well i dont think one would not do well in examinations just because he didn't like the atmosphere or didn't like his roommates. All races are supposed to be united and such racist comments should not be given. Its one's fault if one didn't do well in examinations. AIMST foundation is a very good programme. No university will assure you a place in the degree programme if you do not have the required results. AIMST gives you a chance to even repeat the foundation programme. To qualify to enter the AIMST medical school, you need very high marks (CGPA of 3.5 and above). This already proves that the standard of the programme is very high unlike many other universities which only require CGPA 3.0. As students of AIMST, we know how good the programme is. The people who talk bad about the university are not AIMST students or those who failed and put the blame on the university rather than themselves. A student may do well in school but it does not mean he will do well in university if he doesn't put in his effort. There are many non indians in my batch. The roommates are indians and they are coping well. Its all about adapting to the environment. There are many people in this world, you cant expect everybody to please you. Its time to change and stop blaming others, look at yourself. You kept blaming the university and the environment, do you think that your cousin does not have any mistakes? Then how come so many students are studying in AIMST and graduating?

a lot of very sensitive people here, obviously......

i am giving the scenario as i am told.......like i said, i am not sure what exactly happened.......

there was certainly very high hopes initially.......

and like i said again, it's water under the bridge, he is happy doing something else at another ipts, and is happy with it.......

That was the reason why I was offered biomolecular engineering; the courses became postgrad then. It was my third choice.
Well everyone knows what they are talking about but to what extent of sensibility and sensitivity. hmmm.....

so it is agreed than getting into a non-critical undergraduate course is easy.........melbourne u being in the top 20 ranking does NOT mean it is difficult to get into non-critical courses........

this issue was discussed in another thread some time ago.........where there was arguement whether melbourne qualifies to be branded 'ivy league'.......ala harvard, oxbridge.....the difference between them is, it is VERY difficult to enter the real ivy leaguers whereas it is very easy to enter melbourne, or any oz uni for that matter......(actually graduating is another matter, the dropout rates is high in non-critical courses, whereas they have to ensure there is minimal dropout in critical courses).......

the other issue discussed then was the fees.......melbourne capitalised on their ranking by charging the highest fees of all oz unis.........up to 50% more than median fees........and many willingly paid up, thinking they are getting some prestige......

on the other hand, oxford and cambridge fees are surprising low......about median for uk unis....and there are lots of little scholarships one can get (few thousand pounds, pays for college fees).......but getting in is the problem.......after going through the process of writing personal statements, interview (by an oxford physics professor!!), a friend's daughter has just been offered to read chemistry in oxford....the provisional offer is conditional on AAA at a-levels.......imagine.......that is for only a pure science subject like chemistry......

in summary, melbourne wants your money.........oxbridge wants your brains.......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jan 30 2009, 12:44 AM

I think you missed the point about how i put med n denti in the choices that became postgrad.

I guess the selection is tough. I have two friends in the uni n one doing med n she was somewhat on my scale. But then again, your point is: our foundation is not good? or plainly we are unqualified for our course? or plainly you have greatly achieved something that was because of the system? or our course is not good? or are you implying that we r potential dropouts? or anything else ... I used to love to hear them but spare me if it is any more venomous.

Haha ... now melbourne U is bad .... well I dun care ... I am proud n satisfied with my little uni with less fees but allows me to grow n expand ... its the person that matters not the place for me ... i suppose u heard of oxbridge furnishing our tingkat 4 in putrajaya ... n they wan brains.... well i hope you apply to be on MQA, you would make a great QC if they ever employ you...

This post has been edited by rav063: Jan 30 2009, 12:53 AM

dentistry is undergraduate still......last intake 2009......

applying means nothing......i can tell you for a fact, you are never ever considered for dentistry with your aimst foundation.......

to quote Cristiano-Ronaldo-7: 'i guess its one's mistake to take a qualification that doesn't allow one to qualify to other international institution?'

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/416477/+1360#entry23325870

though i have the letter .... u will say that they wrote it like that but secretly cast my application away n u never did clarify your stand when i asked u ... but i do not need to prove n insult my intelligence to u .....

Take care and have fun.

This post has been edited by rav063: Jan 30 2009, 12:57 AM

it's a standard letter saying your application has been received, and is under consideration.........everybody who applies gets one lah.......

this is usually followed by a letter saying that after due consideration, the course cannot be offered, but you are now offered another course of your choice.......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jan 30 2009, 01:05 AM

Oh this was the letter after that letter... hmm why m i replying you ...
though i think i can read n know what it means n i love your smileys:clap:



This post has been edited by rav063: Jan 30 2009, 01:26 AM

i'm a student here, and i b**** about this place too...there are just some things which you cannot agree with...

plus you don't have to get so jumpy when someone mentions the word 'Indian'...chill dude...

but i must say that, SAM is nothing compared to the aimst foundation...SAM is just too easy (oh yes, i have friends who sat for sam n apparently it's just like another spm), which is why to qualify for aussie uni's you need like what, ter 99?

just because 'so many students are graduating' doesn't mean they're producing good ones...

I hear you can sometime get in with lower if you did your foundation at their related Trinity College in Melbourne.

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Added on January 30, 2009, 8:24 amWith student without the required maturity, they may find it hard to adapt. Very common.

On AIMST quality. I read they are based on UK's Bristol University which is one of the top 10 in UK. May be they were successful in the quality transfer? Have you compare it with your other friends in IMU or PMC or overseas or whatever doing medicine as well? Would be interesting to know.

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Added on January 30, 2009, 8:28 amUS Ivy league wanted your brain more than Oxbridge.

I think with Oxbridge, you pay 2 fees. A university tuition fees that is not much different from any other UK uni. Plus another college fees. You should go look at Imperial College who's fee can be GBP10,000 (RM50,000) more per year

This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Jan 30 2009, 08:28 AM

like i said, the college fees can often be covered with some minor scholarships..........the university tuition fees is actually quite low........and imperial behaves somewhat like melbourne........they gorged international students........

i purposely didn't mention us ivy leagues........but harvard has apparently more scholarships/bursaries on offer than there are places available, so if they want you, no money is not a barrier.......

and yes, the attraction of melbourne's trinity foundation is guaranteed entry into critical courses if you meet a minimum cutoff......they have a different scoring system, but i understand it equates ter97......which is a decent cutoff, not like <80 in some ipts.........not relevant now, as these popular courses are now graduate entry......

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Added on January 30, 2009, 10:43 amthis is a common misunderstanding about the oz ter system......

it doesn't matter whether the year 12 studies (sam, ausmat, hsc wbatever) is easy or hard, you are NOT marked with absolute grades, unlike most other exams, like a levels, stpm, matrik, foundations etc.......(although you also get a abcde grading as well)

your ter score is a percentile score, ie it marks you RELATIVE position to the rest of the students, in this case, the entire year 12 cohort of australia.....

therefore you may think sam is easy........but you relative position will still be the same, as everybody else also thinks it's easy and score high marks......

therefore, if a cutoff of say 95 is required, it means they only want the TOP 5% of students.....there will be lots of students with multiple a's but with lower ter, and they will not be considered......

a ter of 99 means you are the TOP 1%......how many of you thinks you are there?

understand?

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Added on January 30, 2009, 11:26 amperhaps i can illustrate with a couple of real case examples........

a smk has 10 form 5 classes, a total of 400+ students......the best students are streamed into the first class.......a girl in that class consistently gets position between 10-20 in the class....therefore she is within the top 20 out of 400 students, ie the top 5%......

she did sam, and indeed achieve a score of ter 96.35........(in the grades format, she scored 5 A's)........

her sam classmate came from another smk with 8 classes (300+students) and is consistently in the top 3 positions of the best class, ie top 1% of the form 5 cohort.......he achieved a ter of 99.55 (also 5A's).......applied but not given a place in Melbourne medicine.......

both are now in imu

note that both got 5A's.......in the stpm/a levels system, they will be on par......

in the ter system, it is obvious there is a significant difference between 96.35 and 99.55........

one can also pretty much guesstimate what ter one may get if one does sam......just look at your overall position amongst your form 5 classmates, and that is your likely percentile ranking......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jan 30 2009, 01:03 PM

when will the first batch student of pharmacy graduate?

i was an ex-student foundation student there.
i think it all comes to how you get along with the others there.

i had 12 students sharing in my unit back then. 4 per room in 3 rooms. 8 were indians. the rest chinese. 2 of my chinese friends eventually moved out. but i had no problem living with the rest. in fact, we were quite happening back then.

stealing food is common there i guess. just keep your valuables in the locker. yea, i keep my food there too. but during our time, someone found out how to break open the lockers as well.

h/p stolen while sleeping? haha, there was a record of 4 handphones stolen from bedsides in 1 night. thief was caught but i guess he made a comeback?

not to say the foundation sucks, but its just how u bring urself around. your peers play a main role.

I think by the middle of this year (around Sept .. latest??)
My batch 3 friend is in second year going to second sem. So i m making my calculations based on this.
There is an intake once a year each Sept so i hope my math tallies.

A bit curious.The dental surgery of Aimst is also very competitive or not?If you free just answer me please edge85 ! Thanks!!!

This post has been edited by MBBS siang: Feb 2 2009, 07:39 PM

so ter is like percentile la?

but still it's about being the best out of an 'easy' exam. like scoring 99% or 99.5% for Matematik Moden.

competitive in what sense? entrance, or the studying years?

if entrance, i'm not sure at all. but if have reasonably good stpm/a levels/sam results, then it should be no problem.

for studying years, well, you just gotta know your stuff when you're in the clinics. or else, expect really bad scoldings lor...

AIMST U is under MIC rite? mostly Indians study there. if we able to mix around with other race shouldn't be a prob to us rite, but how about the engineering programs there? heard lecturer mostly Indians ?

it is not as easy as you think.....note that only 50% of the final marks come from the final exam.....the other 50% come from tests, assignments, assessments throughout the year.....

and you still don't understand the percentile concept.......

if you score 99% in modern maths, and 50% of your cohort scores more then 99%, then your ter is 50........not 99.....

and if you score 25 marks in a kickass difficult exam, and half your friends only managed to get 26 marks, you are STILL at ter50............

the best is still the best......no matter the difficulty of the exam........as everybody faces the same difficulty........

you should instead be concerned about the quality of fixed grade 'difficult' exams like a levels, stpm, matrik........when you get 30% of candidates getting 3A's in a-levels, and >1000 students getting cgpa 4.0 in matrik......you will have to wonder, how widely different is the standard between the best and the worst of the 3A's/4.0...........because if they were ranked based on the ter method, they will likely be getting ters of between 94 - 99.95...............but unlike sam and ter, you can't tell them apart!

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 2 2009, 10:54 PM

I think you underestimated SAM. Like limeuu said, it's not as easy as you think.

As for scoring 99% or 99.5% for math, you're talking about one achieving perfect grade of A20 which means only about 20+ students. Forgot in Malaysia or the whole population of SAM students.. And even if you score a 100% for your finals, if you screw your internals, that's it. They pull your marks down.

A real case example :

A got 26/50 percent for the internals. During finals, A got 176/200 marks for the final paper which could normally lead to A18, but because he screwed his internals, he got a B15 instead.

For the rest, limeuu already elaborated.