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Technical Xbox 360 and LCD monitors or ur normal tv, Feedback that'll ease ur decision making

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post Jan 4 2007, 01:55 PM

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staff price la beb. not all ppl can get that price. consider urself lucky got lobang. but the panel itself, nvr heard of it. tongue.gif
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post Jan 4 2007, 02:02 PM

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wa....18 ms...
now lowest is 2 ms d...
the lower the better for gaming...
lower more expensive
Mr. Alby
post Jan 4 2007, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(Syuji @ Jan 4 2007, 02:02 PM)
wa....18 ms...
now lowest is 2 ms d...
the lower the better for gaming...
lower more expensive
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yup..thats wat i tot....no wonder its can b consider cheap.......im trying to find 8ms and below.....
,,,if just wanna display the stock market then different la.....

....i want to opt for plasma, but i wanna try LCD plak....


anyhow...i try to find a shop that sells this thing...(if there any...)....
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post Jan 4 2007, 02:33 PM

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sometimes they calculate the ms by adding the color ms and the grey ms together wan rite.
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post Jan 4 2007, 07:35 PM

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ok i got my 2407 this is bad using the component
the things seems to be shaky and colour arent that nice
using 1080i hdtv
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post Jan 4 2007, 07:48 PM

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2407wfp are known for their lousy component input.. u gotta get the vga cable for it. wink.gif
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post Jan 4 2007, 07:51 PM

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wtfux omg sad.gif imm doomed

imm using 3rd party vga
what resolution contrast brightness is the best?
imm using 1920x1080
its good but i can see horizontal transparent lines across the screen

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post Jan 6 2007, 09:25 AM

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guys i'm thinking of getting LG L194WT lcd monitor for 360 & pc gaming. any comments?
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post Jan 6 2007, 11:38 AM

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its a widescreen?
just get any good low ms screen its good for hi def gaming liao lor i see
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post Jan 6 2007, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(aegis`- @ Jan 6 2007, 11:38 AM)
its a widescreen?
just get any good low ms screen its good for hi def gaming liao lor i see
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how's your Dell 2407WFP...nice or not???? review pls cool2.gif cool2.gif
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post Jan 6 2007, 01:55 PM

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ok good for me but the component input really suck
u need the vga cable to perform running at highest reso 1900x1xxx something i forgot tongue.gif
but i get to see some transparent horizontal lines on the dashboard
i duno what is it but im using 3rd party cables
plan to switch them to microsoft
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post Jan 6 2007, 03:22 PM

 

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QUOTE(aegis`- @ Jan 6 2007, 01:55 PM)
ok good for me but the component input really suck
u need the vga cable to perform running at highest reso 1900x1xxx something i forgot tongue.gif
but i get to see some transparent horizontal lines on the dashboard
i duno what is it but im using 3rd party cables
plan to switch them to microsoft
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if u're using 1080p on 2407 vga, reduce sharpness to 30 otherwise u'll see those lines...

stupid 2407 damn crippled

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post Jan 6 2007, 03:59 PM

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Walau...so many bad comments on the 2407...I almost got one...and two of my friends just bought! OMG!
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post Jan 6 2007, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(ionStorm @ Jan 6 2007, 03:59 PM)
Walau...so many bad comments on the 2407...I almost got one...and two of my friends just bought! OMG!
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isnt this model > RM2000?
still exp for my budget sweat.gif

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post Jan 6 2007, 06:33 PM

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early this week it was going for 2.3k or so.. its still a good buy i reckon.

Personally I'm waiting for 24" BenQ with updated firmware.. which may come later.. hoping by feb or march. Cost around 3k
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post Jan 6 2007, 07:35 PM

 

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the 2407 is a fantastic monitor with a fantastic price if you're gonna use it for a PC. Quality is fantastic and I'm still happy with my purchase...

Sadly, running it with the xbox 360 results in some irritation due to poor component implementation, no 1:1 scaling for 1080p, and those silly half-visible vertical lines you get unless you reduce sharpness to 30 from 50.

Other than that, running at 720p or 1360x768 still looks fantastic and till today I'm still squinting my eyes to see the minimal difference of 1360x768 and 1080p (of course, if you had a larger screen, say 32" you'd see the difference immediately). Hence, the difference between 720p and 1080p on the 24" 2407 is very minimal.

whew.
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post Jan 6 2007, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(Gurdian @ Jan 6 2007, 07:35 PM)
the 2407 is a fantastic monitor with a fantastic price if you're gonna use it for a PC. Quality is fantastic and I'm still happy with my purchase...

Sadly, running it with the xbox 360 results in some irritation due to poor component implementation, no 1:1 scaling for 1080p, and those silly half-visible vertical lines you get unless you reduce sharpness to 30 from 50.

Other than that, running at 720p or 1360x768 still looks fantastic and till today I'm still squinting my eyes to see the minimal difference of 1360x768 and 1080p (of course, if you had a larger screen, say 32" you'd see the difference immediately). Hence, the difference between 720p and 1080p on the 24" 2407 is very minimal.

whew.
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gurdian.. i want to ask..
since u have it... i assume u run 1080p using VGA.. and its 16:10 right
so some game will have distortion.. and some games have black bars right?
what u mean by 1:1 scaling?
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post Jan 6 2007, 08:56 PM

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ah thx change sharpness and got the screen tearing done
whats ur best contrast and brightness and pixel setting anything there i shld set to have the best viewing experience?
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post Jan 6 2007, 09:10 PM

 

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QUOTE(prazole @ Jan 6 2007, 08:23 PM)
gurdian.. i want to ask..
since u have it... i assume u run 1080p using VGA.. and its 16:10 right
so some game will have distortion.. and some games have black bars right?
what u mean by 1:1 scaling?
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ALL games and movies run slightly stretched when using 1080p on the 2407.

This problem roots back to when the 2407 was first released, after a certain resolution, (i think 1600x1200 or 1680x1050, i can't remember), the "1:1" and "Aspect" scaling options are greyed out for some goddamn reason and all you're left with is "Full" which basically stretches the image to fill the whole screen irregardless of resolution or aspect ratio.

However, run the x360 on 1360x768 or lower, you'll have those options.
1:1 will display an image according to the amount of pixels that are being used. If you used 640x480, means u'll have a black bars all around, top, bottom, left and right of the image u are displaying.

"Aspect" will stretch the image to fill the screen but will maintain the proper aspect ratio, in our case, 16:9. As a result, you would want to play 720p on aspect as it stretches to fill the screen instead of playing "1:1" and have a small screen in the center.

So coming back to our case...2407 owners will have a choice:

1. Run at 1080p and enjoy a VERY SLIGHTLY stretched image which is almost unnoticable in games (but rather revealing when watching movies).

2. Run at a lower res and have a properly scaled image with very small black bars on the top and bottom.

Personally, I run at 1280x768 on "Aspect" mode as it provides the smallest black bars possible. 1360x768 may be a higher res, but the black bars are thicker. Heck, I change between those two all the time.

As I've mentioned in my previous post, I've stared and stared and stared at 1080p and compared it with 720p and there is only a VERY MINIMAL difference due to the 2407 being only 24".

*gasp* *wheeze*

At the end of the day, sitting in my room playing the 360 with the 2407 is still a fantastic budget HD experience. Plus it is a fantastic PC monitor with a shitload (1920x1200) of viewing space and movies and web browsing is an enjoyable activity.

This post has been edited by Gurdian: Jan 6 2007, 10:23 PM
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post Jan 6 2007, 09:29 PM

 

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QUOTE(aegis`- @ Jan 6 2007, 08:56 PM)
ah thx change sharpness and got the screen tearing done
whats ur best contrast and brightness and pixel setting anything there i shld set to have the best viewing experience?
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sorry i didn't reply ur pm about finding the sharpness setting, aegis. Was writing the grandmother story post above ^^. Glad you found it.

Pixel setting, well, read the grandmother story ending.

Contrast and brightness really depends on personal preference.
But this is what I do:

Set reso to 1280x720.
Set 2407 setting to "Aspect"
Load up the "Making Titanic" video.
While Mr. Cameron is talking about how much he rocks, pause the video.
What you should notice by now is two black bars that are BRIGHTER than the outer black bars. These darker black bars are simply the unused pixels of the monitor.

Adjust your BRIGHTNESS until those bright black bars become the same shade of black as the "black" black bars and you should have a decent picture with decent colour. I managed to align the blacks at brightness 24.

As for contrast, push it up to 60 or 65 but no more than 70 because the higher you go, the more washed out the colours become. We only want our whites and blacks to stand out better so don't tweak too much.

Note: When you adjust the brightness, and shift to dvi (where my pc is connected), the brightness for the DVI is affected as well. I got use to brightness 24 for my desktop instead of the default 50 and actually found it more comfortable and pleasing to the eye, as any 2407 owner will tell you, using the monitor on the default brightness levels sometimes requires you to wear sunglasses as the brightness is just staggering.

edit: It is impossible to get a picture and colour quality on the 2407 that is equal to a rm5000 lcd tv such as the samsung r7 or even a conventional CRT tv. Remember for RM2300-2400 (I paid RM2900 btw tongue.gif) it's pretty good edi ler...

This post has been edited by Gurdian: Jan 6 2007, 09:34 PM

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