Yes, thanks limeuu for the link. I have finally found your post:

And this is what's written on the SMC web site:


SMC web site
Now when i read back, i seriously LOL. Pls do proper research before answering next time. And try to admit when you are wrong.

Cheers mate.

BTW, pls clarify what do you mean by private medical education destroy the spirit of "service to your country and your people".

This post has been edited by hypermax: Jan 17 2009, 08:40 PM

Now who is being defensive? Now who is not admitting their mistakes?

I don't read every single article, but I certainly know something called search.

the visa on arrival for Malaysians was a leftover from the Commonwealth era, where the ties with the UK were still strong. But very early on (in the early 70's) India lost that "privilege", for the simple reason there were just too many Indian nationals who went there to study/work/holiday, and never left. Now the same "syndrome" is affecting Malaysians, regardless of race, creed and travel history.

They will be even stricter on Malaysian students going to the UK to study, probably starting the end of a time where Malaysian's looked to the UK for further studies. So stricter tourist regulations -> stricter student visa requirements -> stricter working rules -> what's the point really, going to the UK to study?

It doesn't matter if Malaysian doctors were not the one who abused the visa. You are tarnished with the same brush as Malaysian citizens, rightly or wrongly. And the removal of visa on arrival will (indirectly) affect M'sian doctors, where it will be even harder getting jobs in the UK (because the employers want people who wouldn't have too much problem getting a visa), as if it is not hard enough.

But I will let this matter rest. We have gone too far from the original title of the thread.

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Added on January 17, 2009, 9:55 pmNow why do you think medical education in some quarters is expensive?

This post has been edited by haya: Jan 17 2009, 10:01 PM

Did i ridicule your good friend when he claimed that visa was withdrawn? I was merely asking for reference. Since he's the one who pointed out such issue, by logic he's responsible for providing reference.

Mistake? what mistake have i made? Care to point out?

You and him on the other hand, jumped to conclusion that "you obviously dun read newspaper and watch TV news". Who's getting defensive?

So back to my questions, what does this issue has to do with the discussion? are Msian doctors the ones responsible for such change? He mentioned the Indian Syndrome in the context of doctors. If there's no link, why bother even include this statement in the discussion in the first place?

This post has been edited by hypermax: Jan 17 2009, 10:13 PM

again, not quite.........never once did i refer to singapore, but was a general comment in responce to a misguided belief.....context of my comments here:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry18524675

QUOTE(hypermax @ Jul 11 2008, 08:07 PM)
Wow, is this the attitude of a Melbourbe U student?? Wow, something went wrong in the selection of students man. I thought students in Melbourne U are mostly humble and hardworking bunch, instead of egoistic idiot like you (i personally know a few people from medical course in melbourne U, mostly your seniors, that is if you are really from melbourne U wink.gif )

Well, say all you want about Manipal, UM or other local Us. In the end, all of us will be doctors. And once i obtained MRCP or other specialist degree, I'll be recognized worldwide.

Btw, entering medical course in local Us for non-bumi is even harder than entering melbourne U.<removed>

limeuu: eh........not quite.......

registration to practice in a country depends on the primary qualification.........not the subsequent postgraduate qualifications........

and in uk, the mrcp is an ENTRANCE qualification, ie you are ready to enter into advanced specialist training........at the current moment, to qualify for consultant grade jobs, you need the cst........

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Added on January 17, 2009, 10:58 pmin any case, if you think you can get full registration in spore with an mrcp, you are greatly mistaken........read the condition carefully.....'exit specialist qualification'....from the uk, you will need the CST......and you get a provisional registration, based on having securing a job as a trainee........

look in the mirror first......

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Added on January 17, 2009, 11:40 pmwhere did i do that?


This post has been edited by limeuu: Jan 17 2009, 11:40 PM

Alright everyone; all too hot to handle ...

Well .. I hope someone can answer my query sometime back?

Read the condition again carefully. A recognized postgraduate or exit specialist qualification. Click here for the list of registrable post-grad degree.



In the Medical student thread, i asked you the following after your above post:
And the following is your answer:

So you wanna swallow back the words you have uttered? Stop arguing for the sake of saving grace.

Btw, i made a mistake in my previous statement on visa. It should be: "Did i ridicule your good friend when he claimed that UK is thinking of withdrawing the visa on arrival for Msians? I was merely asking for reference. Since he's the one who pointed out such issue, by logic he's responsible for providing reference."

Anyway, if you can, pls answer my question on both the visa and your statement of private medical education.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Jan 18 2009, 02:48 AM

cool down man...this forum is just providing the space for discussion not war!!!!people from the same field being exchange idea and knowledge is good but seem your discussion is too much than this.....you all are future doctor so shouldn't agitated easily isn it? no matter you are from reputable U(developed countries) or "normal"medical school(3rd world countries) i think exchanging the idea is better than attacking each other by "rocket salvoes"!!!!! please!!!!cool down evryone!!!!haha...this is my sincere advice to all of you

This post has been edited by MBBS siang: Jan 18 2009, 06:02 AM

Internet forums generally serve 2 purposes. Exchange of ideas and a playground for fun. Both will draw people to it.

...........many here are too obsessed with practicing in Singapore.
(Luckily I'm not one of them)

Who knows. May be when Pakatan comes to power, everybody would want to stay back in Malaysia.

i didn't 'claim', it's a fact, extensively reported in the media, both mainstream and alternative.......

SO now you wanna play with words? Alright. What i meant by "claimed" means "stated". I did not ridicule you for your statement but instead was only asking for reference. Anyway, can you answer what's the link between this issue and our discussion since msian doctors are clearly not the ones responsible for such change?

What's your say on the S'pore registration issue? You know you are wrong and you are keeping quiet?


To the others:
Read the posts at page 34 of this thread. I was discussing with csrulez about AMC and suddenly limeuu dropped the statement such as "Indian Syndrome" and "private medical education destroys the spirit of service to your people and your country". I seriously dun know what's he's trying to achieve by mocking the entire subcontinent people and private medical education.

BTW, not obsessed with working in S'pore. Just wanna show some egoistic fellow that he's wrong. That's all.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Jan 18 2009, 12:56 PM

as for registration in singapore, the specifics are as stated in their website, in particular, non recognised foreign graduates, where there is avenue for conditonal registration subject to the conditions stated........which includes offer of employment before applying for registration......

you however cannot get the standard full registration.....

much of my comments have been in general, and not specifically in respect to spore.........

the specifics of singapore, from experience, is that this pathway is discretionary.....

Read the info on the SMC web site carefully before attempting to reply here. After working under supervision for a period of time (a year for S'pore citizens and 2 years for non-citizens), you can proceed to obtain full registration.

Clearly, you have made a mistake. I asked you in the other thread whether i can work in S'pore after obtaining MRCP. Your answer was "No", which is incorrect based on the info of the SMC web site. Having realised your mistake, you are now trying to defend yourself by saying you were only making comments in general. How brilliant.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Jan 18 2009, 01:10 PM

There are only 2 pathways for foreign trained doctors (inclusive of those with recognized primary qualifications) to work in s'pore for a long run. Provisional and conditional registration. Provisional registration is for fresh grads with recognized primary qualifications who have yet to complete housemansip. For those who wanna work either as MO or specialist in Singapore, they have to obtain conditional registration and work under supervision for a specific period of time, before proceeding to obtain full registration.

I am not really keen on working in S'pore, as i have heard from many that life in kinda stressful there as expectation is high. However, S'pore is a good place for specialist/sub-specialist training.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Jan 18 2009, 01:29 PM

most people here can tell the difference between 'claimed' and factual information........

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Added on January 18, 2009, 1:22 pmeh........not provisional registration lah.........that is for the housemanship, and only for those whose primary qualification is recognised........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jan 18 2009, 01:22 PM

Instead of playing with words, why not start answering the question posted to you?

And i have already explained what i was trying to say, now it's your turn.

Read my post carefully before posting reply. I mentioned "inclusive of those with recognized primary qualifications". These 2 pathways are the only options for foreign trained doctors wishing to practice in S'pore for the long run. I was stating in "general"

This post has been edited by hypermax: Jan 18 2009, 01:25 PM

.....but it can get a bit vexing sometimes........especially when people gets argumentative and ruminative.......

Isn't that you?

spore is the 'what msia could have been' model.......and hence, not without merit, a defacto standard for msia/msian to benchmark against.........

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Added on January 18, 2009, 1:28 pmi think it is pretty clear to most here who starts arguments in this forum......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jan 18 2009, 01:28 PM