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qazhang
post May 2 2014, 11:13 AM

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Hi, I wanted to buy MLJ and CLJ books, is there second hand books that I can buy from(unless you want to donate to this poor chap rolleyes.gif ) ?

Anyone who you can introduce me to buy from?

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post May 8 2014, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(rexus @ May 8 2014, 10:15 PM)
How much roughly do you get pay for internship?
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Your allowance varies from one firm to another.

Minimum RM350 - RM 500.

Any thing more than that, the firm is really generous.
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post Jun 4 2014, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(minshuen @ Jun 3 2014, 12:23 PM)
Hey everyone can anyone explain to me how does the 'the approved twinning programme' clause work?I can't really quite understand the whole drafting of it. sad.gif
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Lay term:

If you are looking forward to practice in Singapore, then you have to make sure your joint venture degree is recognised by Singapore BAR.
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post Jun 15 2014, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(chiahau @ Jun 14 2014, 04:30 PM)
Be it in UK? Quite hard nowadays

In Malaysia? Pretty decent, if you are capable of basic communication and capable to impress the interviewer, which is actually quite easy
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post Oct 9 2014, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(roninhere @ Oct 2 2014, 09:44 AM)
anyone who study law here?
which uni do you study?
any recoomendation?
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I guess most of them who are in this thread are studying /studied law. brows.gif

what are you looking for?

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post Oct 18 2014, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Oct 16 2014, 09:42 PM)
Actually if i only got LLB and do not have CLP, what can I do?

I understand i cannot practice law, does that mean i cannot prepare contrasts and so on as well?
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You can prepare contract related paper works, become a legal executive for a bank.
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post Oct 19 2014, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Oct 19 2014, 01:12 AM)
I see. The same for BOJ?
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BOJ is equivalent to an external degree.

CLP is the professional postgraduate paper that you must pass in order to practise as a lawyer in Malaysia.

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post Jan 18 2015, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(CaptAwsm @ Jan 18 2015, 01:40 AM)
Hey guys, I'm asking on behalf of a friend. She's been wanting to do Law ever since completing high school. But due to financial problem (her scholarship was to do something in Humanities) and some other difficulties with family, she had had to just complete her degree ASAP and worked for a while (in Finance) to help with the family. Fast forward, now she's going on 26 this year and since her family is doing slightly better, she's thinking about doing a second degree i.e. LLB.
Is any of you guys familiar with the route for graduate entry in Malaysia that would enable her to practice in the future? Is there something similar to GDL in the UK in Malaysia? How long would the duration be?
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Where would she like to practice law? In Malaysia or in UK?

As far as I know, for a qualifying law degree, you have to complete 12 law modules regardless of whether you're an undergrad or a graduate. Which should take you about 3 years to complete the entire course. (this would be UoL international program)

With regards to MoJ, I am not so sure about the course structure.
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post Jan 19 2015, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(CaptAwsm @ Jan 18 2015, 04:20 PM)
I think it's mainly Malaysia... and maybe with the possibility in practicing in Sg and the UK as well...? I don't know lol I'm kinda noob about this whole LLB thing. Just thought of trying to do a survey for her since you guys are sort of experts in it. She said that she contacted ATC(?) and was told that if she entered the UoL programme via graduate entry, she wouldn't be able to practice..?
Is there like an age limit or something..?
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Nowadays, Singapore's Law Society does not recognise any external law programmes including UoL's llb law degree.
Exception to this general rule is:
#1 you must undergo bar professional training course (BPTC) in order to be admitted to one of the inns of courts. After that you're allowed to be admitted to the Singapore' Bar.

#2 Practice for several years, and then join the Singapore's law society as a qualified practitioner with certain number of years standing.

With regards to the UoL programmes, graduate entry programme comes with 8 modules. In order to practice law, your law degree must consist of 12 law modules. No age limit would bar her admittance to the rolls of the advocate.

If she is looking forward to practice law in Malaysia:

Recommended: UoL's LLB (Hons) [3 years] + CLP [7 months] + Chambering [9 months]

Other alternatives to practice anywhere in the world (commonwealth countries)

UoL's LLB (Hons) [3 years] + BPTC + Pupilage (depending on a particular country's admittance to the bar requisites.)

I have included detailed infos. Click on it for better understanding.

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post Feb 7 2015, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(kusanagiryu @ Feb 6 2015, 11:47 PM)
Hi I have an LLB (Hons) in Law from Northumbria University and I'm currently taking the CLP in BAC. I'm a Sarawakian.

I am aware that the West Malaysian bar is different from that of the Sarawak bar.

I just want to know if I would still be able to practice in West Malaysia if I did my chambering in Sarawak and is subsequently called to the bar in Sarawak. On a similar note, would I be able to practice in Sarawak if I did my chambering in West Malaysia and is subsequently called to the bar in Malaya?
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With regards to your second question. No. You cannot. You have to file for a fresh petition in order to be admitted to the Sarawak rolls.

On a separate note.

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post Feb 8 2015, 12:50 PM

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Bach of Juris is an external programme offered by UM. (2 years fast track) 50% cheaper than UoL law degree.

LLB (Hons) is from University of Lond. 3 years.

In order to practice with Bachelor of Juris you gotta sit for CLP.
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post Feb 9 2015, 12:50 AM

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QUOTE(subrok007 @ Feb 8 2015, 09:52 PM)
so both (UoL and BoJ) actually are same only different in fee structure.. btw how bout course syllabus? i been searching in net about syllabus but none of the result appear.  icon_question.gif

and BoJ offered in Part Time as well? I heard what our forumer said BoJ fee exclusive tutor class only include lectures class only.. am i rite?
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UoL llb is based on English legal system. BoJ is Malaysian Legal system.

I am not well aware of BoJ course structure. However, if you are considering law degree with UoL, you must take up 12 subjects. This is only pertinent if you're planning to do clp. If you are thinking about doing bptc, then it differs slightly.
Its entirely exam based. You study for one whole semester and then sit for exams in May/June (once a year).

No coursework. No presentation. No attendance will be taken into account if you do not attend you tuition classes.

BoJ is an external programme offered by UM which is almost similar to their law degree. Just that you will be paying for their tuition fees to attend classes. Other than that, I am not sure about their coursework, presentation and etc.

Hope this helps.

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post Mar 5 2015, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(zone3310 @ Mar 3 2015, 03:45 PM)
Hey Guys, i'm currently a law student at final year in UK and planning for BPTC but i'm not sure which inns of court should i join. Any guidance or free advice? All i know is that mostly Malaysians will end up in Lincoln Inn but i need to know more aside from Malaysian's preference. Any other benefits of joining any particular inns? OR would it be sensible to join Lincoln Inn for future social network? Currently, i'm not bias against any inns but i'm considering Middle Temple as well since some of my friends joined there as well. (Note:I do not know any information about Gray's inn and Inner Temple.) icon_question.gif
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Its difficult to get into Inner temple... its only for elite yo
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post Mar 13 2015, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(chiahau @ Mar 13 2015, 09:19 AM)
Most chambies now are around 23~30.

It's pretty hard to find an established law firm that would accept someone of your age if we are to be frank.

But there are always exemptions to such rules.
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It's really hard to get into good firms unless you're bringing in large clients or good business with you into the firm.

**Taking age into consideration.

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post Mar 27 2015, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(jacekgarett @ Mar 23 2015, 12:42 PM)
I am not sure about if I am interested in pursuing law as I didn't have any experience about that except from movies.. So, is there any ways to find out that if i am interest in law or not? For example, read some law books or?
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Hollywood is all rubbish. Apart from its courtroom dramatic trials its nothing compared to mundane court trials that take place in real life. Hardly there will be ppl at the back public gallery.

We've got office/corporate/commercial lawyers who do not go to court but handles cases in their offices e.g conveyancing, m&a, initial ADR.

2 cents worth of advice. Don't take up law if you're not willing to put in 101% effort innit.

Go and meet up with a good practicing lawyer (trial/corporate) and talk to him about it, bring your dad along.

Try to borrow some law books from local library, sit down and just read few chapters, and see for yourself whether you can handle them by just sitting for few hours.

Other than that, just keep your choices open if youre still undecided. Don't rush into it.

P.s I had a classmate who barely got through his alevels. But didn't get through his first year after three attempts. He dropped out and studied culinary, now he is working as a sous-chef in a 5 star restaurat.

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post Apr 3 2015, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(schizophrenic @ Apr 3 2015, 10:05 PM)
It is not.  All 4 inns are the same

I have friends from all 4 and I can assure you that inner is not harder to get in.
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I believe it has become more difficult to join Inner temple because of its prerequisites.

Minimum class of honours: 2:1 unlike the other 3 inns which would consider 2:2 as well.

P.s: A TSR forumer posted a link on student intake statistics on this quite some time ago. I tried looking for it but to no avail.
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post Apr 22 2015, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(jonmitch @ Apr 22 2015, 11:08 PM)
Guys, any tips for studying law?
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Wrong question. brows.gif
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post Apr 23 2015, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(chiahau @ Apr 23 2015, 08:26 AM)
The right question should be, any tips to dodge the law?  whistling.gif
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post May 1 2015, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(KuzumiTaiga @ Apr 29 2015, 12:21 AM)
I have a question to address you guys who have had experience dealing in the legal field, while it is obvious that Malay is important as it is the national language, how important is Mandarin? Will there be a lot of clients who prefer conversing in Mandarin rather than English? I believe that I have the fluency in both Malay and English but am a little worried on my shaky Mandarin and Cantonese and if it would affect my marketability to work in top firms. Still doing my year 1 of LLB btw, entering year 2 this Sept. Thanks.
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Mastery over the language is an added advantage but not a MUST.
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post May 3 2015, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(jitd @ May 3 2015, 12:05 AM)
Im concerned about whether i need to equip myself with the Malay language if i intend to practice as a lawyer. I currently only speak english. Conversing in malay had always been difficult for me. Do the malaysian courts require me to conduct procedings in malay?
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Yes, in fact it is part of the requirements prior admittance to the bar.


Could you please provide your curriculum vitae. May be able to assist you from there.

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