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chiahau
post Mar 16 2015, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(cloudy-person @ Mar 16 2015, 09:04 PM)
That statement basically sums up what I'm worried about.
She actually already finished her foundation studies... So I don't think she can "change" her foundation into a diploma.

Someone told my cousin that she could take another exam of some sort that allowed you to practise in all commonwealth countries after her LLB. I don't know how true this statement is, can anyone enlighten me about this so called exam?
I'm also kind of curious why Foundations aren't eligible to take CLP...
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Coz foundations have no standards.

Nuff said.

Only foundation program accepted by CLP is the MMU's Foundation in Law. Other than that, you can kiss your cert good bye.

And there is no such thing as another exam to practice in all commonwealth country.

You need to get CLP, proceed to chambering and then get your "PC"


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post Mar 16 2015, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(chiahau @ Mar 16 2015, 09:11 PM)
Coz foundations have no standards.

Nuff said.

Only foundation program accepted by CLP is the MMU's Foundation in Law. Other than that, you can kiss your cert good bye.

And there is no such thing as another exam to practice in all commonwealth country.

You need to get CLP, proceed to chambering and then get your "PC"
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That's what I thought... If there was this alternative route, I think a lot more people would take this exam instead.

So the only choice for her is to take A-Levels again or to continue with Business studies in UTAR?

chiahau
post Mar 16 2015, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(cloudy-person @ Mar 16 2015, 09:32 PM)
That's what I thought... If there was this alternative route, I think a lot more people would take this exam instead.

So the only choice for her is to take A-Levels again or to continue with Business studies in UTAR?
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Finish her degree in business studies.

Get a job. Study Law after that.

That's what I did, at least tongue.gif
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post Mar 16 2015, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(chiahau @ Mar 16 2015, 09:47 PM)
Finish her degree in business studies.

Get a job. Study Law after that.

That's what I did, at least  tongue.gif
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Wow, where did you study law at? Did you do the external course? o.o



Another question,
I saw that BAC allowed foundation students from other Universities to take their Law degree, so those students cannot take CLP at a later time, too? If so, they sound like crooks to me now
My cousin doesn't intend to study in a Local U, so even if she went to BAC and did the whole course, the degree would be useless? She isn't able to practise overseas as well or be a barrister-at-law in England or take BVC? Or does this rule only apply to CLP only?

Sorry if there's too many questions, I'm just a tad bit too curious and worried, haha. I'm thinking of studying law when I finish high school, too.
chiahau
post Mar 16 2015, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(cloudy-person @ Mar 16 2015, 10:25 PM)
Wow, where did you study law at? Did you do the external course? o.o
Another question,
I saw that BAC allowed foundation students from other Universities to take their Law degree, so those students cannot take CLP at a later time, too? If so, they sound like crooks to me now
My cousin doesn't intend to study in a Local U, so even if she went to BAC and did the whole course, the degree would be useless? She isn't able to practise overseas as well or be a barrister-at-law in England or take BVC?  Or does this rule only apply to CLP only?

Sorry if there's too many questions, I'm just a tad bit too curious and worried, haha. I'm thinking of studying law when I finish high school, too.
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Yeah, external course as well.

BAC allow but they will warn you that you can't do CLP. I remember the Indian counselor told the students clearly.

Forget about BPTC. It's so expensive, the chances to get work permit is all time low and the space allocated for pupilage is even less ( since M'sian are considered as 3rd class compared to Uk citizen and EU citizen )

End of the day, stop trying to cheat her way to a Law degree,

It's a big annoying responsibility, and if you are not capable to even complete a simple requirement, I don't see a reason why she should be a lawyer at all.
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post Mar 22 2015, 10:55 PM

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Hi guys,

I have just graduated from secondary school and are choosing my future path way. My dad recommended me to go for law. But I am pretty much worried about my ability and interests in studying law.

Any seniors here would like to share their experience with me on reading law. Is it difficult? A lot of memorising?

Now I have applied for the foundation in law in MMU, waiting for the offering letter. I heard that MMU students are not required to take the CPL test. Not sure this is good or bad things for future.. haha...

Anyone please share their experience and comments with me... Thanks in advance.
chiahau
post Mar 23 2015, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(jacekgarett @ Mar 22 2015, 10:55 PM)
Hi guys,

I have just graduated from secondary school and are choosing my future path way. My dad recommended me to go for law. But I am pretty much worried about my ability and interests in studying law.

Any seniors here would like to share their experience with me on reading law. Is it difficult? A lot of memorising?

Now I have applied for the foundation in law in MMU, waiting for the offering letter. I heard that MMU students are not required to take the CPL test. Not sure this is good or bad things for future.. haha...

Anyone please share their experience and comments with me... Thanks in advance.
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If you are not interested to pursue law, please don't go ahead with it.

You will have a terrible time and you won't enjoy yourself.

As for MMU, the CLP exemption is based on year to year review.

Can be a good thing or a bad thing.
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post Mar 23 2015, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(chiahau @ Mar 23 2015, 09:11 AM)
If you are not interested to pursue law, please don't go ahead with it.

You will have a terrible time and you won't enjoy yourself.

As for MMU, the CLP exemption is based on year to year review.

Can be a good thing or a bad thing.
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A bit of an update on MMU. They have gotten full exemption already and are not subjected to the yearly approval thing.

This post has been edited by jamesbutron: Mar 23 2015, 11:32 AM
chiahau
post Mar 23 2015, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(jamesbutron @ Mar 23 2015, 11:32 AM)
A bit of an update on MMU. They have gotten full exemption already and are not subjected to the yearly approval thing.
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As long as they fulfill the requirement eh? Good thing for MMU students then icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 23 2015, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(chiahau @ Mar 23 2015, 10:11 AM)
If you are not interested to pursue law, please don't go ahead with it.

You will have a terrible time and you won't enjoy yourself.

As for MMU, the CLP exemption is based on year to year review.

Can be a good thing or a bad thing.
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I am not sure about if I am interested in pursuing law as I didn't have any experience about that except from movies.. So, is there any ways to find out that if i am interest in law or not? For example, read some law books or?
chiahau
post Mar 23 2015, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(jacekgarett @ Mar 23 2015, 12:42 PM)
I am not sure about if I am interested in pursuing law as I didn't have any experience about that except from movies.. So, is there any ways to find out that if i am interest in law or not? For example, read some law books or?
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Go find some famous precedence and read the ancient summaries.

If you can survive it, you might be okay.
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post Mar 23 2015, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(chiahau @ Mar 23 2015, 01:45 PM)
Go find some famous precedence and read the ancient summaries.

If you can survive it, you might be okay.
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Thanks for your fast reply. Sorry to ask about that, where can I find those precedence and ancient summaries?
chiahau
post Mar 24 2015, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(jacekgarett @ Mar 23 2015, 12:51 PM)
Thanks for your fast reply. Sorry to ask about that, where can I find those precedence and ancient summaries?
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This is one of the example I picked off Google.

You ownself find the rest laugh.gif

http://faculty.law.ubc.ca/biukovic/supplements/Hedley.htm
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post Mar 24 2015, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(jacekgarett @ Mar 23 2015, 12:42 PM)
I am not sure about if I am interested in pursuing law as I didn't have any experience about that except from movies.. So, is there any ways to find out that if i am interest in law or not? For example, read some law books or?
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Law in reality and in movies are a big difference.

You have to make sure you like to read a lot. Law involves a lot of reading. All the facts, principles and judgement. Personally I find law quite interesting as every case is like a story to me.

Interest in world issues and critical thinking/analysis are also important for doing well in law.

Law is great as its flexible, you can even not work as a lawyer, there are a lot of options.
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post Mar 27 2015, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(jacekgarett @ Mar 23 2015, 12:42 PM)
I am not sure about if I am interested in pursuing law as I didn't have any experience about that except from movies.. So, is there any ways to find out that if i am interest in law or not? For example, read some law books or?
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Hollywood is all rubbish. Apart from its courtroom dramatic trials its nothing compared to mundane court trials that take place in real life. Hardly there will be ppl at the back public gallery.

We've got office/corporate/commercial lawyers who do not go to court but handles cases in their offices e.g conveyancing, m&a, initial ADR.

2 cents worth of advice. Don't take up law if you're not willing to put in 101% effort innit.

Go and meet up with a good practicing lawyer (trial/corporate) and talk to him about it, bring your dad along.

Try to borrow some law books from local library, sit down and just read few chapters, and see for yourself whether you can handle them by just sitting for few hours.

Other than that, just keep your choices open if youre still undecided. Don't rush into it.

P.s I had a classmate who barely got through his alevels. But didn't get through his first year after three attempts. He dropped out and studied culinary, now he is working as a sous-chef in a 5 star restaurat.

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TSschizophrenic
post Apr 3 2015, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(qazhang @ Mar 5 2015, 11:22 AM)
Its difficult to get into Inner temple... its only for elite yo
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It is not. All 4 inns are the same

I have friends from all 4 and I can assure you that inner is not harder to get in.
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post Apr 3 2015, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(chiahau @ Jan 18 2015, 10:15 AM)
Forget it. If you finish UoL here, it's hard to go to UK to BPTC due to financial reasons + Visa requirement.

Not to mention the number of seat for BPTC is limited per year.

Sidenote : I come from Finance background and I am doing law as we speak now.

No issue about the fact that you enter the field at 26 but be prepared to be frown by the masses unless you are making money while studying.
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I agree on financial but disagree on visa. I know quite a fair bit of people with no issues. Most importantly you need to sort your financials
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post Apr 3 2015, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(qazhang @ Feb 7 2015, 04:37 AM)
With regards to your second question. No. You cannot. You have to file for a fresh petition in order to be admitted to the Sarawak rolls.

On a separate note.

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You can do it here and get partial exemption there. But you have to file afresh as we have two high courts in Malaysia
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post Apr 3 2015, 10:10 PM

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Ok I'm signing off now. Do PM me if there are any questions or clarification. Cheers!
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post Apr 3 2015, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(schizophrenic @ Apr 3 2015, 10:05 PM)
It is not.  All 4 inns are the same

I have friends from all 4 and I can assure you that inner is not harder to get in.
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I believe it has become more difficult to join Inner temple because of its prerequisites.

Minimum class of honours: 2:1 unlike the other 3 inns which would consider 2:2 as well.

P.s: A TSR forumer posted a link on student intake statistics on this quite some time ago. I tried looking for it but to no avail.

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