there is the SCIENCE and the ART of medicine.....

to be good in the science, you really have to have a brilliant mind....and that is why good academic results is the first prerequisite.....

the art of medicine is more tricky, and is NOT liked to academic ability.....some people calls it the eq....as opposed to iq........

the vast majority of brilliant students/doctors will have good eq too.....but not all.......and it is these exceptions that people time and time again use to justify that good results is not essential to make a good doctor.....

on the other hand, there will be those weaker students who struggles through their studies and eventually their working life.......but have good eq, and patients still like them, even though they may not be very competent or knowledgeable.......

developed countries recognise all these, and then select their med students carefully.......first step, only the bright students are shortlisted (generally means top 5% of the student cohort).....and from this group, by personality assessment and interview, choose those who is deemed potentially will be good in the art of medicine.......

many med students with poor academic results in msian and 3rd world med schools, will never have even pass the first step were they in 1st world countries.......

Judging from all your posts, you're all most probably future medical practitioners. Then what do you think that could be done to correct this problem? Of wanting both IQ & EQ in doctors. If this continues, manyak susah lor...

Btw, you must also take into consideration, there are many lower/middle class top students who missed by an A in their STPM and don't get to study medicine locally. And just because some of them enroll in IPTS, you can't say he's of a lower class doctor can you?

In addition, are you saying only the richer & smarter ones get to be the best doctors?

Therefore the only thing a private medical school can do to increase the quality of doctors produced and to earn money at the same time, is to drop out students who can't cope with the curriculum itself. Drop up rates are higher if the entry requirement is lower, i presume. The curriculum should also be updated from time to time to follow the medical trend.

onelove89, ya can check out this site for more info on our present curriculum.

http://www.aimst.edu.my/facultiesn/faculti...ils/medprog.asp

Anyways, I believed i've learned alot from this forum regarding the medical profession.

ah........finally someone pin point the root cause of the mess called the msian education system.......

what can you expect when mediocrity is used in an arena of human activity very much based on meritocracy.....?

My sentence structure sucking and how does it not sound nice to you? You're the one who started comparing the life of cats

For once I agree about not arguing with you about your lecturers accomplishments.Most universities would have a dean in their respective academic departments with impressive track records. Appreciate the effort in detailed breakdown of your dentistry academic department up there but how about the medical/surgery dept.?

Tell me if MIC is not the main fund raiser for your university then where did they get their funds from?

About your way of studying who dares question your method?Read carefully again what I've said.I did not refer nor I said it was your method of studying directly in my last post.I said "if" you can manage passes by just depending entirely on lectures it makes the situation no different than spoon feeding.Got it?
You really need sleep, the impulsive temper is deterring you from debating with openly with me with a clear state of mind.

I'm not questioning your memory or anything but when you have requirements like referring students with ID only makes it seems like something amidst.It's not without flaws though.What makes you think that your student database is secure enough not for them to do look-ups?

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Added on July 14, 2008, 4:24 am

Sorry for not answering your 2nd last post previously.

I did not want to answer because I felt it was unnecessary to condemn the indian medical standards and further cause racial tensions.

There's been a whole lot of cases happening in the world recently.Haven't you heard?

Recently an indian surgeon in the US operated on a patient's wrong lung?
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/In...ng-lung/328213/

Have you heard of Dr. Death from Australia who was responsible for the lives of 17 people with his wrong diagnosis?

Have you heard of organ selling trades?

There you go..for the reasons I lost trust in Indian medical standards.

That's the thing. USMLE, i was thinking of taking Step 1 after my pre-clinicals year. Is it possible to do so? And yeah, i'm not sure about the international recognition of AIMST too. Probably it's a really new med school, therefore not on the list? Am really not sure about it.

This site provides list of universities recognised by MMC tho, updated on 23th of June 08.

http://mmc.gov.my/v1/docs/Jadual_Kedua.pdf

now you are quoting from me...

those who cannot study in 1st world countries for whatever reasons always justify like that lah.....'not worth it'......but based on the number of parents and students from all over the world trying to get into oz/uk med schools paying full fees.......obvious this is not the case........

oh, oz is definitely closed to international medical graduates except from uk/canada.....you can always sit for the amc exams of course........good luck.....they do however recruit senior GP's from commonwealth countries to man rural clinics, where there is a severe shortage, initially they will give a temporary registration........

How long do you think one has to take to earn back the one million ringgit? I don't think my parents can live that long for me to fully repay them back.

gmc recognised/recognises several former colonies med schools......

no everbody will even if they can......but it is nice to have the option.......

uk is not that perfect a place to migrate.....

i did work there for a while.......

i don't think gmc recognised any indian med school, ever.....

but um is NOT recognised by gmc......

getting the right answer using the wrong method and reasoning is NOT acceptable.....

I've read on the RAF website that they do recruit doctors and dentists from commonwealth countries. If you can't take PLAB because you're a non-UK citizen, then what about it?