interested to be a lawyer..Still waiting for upu. Just want to ask you guys, what do you guys think about law prospect in future? Is it dark or bright? LOL
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post May 2 2016, 04:28 AM

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QUOTE(believe92 @ May 1 2016, 06:38 PM)
I assume prospects = $$$ and job security/prestige.

Well if you are talking about short-term prospects, law is terrible. Two factors are relevant to short-term prospects - regulatory hurdle and salary.

1.regulatory hurdle => besides getting an undergraudate LLB that is recognised, unlike other graduates, you will have to pay to take the expensive BPTC or the cheaper CLP. BPTC has a higher pass rate while the CLP's passing rate is legendary (low). If you go to local unis' recognised LLB programmes, you can circumvent the BPTC/CLP hurdle. Next up is the vocational hurdle, where, despite finishing a year later than others, you are required to undertake 9 months of chambering before u qualify. If you are a good student and manage to snag a good firm, pay will be reasonably (not good, reasonable). If you are in smaller firms, the pay is laughable. You assume some financial risks without even having qualified as a lawyer yet
2. salary=> You thought qualifying as a lawyer means life gets easier? Wrong. The peanuts pay continues. First year associates in smaller firms are comparable/lower to standard graduate pay (2000-3000 in KL), and only reasonable in large and more established firms (4000-5000). Not gonna buy a house anytime soon, which is especially painful if you are from outside KL.
Long-term prospects are awesome, if you are awesome too. Making partner in large firms allows you to earn from 200k-millions depending on seniority. Not to mention the potential business/political opportunities you get from rubbing shoulders with the nation's wealthy elite. If you start your own firm, sky is the limit. Even if you aren't the ambitious type, opening a small coffeeshop firm allows you to lead to a relatively comfy life.
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Thanks for the information really useful.. Im not bcoming lawyer bcoz of salary. My father wants me to be a engineer with high income and job secure but its not a job that make me sastified.. I want to do something with our social community.. And besides, I want to join politics also thats why I think law degree might be useful ..The only bother me is about the job security, I dont want to be unemployed and lying at my bed without doing nothing:ranting: . If I can ask you more question, what quality does a law graduate needed to be employed?

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post May 4 2016, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(chiahau @ May 3 2016, 08:04 AM)
If you want to do good to society, you don't have to be a lawyer for sure.

There are people who contributed more to society without a law degree. ( Steve Jobs, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, the list goes on and on )

Joining politics is all about networking. You can do that over a night club if you are skilled enough.

Basically, landing a job for law graduates or in fact, any graduates are almost similar.
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Different people have different perspectives icon_idea.gif . Im not into innovation . I want to fight for justice such as fight for people`s right and develop our country something like that that most people might think its silly
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post May 4 2016, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(chiahau @ May 4 2016, 01:41 PM)
I stand by my point.

You don't have to read law to be able to fight for justice and etc.

If you have time, please read up an article by Alia Abdullah dated 29 April 2016.

That's the real picture you are going to face, rather than some garbled version of law in Suits or etc.

It's not my place to say that it's a silly idea or not.

I only share what I personal experience.

Cheers  icon_idea.gif
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thanks for sharing laugh.gif
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post May 4 2016, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(believe92 @ May 4 2016, 05:10 PM)
Let's just say that every single one of my law school mates who started out with aspirations such as yours ended up either (1) working in big/mid-sized firms (2)working back in their hometown (3) Trying their best to leave the country, which is hard as a lawyer. (4) Left law for other fields. For those of my mates who ar practising, I am sure they will do some pro bono/human rights on the side - but that is it - as a side project rather than full time.

Just an experience of my own that I want to share thumbup.gif

But it is good to have a dream, making it a reality takes careful planning nad hard work - asking this question here before you start your law degree is a good start.

That said, I agree with chiahau that justice isn't ONLY served by lawyers/politicians (in fact a huge number of them obstruct justice), anyone can pitch in to help out. Also, the values of justice aren't absolute, and they are always subject to debate.
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I dont know how to describe it bcoz my English is not very good confused.gif . Well, how about you are in my position, you want to be a politician but some people say you need a qualification, the problem is most of the politicians even in other countries dont have science politics which I think the most related to politics..And also Im not into our current government and if u join pakatan rakyat now u might not survive solely without doing another job as a side income..This is from some politicians that I have been told.Might be wrong notworthy.gif My plan is if I have law qualification, I can have a law firm like late Karpal Singh? icon_rolleyes.gif Anyway thanks for you opinion really appreciate it.

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post May 4 2016, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(chiahau @ May 4 2016, 06:14 PM)
Most of my peers who did law suffered the same fate as yours.

70% don't even practice law afterwards, choosing to work in unrelated field.
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Well I want to be politician afterall haha
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post May 4 2016, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(chiahau @ May 4 2016, 06:41 PM)
As I mentioned above, a Law degree does not bring you closer to your goal of being a politician.

Your English is fine, I believe we understand what you were trying to convey.

Political science has nothing to do with politics as well. It's just a program to make you understand what politics are about, basically. And even that does not teach much.

Karpal Singh is an exceptional lawyer even before he was a politician. He specialized in cases where people don't want to take and he was not rich back then. Being a criminal lawyer don't make much in M'sia, sadly.

So, you can attribute Karpal's success not to his law degree nor his law firm. He has a sharp mind and a very skilled litigator, compared to what you can see nowadays.

Even if you have a law firm, it might not do well at current economy.

But hey, on the bright side, at least you have a goal rather than some kids who are busy playing DOTA at your age  biggrin.gif
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I do play games but not much...My father said I have critical thinks and such like that and..I hope my father might be right haha...I`ve been told law course is the best course to develop skills that u have stated that haved in Karpal Singh.. I knew someone from school politics that I had been enrolled for a few days.. He has political science qualification and he said if u want to be good at debate either u choose law or political science.. drool.gif Well Im relieved that my English is not that bad..Though my BI got A solid in SPM but I dont think my English is getting better..Well I am malay afterall sweat.gif
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post May 4 2016, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(chiahau @ May 4 2016, 07:06 PM)
Good for you then.

Yes, law and politician science can develop critical thinking but so can others such an engineering and etc.

Scrub the idea of race can hold someone back.

It's not the race that matters, it's the brain that does.
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Yea thanks for that I also want to scrub that idea too vmad.gif You got the point the brain is all the matter. icon_idea.gif Anyway I really appreciate you guys for sharing the ideas, facts and opinions. cry.gif
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post May 18 2016, 08:19 AM

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guys i got offer foundation in law at uitm dengkil.. dont whether its a good offer or not
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post May 18 2016, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(chiahau @ May 18 2016, 08:33 AM)
Public uni = Take it without a second thought.

You can skip CLP if I am not mistaken.

Much easier pathway.
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okay thx icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Aug 4 2017, 02:10 AM

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hi im just received offer to pursue my degree in law at uum.. is it a good deal?
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post Aug 19 2017, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(llbhons1 @ Aug 19 2017, 10:19 PM)
If you intend on working in Malaysia, sure.  It's a good deal because it's cheap.  But make sure you do well in your law degree so that you can compete with those who graduated from good overseas unis and good local unis like UM and UKM.
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ukm is good? I dont even put it on my upu list bcs some lecturers said that ukm students a bit...for um I dont like live in kl though im living in kl also. im intent to go for uia but they take their own foundation students only. but I heard that uum already got full recognition from board. so well is okay I guess😅

 

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