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chiahau
post Dec 2 2014, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(S_SienZ @ Dec 2 2014, 12:14 AM)
Hence, my previous advice of taking CLP if money was a concern (it isn't for quite a lot of people who did their full 3 years in UK).

Some people take it for odd reasons though. I know people who took it because they were worried about CLP's pass rate. I also know people who simply wanted to spend a year longer in UK. I suppose networking COULD be a reason to do it if money wasn't an issue.

I'm well aware about the local pay, lol. Friend of mine just got an incredibly crappy offer. (RM900, expected to work til 10pm daily)
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I concur with your advice earlier, if you notice actually.

Networking is a very good reason, if it's worth it. End of the day, the person must calculate the opportunity cost on staying and leaving eventually.

MYR 900? You serious?

Even a legal clerk gets MYR 2,000+ at least laugh.gif

I would assume a chambering student to get at least MYR 2,000 to match the clerk's pay doh.gif
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post Dec 2 2014, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(chiahau @ Dec 2 2014, 12:24 AM)
I concur with your advice earlier, if you notice actually.

Networking is a very good reason, if it's worth it. End of the day, the person must calculate the opportunity cost on staying and leaving eventually.

MYR 900? You serious?

Even a legal clerk gets MYR 2,000+ at least  laugh.gif

I would assume a chambering student to get at least MYR 2,000 to match the clerk's pay  doh.gif
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You'd be surprised. Especially in no-name firms in small towns in less developed states. From what I gather, it's incredibly tough there. Basically, it only makes financial sense to not work in KL if you're joining a firm where you have connections for a super quick partnership track.


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post Dec 2 2014, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(S_SienZ @ Dec 2 2014, 12:43 AM)
You'd be surprised. Especially in no-name firms in small towns in less developed states. From what I gather, it's incredibly tough there. Basically, it only makes financial sense to not work in KL if you're joining a firm where you have connections for a super quick partnership track.
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Most large firms are based in Kl anyways.

Pretty hard to find a spot for pupilage in smaller towns actually.

But yeah, if you have some "network" to make a fast track partnership, no reason to actually work in KL when everything is getting more and more expensive. sweat.gif
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post Dec 15 2014, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(chiahau @ Dec 2 2014, 08:28 AM)
Most large firms are based in Kl anyways.

Pretty hard to find a spot for pupilage in smaller towns actually.

But yeah, if you have some "network" to make a fast track partnership, no reason to actually work in KL when everything is getting more and more expensive.  sweat.gif
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I second this. It's true. Even with basic pay for a 'chambie' in KL (top tier firms) is about RM1800++, but the living costs involved is also equally high.

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post Dec 15 2014, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(sreeking @ Dec 15 2014, 02:04 PM)
I second this. It's true. Even with basic pay for a 'chambie' in KL (top tier firms) is about RM1800++, but the living costs involved is also equally high.
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A conveyancing clerk is getting paid more than 1,8k whistling.gif
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post Dec 15 2014, 09:29 PM

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Actually chambie pay in KL if you go to the bigger firms is in the range of RM 2,500 - 3,000 now. Which is good for the industry smile.gif But of course there are still some which are paying below RM 2000. Theres a site called office parrots you can check for salary rates in law firms. Doesn't have all chambie rates but has for most of the big firms.
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post Jan 18 2015, 01:40 AM

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Hey guys, I'm asking on behalf of a friend. She's been wanting to do Law ever since completing high school. But due to financial problem (her scholarship was to do something in Humanities) and some other difficulties with family, she had had to just complete her degree ASAP and worked for a while (in Finance) to help with the family. Fast forward, now she's going on 26 this year and since her family is doing slightly better, she's thinking about doing a second degree i.e. LLB.
Is any of you guys familiar with the route for graduate entry in Malaysia that would enable her to practice in the future? Is there something similar to GDL in the UK in Malaysia? How long would the duration be?
Thanks!

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post Jan 18 2015, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(CaptAwsm @ Jan 18 2015, 01:40 AM)
Hey guys, I'm asking on behalf of a friend. She's been wanting to do Law ever since completing high school. But due to financial problem (her scholarship was to do something in Humanities) and some other difficulties with family, she had had to just complete her degree ASAP and worked for a while (in Finance) to help with the family. Fast forward, now she's going on 26 this year and since her family is doing slightly better, she's thinking about doing a second degree i.e. LLB.
Is any of you guys familiar with the route for graduate entry in Malaysia that would enable her to practice in the future? Is there something similar to GDL in the UK in Malaysia? How long would the duration be?
Thanks!
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Where would she like to practice law? In Malaysia or in UK?

As far as I know, for a qualifying law degree, you have to complete 12 law modules regardless of whether you're an undergrad or a graduate. Which should take you about 3 years to complete the entire course. (this would be UoL international program)

With regards to MoJ, I am not so sure about the course structure.
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post Jan 18 2015, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(qazhang @ Jan 18 2015, 11:13 AM)
Where would she like to practice law? In Malaysia or in UK?

As far as I know, for a qualifying law degree, you have to complete 12 law modules regardless of whether you're an undergrad or a graduate. Which should take you about 3 years to complete the entire course. (this would be UoL international program)

With regards to MoJ, I am not so sure about the course structure.
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I think it's mainly Malaysia... and maybe with the possibility in practicing in Sg and the UK as well...? I don't know lol I'm kinda noob about this whole LLB thing. Just thought of trying to do a survey for her since you guys are sort of experts in it. She said that she contacted ATC(?) and was told that if she entered the UoL programme via graduate entry, she wouldn't be able to practice..?
Is there like an age limit or something..?
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post Jan 18 2015, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(CaptAwsm @ Jan 18 2015, 04:20 PM)
I think it's mainly Malaysia... and maybe with the possibility in practicing in Sg and the UK as well...? I don't know lol I'm kinda noob about this whole LLB thing. Just thought of trying to do a survey for her since you guys are sort of experts in it. She said that she contacted ATC(?) and was told that if she entered the UoL programme via graduate entry, she wouldn't be able to practice..?
Is there like an age limit or something..?
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There is a very low possibility to practice in SG due to recognition issues and UK due to work permit regulations and Bar requirement.

She won't be able to practice if she does not have do CLP or she failed her BM in SPM..
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post Jan 18 2015, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(CaptAwsm @ Jan 18 2015, 04:20 PM)
I think it's mainly Malaysia... and maybe with the possibility in practicing in Sg and the UK as well...? I don't know lol I'm kinda noob about this whole LLB thing. Just thought of trying to do a survey for her since you guys are sort of experts in it. She said that she contacted ATC(?) and was told that if she entered the UoL programme via graduate entry, she wouldn't be able to practice..?
Is there like an age limit or something..?
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Graduate entry they sit for less than 12 subjects. Min requirement to practice is 12 subjects . Nothing to do w age
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post Jan 18 2015, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(chiahau @ Jan 18 2015, 05:07 PM)
There is a very low possibility to practice in SG due to recognition issues and UK due to work permit regulations and Bar requirement.

She won't be able to practice if she does not have do CLP or she failed her BM in SPM..
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Ah, I see... Thanks guys smile.gif

What if one does the UoL programme here, and then go on to do BPTC/LPC in the UK?
What do you guys think about breaking into Law at the age of 26? The reason I'm asking is that she's feeling quite down about it. A brief background, she's an excellent student, mishap during undergrad so she just went with her degree, and she's worked in Finance for a bit. So you guys can understand this is a bit of a make-it-or-break-it decision in life and I'm trying to be of help to her. Though I'm sure she's doing her own research.

Cheers!
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post Jan 18 2015, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(CaptAwsm @ Jan 18 2015, 06:00 PM)
Ah, I see... Thanks guys smile.gif

What if one does the UoL programme here, and then go on to do BPTC/LPC in the UK?
What do you guys think about breaking into Law at the age of 26? The reason I'm asking is that she's feeling quite down about it. A brief background, she's an excellent student, mishap during undergrad so she just went with her degree, and she's worked in Finance for a bit. So you guys can understand this is a bit of a make-it-or-break-it decision in life and I'm trying to be of help to her. Though I'm sure she's doing her own research.

Cheers!
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Forget it. If you finish UoL here, it's hard to go to UK to BPTC due to financial reasons + Visa requirement.

Not to mention the number of seat for BPTC is limited per year.

Sidenote : I come from Finance background and I am doing law as we speak now.

No issue about the fact that you enter the field at 26 but be prepared to be frown by the masses unless you are making money while studying.
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post Jan 19 2015, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(CaptAwsm @ Jan 18 2015, 04:20 PM)
I think it's mainly Malaysia... and maybe with the possibility in practicing in Sg and the UK as well...? I don't know lol I'm kinda noob about this whole LLB thing. Just thought of trying to do a survey for her since you guys are sort of experts in it. She said that she contacted ATC(?) and was told that if she entered the UoL programme via graduate entry, she wouldn't be able to practice..?
Is there like an age limit or something..?
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Nowadays, Singapore's Law Society does not recognise any external law programmes including UoL's llb law degree.
Exception to this general rule is:
#1 you must undergo bar professional training course (BPTC) in order to be admitted to one of the inns of courts. After that you're allowed to be admitted to the Singapore' Bar.

#2 Practice for several years, and then join the Singapore's law society as a qualified practitioner with certain number of years standing.

With regards to the UoL programmes, graduate entry programme comes with 8 modules. In order to practice law, your law degree must consist of 12 law modules. No age limit would bar her admittance to the rolls of the advocate.

If she is looking forward to practice law in Malaysia:

Recommended: UoL's LLB (Hons) [3 years] + CLP [7 months] + Chambering [9 months]

Other alternatives to practice anywhere in the world (commonwealth countries)

UoL's LLB (Hons) [3 years] + BPTC + Pupilage (depending on a particular country's admittance to the bar requisites.)

I have included detailed infos. Click on it for better understanding.

This post has been edited by qazhang: Jan 19 2015, 02:24 PM
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post Jan 19 2015, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(qazhang @ Jan 19 2015, 02:21 PM)
Nowadays, Singapore's Law Society does not recognise any external law programmes including UoL's llb law degree.
Exception to this general rule is:
#1 you must undergo bar professional training course (BPTC) in order to be admitted to one of the inns of courts. After that you're allowed to be admitted to the Singapore' Bar.

#2 Practice for several years, and then join the Singapore's law society as a qualified practitioner with certain number of years standing.

With regards to the UoL programmes, graduate entry programme comes with 8 modules. In order to practice law, your law degree must consist of 12 law modules. No age limit would bar her admittance to the rolls of the advocate.

If she is looking forward to practice law in Malaysia:

Recommended: UoL's LLB (Hons) [3 years] + CLP [7 months] + Chambering [9 months]

Other alternatives to practice anywhere in the world (commonwealth countries)

UoL's LLB (Hons) [3 years] + BPTC + Pupilage (depending on a particular country's admittance to the bar requisites.)

I have included detailed infos. Click on it for better understanding.
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Wow, this is excellent! Thanks qazhang. Will pass this on smile.gif

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post Jan 29 2015, 11:30 AM

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Just finished my spm last year.I'm searching universities which suitable for me to study a-level.i'm thinking go Law path in future.KDU or taylor's,which prefered?thx;)
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Hi I have an LLB (Hons) in Law from Northumbria University and I'm currently taking the CLP in BAC. I'm a Sarawakian.

I am aware that the West Malaysian bar is different from that of the Sarawak bar.

I just want to know if I would still be able to practice in West Malaysia if I did my chambering in Sarawak and is subsequently called to the bar in Sarawak. On a similar note, would I be able to practice in Sarawak if I did my chambering in West Malaysia and is subsequently called to the bar in Malaya?
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post Feb 7 2015, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(kusanagiryu @ Feb 6 2015, 11:47 PM)
Hi I have an LLB (Hons) in Law from Northumbria University and I'm currently taking the CLP in BAC. I'm a Sarawakian.

I am aware that the West Malaysian bar is different from that of the Sarawak bar.

I just want to know if I would still be able to practice in West Malaysia if I did my chambering in Sarawak and is subsequently called to the bar in Sarawak. On a similar note, would I be able to practice in Sarawak if I did my chambering in West Malaysia and is subsequently called to the bar in Malaya?
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With regards to your second question. No. You cannot. You have to file for a fresh petition in order to be admitted to the Sarawak rolls.

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QUOTE(chiahau @ Jan 18 2015, 06:15 PM)
Forget it. If you finish UoL here, it's hard to go to UK to BPTC due to financial reasons + Visa requirement.

Not to mention the number of seat for BPTC is limited per year.

Sidenote : I come from Finance background and I am doing law as we speak now.

No issue about the fact that you enter the field at 26 but be prepared to be frown by the masses unless you are making money while studying.
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i believe you are doing law in part time rite?

may i know is it very tough? i mean the course and exam..
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QUOTE(subrok007 @ Feb 7 2015, 09:15 PM)
i believe you are doing law in part time rite?

may i know is it very tough? i mean the course and exam..
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Depending on your capabilities?

I can't say it's 100% hard or 100% easy.

But prepare to dedicate yourself if you wanna pass the exams.

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