I'm a BOJ student. Anybody know if after I graduate, can I apply for the 1 year LLB program @ UiTM?

interest is one thing but manage to study law or not is another thing. studying law is not as hard as people thought now because we have computers with law library software with search engine, studying law now is just using the computer instead of researching through hundreds of law reports and textbooks. you don't have to be very smart to study law, but you have to be hardworking to cover that and most importantly, the need for details and critical thinking. i dont know anything about the CLP but for BPTC, you have to have fantastic memory for the centralised assessments.

sorry for the late reply, good luck in your SPM

My brother is currently sitting for STPM. He is interested in laws but he is from science stream. Current result is all subject- Bs and Muet band 5. Is this ok for him? Btw,regarding the career in laws from what i read from a few sources, they focus mainly on practising as a lawyer. Are they any other routes other than being a lawyer? What i meant here is profesional careers not clerk etc. CLP is only for those who want to be lawyers ? Thanks.

Science stream = no problem. Most of the best students were from science stream anyway, since a lot of secondary schools auto place all their best students there.

Have not taken MUET before, so I don't know how good a band 5 is.

You qualify for any other corporate job, and if you're the best of the best, you can still go for investment banking or consultancy if you want very good money as a fresh grad.

CLP is only for those who want to practice as lawyers.

Most of the best student from science stream? not really

Band 5 is excellent and now the minimum requirement for graduating in law

hi, can i do in-house counsel without doing pupilage 1st?

Somebody asked me this question, as we all knew MMU is the only private U that do not require to undergo CPL. SO, he asked me, 'If you are a company or whatsoever, will you look for someone who got CPL or you will looked for those who studied those courses that do not require CPL?"

His logic is , CPL is here to set a strict standard to be lawyer. So it may be better than those who straight studies 4 years and do not require CPL to practice laws.

Clp and Bar grads are more sought after than MMU generally
Your friend is right in this regard. However not all courses exempt from clp are looked in a lesser light by employers. Top students from um and ukm are just as employable as foreign grads so long as you play your cards right.

Thank you

CLP = 9 months of hardcore memorizing.

I'll look for a candidate that is much more than his CLP results.

If a candidate from MMU can perform as well as another from CLP, I see no reason to choose the CLP over MMU grad.

O-M-G...Dear sir, I'm dumbfounded by your perfect command of English. Absolutely stunning. I'm at a loss for words.. I'm assuming you graduated from MMU or local unis that exempt graduates from CLP and it would really be a plague if the employers rate CLP graduates higher than the likes of you. They should refrain from doing such a contemptuous act, if you ask me.. Anyway, keep up the good work, man! The future of Malaysian legal system is in your hands! lol

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hey guys just want a piece of advice from all of you.I am now in my final year of study at law in UK and am now facing a dilemma on whether to pursue bar course or go back to Msia to do CLP. I would love to pursue a career in litigation in the future so maybe some of them would say the bar course would be a better choice but financial circumstance is a concern. Put it in this way, my parents have the money to support my bar course study but given the circumstances of today where Msian law has started to differ quite significantly from the UK law, wouldn't it be advisable to do CLP and start to gain some knowledge on Msian law? Although my parents have the money, would it worth to put so much of money in something which is 10 times more expensive than the one we have (CLP) back in Msia? By doing CLP would it be disadvantageous for me if I wish to pursue a career in litigation? Hope some of you can help me in answering my doubts and thanks in advance for any kind reply!Thank you.

To be really honest with you, you'll probably not get a job after you are done with your BPTC in UK.

It's nearly impossible to get a placement ( IIRC - That's around 2~3 years ago ).

You can of course, use the time there as an experience.

If you intend to practice in M'sia, CLP is a must anyways. I don't see it as a disadvantage at all, tbh.

O-M-G, is this part of my thesis? For your information, your English is not any better. If you merely just want to insult people and not providing constructive advises and information, I advise you to leave this thread and section and do not waste other people's time to read your pointless post.

CLP isn't a must if they've done their BPTC.

He's probably asking about the benefits about BPTC because they actually learn advocacy, rather than CLP where it's all theoretical at best.

In my opinion, BPTC not worth it if you're good enough to pass CLP and money is a concern. If you're serious about litigation, finding a good master to learn from will more than make up for the lack of advocacy training from BPTC. Spend that one year while doing CLP looking around the local firms.

You'll need to complete 3 stages to finish BPTC.

It's nearly impossible to get pupilage for SEA students like us because we are technically 3rd rated there ( Brits 1st, EU 2nd and Rest of the world ) and with the high numbers of local students there, you can bet the waiting list is even longer today.

So yeah, assuming that a person won't do their BPTC, CLP is technically a must for a person to practice law in M'sia..

I honestly think unless the person is a top student, reading law in a top Inn in UK and have pretty decent network to stand a chance to be called up to the Bar, BPTC is an expensive way to spend hard-earned money.

In fact, recently saw a few people do did Masters in commercial law or stg but still can't really get a job there.

And oh, work permit's an arse to get in the UK

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There are plenty of lawyers who did the BPTC and came back to do their pupilage here though. So while I'm not personally acquainted with the process (having gone down the CLP route myself), I don't think it's accurate to claim that CLP is a "must", at least the way things are for now.

Honestly, how much Quids will it cost to do BPTC until pupilage stage? 10~20k? Maybe more?

As I mentioned, I'd rather go find a good law firm that could offer good learning curve and do my CLP here rather than burning tonnes of Quids and coming back to M'sia ( to earn back ringgits to cover back the cost spend in Pounds) and get a job.

I'm pretty sure you are well versed with how well lawyers ( Fresh grad esp ) are paid here, no?

Hence, my previous advice of taking CLP if money was a concern (it isn't for quite a lot of people who did their full 3 years in UK).

Some people take it for odd reasons though. I know people who took it because they were worried about CLP's pass rate. I also know people who simply wanted to spend a year longer in UK. I suppose networking COULD be a reason to do it if money wasn't an issue.

I'm well aware about the local pay, lol. Friend of mine just got an incredibly crappy offer. (RM900, expected to work til 10pm daily)