is proton really unrealiable as said by malaysian people? ecspecially after persona and preve.or is it our mindset that proton means bad quality? does the parts really dont last long? should proton be removed from consideration from buying cars? people who own persona and preve can shed some light on this issue?

U just landed in malaysia is it?

because i have never personally driven one,none of my family members own one and the people who own one never have complained to me. thats why wana hear it from proton owners

rich pipul spotted

my dad drives corolla ke30 and my bro drives corolla ae101.

which car doesn't have problems? proton car is not bad la, jz qc an issue. but not everybody so lucky, go visit the car club threads and see how active proton users are

Waa old school la ur family

drifter! hahaha nway, it depends la..lots of proton on the road, of course logically lots of complaints.

thats a logical point.. drifter? haha

Yea, Proton cars not that bad but the QC suck only. There are alot imperfection Proton cars escaped from their QC. My friend taking the new Saga 1.3 having some roof problem where rain water will leaking into car cabin while my ex colleague's Persona get a defect alternator which his alternator spoilt after just 3 months.
Some who are lucky, they never have any issue with Proton car...
Well, buying Proton car is like a betting, there are high chances you will bought a defect car. Of course SC will replace and fix for you but there is imperfection already....

Yea, Proton cars not that bad but the QC suck only. There are alot imperfection Proton cars escaped from their QC. My friend taking the new Saga 1.3 having some roof problem where rain water will leaking into car cabin while my ex colleague's Persona get a defect alternator which his alternator spoilt after just 3 months.
Some who are lucky, they never have any issue with Proton car...
Well, buying Proton car is like a betting, there are high chances you will bought a defect car. Of course SC will replace and fix for you but there is imperfection already....

As a car its okay but because of the qc issue, small little things might give problem such as noise, leak rattling. Other car also have these issue especially japanese car but it won't be as bad as proton. In the early stage the problem might seem small to be ignored but later on it'll get worse if it doesn't be fixed. Another issue is with their official service center. Totally inefficient. Other than those, yeah, still drivable and purchasable if not opting for much higher range cars.

i owned both persona elegance and preve

qc suck is true. but spec good is also true price cheap is also true

even everymonth i go fix car also cheaper thn toyota

They are not unreliable..but the quality sucks. 2003 vios also more solid than proton whatever model..

im driving an 11 years old proton waja and it serves me well... didn't give me much problem.. =D

Well like any other product, a car is only as good as it's quality, isn't it? No matter how good the design & specs are but if built with crappy quality then it is indeed a bad car.

This post has been edited by 6UE5T: Mar 29 2013, 12:54 AM

the car price in malaysia is very expensive to own if compare with GDP...
there is a good reason why people looking for japanese car rather than local proton.

buying a proton car is a betting game, but who the hell wish to bet with your hard earn money when the responsibilities of having a good quality and reliable car is with proton them self.

The only dragging point of proton is their qc

proton should hire people with OCD to work in their qc line

+1

Well, Lamborghini has a bit of a reputation... not that reliable.







Just to show a few.

So are they bad cars?

I'm sure Proton could improve their QC... but that will cost money. Money that people are not willing to pay, cause it's a Proton. It has to be cheap. I remember reactions to the Preve pricing, saying it is too expensive. Seriously?

My first car was Proton Iswara Sedan 1.5. I used it for almost 8 years and never have major problem with it. Very worthy with the price.

my 1st car Proton Saga now already 20 years and serves me well, until recently got radiator problem (it's 20 years old radiator what would u expect?)
bought another saga flx se and serve me well also
u get for what u paid, want a very good quality car but dont want pay much, how?
recently volkswagen just recall all their i think passat car due to gearbox problem so? it's Volkswagen not Proton but no one bash
my office mate just bought vios trd full spec and after ride with my saga flx se he said :

other than engine which saga (campro) is louder, all the other thing is just the same or almost, why the hell i paid more for vios?

not a vios basher or any car basher but u cant expect RM50k car to have quality like RM90k car - that's it

* my personal opinion

The first gen Vios is better than later gen vios even. Those buggers are built like tanks

Proton got warranty ma no nid worry at all, just claim until u satisfied and its free, my ex persona oso very reliable used for 4 years no break down at all, power window oso no rosak lol.

But of coz u drive proton ppl sure look down on u la,
If got money buy 100k+ car, else juz stick to proton,perodua and save for better car nxt time,dun bother with those <100k made in thailand, it's not any better, proton is reliable.

QC bad, but the car is still reliably driveable, I can accept. Most Proton have little to no mechanical problems, just poor fit and finish and minor parts that fail sooner than their Japanese counterparts.

But if you wanna talk about poor reliability that causes the car to breakdown on the road, I think some conti brands are worst than Proton. Ever heard of a conti brand that have almost 100% gearbox failure rate (It's almost not a matter IF it will breakdown, it's WHEN it will breakdown). Conti cars drives nicely and often features new tech, but reliability is not their strong suit. The worst parts is, you pay more for them, so most owners just keep quiet.

Japanese have better reliability, though most of them drives like a freaking boat or/and features old tech (Which is why it is reliable, I guess)....

nobody mention the crony part suppliers?

Well, I guess the thread starter got his/her answer. Overall, OK cars but inconsistent quality. Don't expect the best of the best-lah, just cars that will get the job done... eventually

Every car that is assembled in Malaysia and uses locally made parts buy them from cronies, not just Proton.

It is what it is.

i own persona

previously drive wira and perdana

Proton car, sini bunyi sana bunyi, bunyi bunyi everywhere.

but i don't really care because i am driving, not like i am studying for exam and i need a quiet environment. turn on the radio and you can hardly hear any noise liao but normally i don't on radio anyway.

for the 10+ years of driving proton car. i got these problem

wira (year 1997)
1) power window failed 2x.
2) gearbox failed 1x Jerking jerking onli. not breakdown. it aged nearly 10 years that time. family car
3) engine top overhaul when aged 11.
4) alternator kong <- tis one workshop problem. no check properly
5) brake oil leaking <- tis one workshop problem oso. I told them leaking liao. they check then say no problem arrrr, very perfect. perfect mah arse, after 1 week it suddently leak everything out.

perdana v6 (year roughly 2002 i think)
1) gearbox kong after 7 years old. After intense google-ing can conclude, workshop and my own problem oso. perdana gearbox should change filter more often. they never know anything about the filter.
2) timing gear chip. donno what happen really.
3) aTF fluid completely leak. The workshop problem again. they say they saw liao the hose bengkak during my last service. i ask them why never inform me? they say still can use mar. Hose baru RM20+, towing car RM200+
4) power window failed initially. then found out actually is the rubber sticking the window becase long time no open.

persona (year 2010)
1) battery kong in slightly 1 year +. breakdown in basement parking. workshop no check lagi
2) vibrating noise from air vent.
3) rough aircon compressor. aircon pomen say compressor kong liao. thats like half year ago. but till now still kicking cold.

basically proton have no major problem, it is a very direct problem like this problem you change this part. mostly are because workshop didnt check properly and lack of owner knowledge on car. thats why starting with my own buy persona, i reasearch as much information i can to prevent any breakdown.

compare to some other foreign car, some can't be solve till they sell the car. will i buy proton again, yeah sure I will, for this segment/price range. it's the most affordable good handling car. not to mentioned, cheap parts and service.

N 1 more thing I salute proton is they r very open to critic, no like japanese brand they tend to hide all their defect, rmb last time preve test drive unit tyre pull out? They didnt hide it n even publicly admit it, while when almera test drive unit tyre pull out, they hide it in like 1 day time, and then hide n hide n pretend nothing had happened, tats y u know why their reputation is so good =.="

actually its this too. what do you expect when proton commands like almost half the cars on the roads at a certain period?
surely small issues will escalate very quickly because of the volume. look at roads, those contractors, sayur sellers, taxi drivers. many still using protons. if its really so bad, long ago already the cars cannot jalan or use anymore.

eg. the lexus having brake problems. you wont hear many people talking about it because not many owners. it takes an crowd clapping to be heard. 1 person clapping, nobody hears. and words get passed around real quick with internet.

to be frank, older proton models are plagued with quality issues. recent ones since the... lets see... i believe persona era.
thats about the time proton starts making better cars. if today i'm considering a car purchase, proton i will surely consider if it has something i want.

proton car sux big time laa...dun get one la...pls laa...get vios 2003...cheap n reliable...persona eat fuel like thirsty dinosaur...ancient GB...preve tayar easily kopak...u can google it...some more turbo engine also lazy to move...

how much is ur budget for a new car? u paying cash or loan? better u get old 20years old toyota...the rest of ur money get properties la...or invest in whatever u can invest...

big no to proton...

ya..agree on that..
proton recall their saga flx due to gearbox problem within 1 year after this model come out.
perodua recall their myvi within 1 year too due to electronic power steering problem
but toyota only recall after few years the model are on the road.

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/10...or-fire-hazard/

This post has been edited by shen1716: Mar 29 2013, 09:35 AM

oh I remember this one! the almera drive unit case, nissan quickly hide the story. even requested online websites to remove the pictures!

please go to this page http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/499062

u can here many story about proton...n u can close this thread...

Go ram your car onto a road curb, see how many tires kopak.

This post has been edited by dares: Mar 29 2013, 09:46 AM

my vios 2003 not kopak la...

My cheapo saga ok je.
Of course la after a while there will be minor2 things like door lock cannot go up etc etc. but thats minor. A quick run to SC will solve issue.
If you read the car clubs section and follow the problems at other brand also have many other problems..
After all its man made.The difference is more ppl using proton cos its cheaper and of cos u will hear more complaints.

logic that just make sense.

This post has been edited by riezzien: Mar 29 2013, 09:51 AM

I guess it goes down to handful of lucky Proton. I heard horror stories from friends and families.

But then, used to drive a 1.3 Iswara Aeroback and no issue on anything except for the failed brake pump and the infamous power window issue.

And one tank of petrol could go 600km+.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/499062

u all didnt read this thread kaa? got dedicated thread to discuss proton problem maaa...cant not understand meh?

thats a proton-bashing thread. no point reading such threads, lots of opportunists in there.
if TS really wanna know, better go join a proton-owner's forum. it's much informative there.

thats what this thread about...to bash proton is it? i agree with u...TS should join such forum to understand more...

how can i accept people story mory about their gf/bf/father/mother story about proton without them own a proton?

Generally they produced decent quality of cars, unless u get a lemon.

Given a particular budget, would you buy a Plotong? I know I wouldnt

I am still waiting for my proton to spoil/breakdown after driving it for 1 1/2 years ++.. But last month my sister in law 207 breakdown bcoz battery kong. Her car is newer then my car. Must be a lemon la

i wonder have u ever own a proton car?

proton? bicycle oso i dun have

so those problems u mentioned were based on google? no personal experience?

I saw with my own eyes how a proton car is being manufactured

those problem i mention is in sarcastic way...becos this kind of thread are too many...since our beloved LYN dedicate n pinned 1 topic just for proton probs why don we go to that thread n post it there? is it hard to follow?

if that is what u think, i suggest u to report to the mod about how useless is this topic and request them to close it, come in giving sarcastic opinions will only pollute our beloved LYN forum

like tank..but lightweight enough to give better fc and acceleration compared to the new one.

got 2 myvi (old n new)..perdana v6..pug..used to have satria, saga lmss,perdana se @ my home.
there's no perfect car.
myvi might be reliable..because it's simple..but wont give any driving pleasure.
proton QC might be suck..but will give u a smile(and stability) when driving.
technically all those car own by my bro or parents..but i'm the one who took care of it..send it for maintenance..so i know.

i already paste the ptoron probs link and let TS nkow to close the thread...

i know how u feel bro...
me myself have to take care my own car and my friends car due to he dont know squat about cars... nowdays since he bought a new car it was a relieve since i can focus mainly on my car...

Better FC, yes, but acceleration I think the dugong is better. That said, the old Vios at home is 7 years old, and the dashboard has yet to rattle unless it is on very bad roads. The engine is worn and it idles like a truck, other than that the other parts are still working well, still on the original absorbers

Bought new RM83k, now estimated value at around RM50k I don't think any Korean car can beat that

Downside is, I'd much rather drive my own car than that car even if my car rattles and have poor FC. That car is just so damn dull to drive.

This post has been edited by dares: Mar 29 2013, 10:58 AM

Common sense. You create a thread 'common xxx problem' you'll get all the problems there.

That thread doesn't serve the purpose at all. It should be remove. If want to be fair, create similar thread for other brand and post all their problems in there. You'll get similar response. All problems.

proton is always a no no for me.
buying it just simply support them to make future suck car.

boycott them and they will realize 1 day that their attitude will not last.

2006 Satria Neo owner here, first batch. Crank sensor failed once in 2010 but that's about it. Car is literally pump petrol and drive - has done me no wrong. Of course it's maintained well

I think Proton has gotten the basic quality down, it's just that their QC standards are fairly low, leading to inconsistencies in ownership experience. Quality of fit and finish could be better too, of course - but after seeing the Kia Rio, personally I think it's just about the same, if not just slightly better.

This post has been edited by nerd: Mar 29 2013, 11:04 AM

I drove 3 new Proton from 2009 onwards.

Proton Savvy

The bad :
1. Got the car, paint scratch came from the showroom..
2. Heavy downpour rain water leaks to the cabin light and drops like waterfall to the gearshift stick.
3. Paint so thin that its easily scratched.
4. Service Center SUX since not entertain the 2nd complaint.. (asking me to leave the car for 1 week in SC)
5. After 30k the Clutch feels heavier than Lorry 3 tan.
6. Have to go to Renault Specialist after the free service finished, since most SC don't know how to handle Conti based engine (read: D4F)

The good :

1. Fast and nimble Gokart like handling car.
2. Can tapau a Camry on East coast highway.
3. Top Speed 190 km/h on Gps after De cat and using Open Pod air filter and modified the TDC sensor.

(now use by my niece to go study in UM).

Exora CPS (Malaysia)

The Bad :
1. Out of the box LOUSY pick up due to the ultra stupid calculation CPS engine vs 1.4 Ton exora body.
2. Fuel Pump make sound, goes to COE Service Center in Kesas for claim, they just "Repair it" not even change it, the sound re ocurring after a while. (Changed with help of EOCM help in a normal SC)
3. Power Steering Rubber hose leaks .. (changed with own money as SC mentioned Rubber part not part of WARRANTY)
4. Dashboard rattled just only after 2nd year of ownership.. (but this is expected as Proton without funny2 sound means I am in heaven already).

The good :

1. After pouring in 3k Rm ++ inside the engine. it convert the Sluggish CPS become mivec like behavior. Can toe to toe with Exora Bold in Highway and tailgating Audi Q3/5 (not sure but its Q series) up to genting.
2. Dan syok lotus handling.. (always rembat on kerinchi link corner otw to Office)
3. During my Family gathering, all fam member goes into Exora to go for outing.. (they drove mostly 5 seater car).
4. Aircond Damn sejuk (proton best feature).
5. Good car club community (the biggest in Malaysia) .
6. Always passed Roadblock without much hassle since its a MPV for sake...
7. did i mention lots of space inside the cabin?

Exora CPS (Indonesia)

Got this car when I did the project for a local bank back in 2010/2011 in Jakarta.

The bad :

1. I can't bring it back to Malaysia
2. Less SC in Indon

The Good :

1. MUCH Better build quality compare the exo that I bought in Malaysia and its cheaper.(See above).
2. No complaint so far on the features.
3. Proton Indon apparently have modified their exora with different exhaust system and installed CAI before leaving Showroom and this gives much better response on the CPS especially on the pick-up.
4. Much Better Service Experience, as they listened to your complaint and attend to details and such (which I NEVER experience it in proton after sales service in MY).

There you go.. my experiences related to Proton..

In year 2009 my mom use gen2 1.3. She only use it for 9month maybe. She cant stand anymore la with that car. Pickup just like she push the car not the car bring bring her. The FC is so so bad. Then the body of the easily rusty. Donno why. Maybe cheap white colour. Thats why she change to viva elite. Nice pickup. Better FC . Just the space not big like gen2.

Japanese already make the engine . Proton can not even maintain and take care the QC ?

itu semua fitnah...?

That thread is there to post only you have problems. Of course there are many problems, there are many Proton's out there. But you don't get to hear those without problems, so you can't see if those problems are common or not. That is what this thread is there for.

Proton?

Ever since i was born, my family uses Proton; the original Proton Saga 1.5S Magmavalve, Wira 1.3 1st gen, Wira 1.5 Aeroback, Saga LMST and Waja 1.6.

QC is so-so in terms of fit and finish, but the things that keep u running e.g. engine is reliable. unless you're so cheapskate that u buy unknown tongsampah oil then when rosak complained that Proton give u problem.

I just recently changed the Proton Waja gearbox, as it was already EOL (gear cannot be put in already, be it D or R). mind you that was around 480,000 kilometers. and last week i sent it for overhaul as the car has white smoke already. and that is around 510,000 kilometers.

so to sum up, protons are pretty reliable, just that they should hire more Japanese QC or hire QC auditors like T.U.V. just like during the Proton Savvy 1st gen.

This post has been edited by cloudstrife07: Mar 29 2013, 01:21 PM

Which recent proton model still use Japanese engine beside the lancer celup?

i dont usually post in FnF
and never check this thread got how many pages already.

as per the title, every manufacturing/production has defects thus yield would not be 100%.

so what i would say base on observation (perhaps facts)
proton seems to have high defects per production.


means that.. not that other car maker never produce bad car (i've seen complaint about accord b4)

just that the chances to get defective car is higher with proton as off today. perhaps in 55 more yrs.. it'll be better who knows?

how bad is proton? refer to that thread also knowing how bad proton is...n there are many thread similar to this thread...hehehe

yayaya proton is bad...

I see lots of people complaining their Toyota or Honda is not reliable. This broken, that broken, poor fit and finish. So Toyota and Honda are unreliable crap too, right? You don't seem to understand what I tried to say. You have to see the percentage of problematic vs problem free cars. Can't do that in a thread that only looks for people with problems.

From what I see in my family, those who drive a Proton and take care of it, they don't have problems, or only few ones (the only Proton that does give problems had a serious crash early on, since then problems pop up). However those cheapskate Proton owners... never fix the car when something is broken, unless it can't move, never service properly, etc., yes, they do have problems. But treat a Toyota like that and it'll also give you constant problems.

I guess Proton buyers tend to not really care about their car (at least to a higher proportion), they try to save a few pennies here and there, go to lousy but cheap workshops etc. That would ruin every car.

but think the other way, by boycotting them, we are buying highly taxed imported cars, where the enormous tax is paying back to proton to survive.. u get my point?

Bro...si Daniel John was being sarcastic

sarcasm isnt helpful and there's simply too much of it, ruining LYN forums
most people read threads randomly, and sarcastic posts will just mislead others.

i think car is decent but qc is not.
i can try to understand that material could be sub par for either profit or crony, afterall i pay less.

but i really cannot tahan here rattle and there loose, fix this and that come, etc.

maybe luck plays a factor to your proton purchase outcome.

i drive a stock auto sedan full spec persona as a daily cari makan ride..

plus in once a month i ... sometime i errrrrrr you can refer my siggy

so far so good.. nothing serious. touchwood

blame yourself for being not bright enough to understand sarcasm.

some dont even get me trolling

The imported cars are taxed for the most part the same as local cars. 75% for ASEAN produced as well as local cars. Most of the common models are ASEAN produced. CKD is taxed 10% higher, CBU a bit more than that. So really not much difference. Also the tax is not going back to Proton to survive, it is going to the government. They then can use it to pay for the health care system maybe, or for petrol subsidies, or for their own pockets, ...

Hm. I associated Daniel John with those Proton bashers who mean it. Not with those who are simply sarcastic. Too many users here, gets confusing. Really there is too much trolling and sarcasm going on here...

This post has been edited by durianpuff: Mar 29 2013, 04:51 PM

I think the newer proton models has improved a lot since the wira days. I had a wira aeroback which I have to change the power windows seven times, the headlights and the front signal lights like to pop out once in a while. The trunk will get flooded during heavy rain. That's why they have a cap to drain the water out !

My sister got a preve couple of months ago and i never hear her complain. The preve actually drives and handle very well. The only think i cannot stand about proton, is the service centres which has yet to improve.

Buy Ferrari then!

599 GTB


458 Italia


458 Italia


599 GTB


F430


Enzo

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Mar 29 2013, 08:40 PM

Hahaha, ok don't buy exotics then, just buy normal Japanese cars.

join Hyundai forum and you can see how bad Hyundais are
join chevrolet forum and you can see how bad chevvys are
same thing with Suzuki, italian marques etc.......
Look at survey.org, look at the volvos....

I see no difference between proton and the other cars. I've owned 3 protons in my life and 1 mazda and 1 ford.

Get a good service center to address your issues and you will be fine....

+1

Malaysia car made by human, same as other country. Maybe Malaysia still weak on something, but what we expect for? People just forget in other country when a new automotive car opening they sure weak in something. And they learn from their wrong, that how they success.

If you lived in Selangor, I'd suggest u go to Intan Matang SC at Shah Alam. Pretty good i'd tell you. cheaper from others too. also can bring own oil.

based on own experience and family car.

1. Perdana 1995-2000 - Manual transmission. First batch perdana got MT. Colour was some sort of dark purple.
-After getting car noticed that the AC direction for head also come out at feet, change whatever you want, AC still come out at head. No idea why. Brought to SC, they cannot fix. Expected since bought the car the same week it was launched. SC pomen not trained yet. However after trained, still cannot fix. They say inherent problem to the car.
- few years down proton recall because of suspension problem, so that replacement part was free. No problems detected in daily usage.
- One time a katak entered the car while wearing shoe in car (late for school). The katak jump into front driver pedal area and disappear. Later AC smell very bad. Bring to SC, they found katak already dead and stuck to AC belt
- After 3 years, front bumper twist at joint area just below the front lights. Inherent problem to all Perdana's. Front bumper too heavy causing the twist.

Sold car in 2000 after:
- hujan lebat at east coast-spare tyre become aquarium. Rear seat become wet the moment you apply pressure.
- Also, if you open AC after turn on car, the car sound like one kind of elephant. Only present for first 10 mins. However, if turn on AC after 15 mins moving, no sound. SC say the AC fan got a small chip, causing sound. AC wise, nothing wrong.

2. Proton Savvy 2004-2006 (MT)
- bought this cause Myvi and picanto long waiting list. Savvy can own within a month.
- Only problem, from showroom, if you want to drive straight, need to angle steering at 11 O'clock. Brought to SC and that was corrected instantly. No problems there.
-Sold in 2006 because I don't actually use a car in the first place. Only use motor for work. Car only needed for transportation for goods for job earlier. Unused.

3. Proton Perdana V6 (2008-)
- No major problems with the car except it is under used since using Accord. As a result, the car battery keeps dieing.
- Front passenger window not working.
- Compared with the first perdana, aside from the leather seats, upgraded HUD, the car layout is pretty much the same.
- That twisting at the front bumper exists after 3 years.
- Some sort of black sponge coming out of AC vent, no idea what this is.

TS, if you want to buy a Proton car, buy model that is at least 1 year old. Like Preve, can buy now. Safe bet. If buy early, SC cannot service, since they have no idea how to service. Also, the problems with first batch all solve with time. By the time any model get FL, problem all solved with original design, so safer bet. Also, buy a car not that old in its life. The original Perdana lasted until Inspira which is a very long time.


Will I buy a proton again? Yes, if Inspira. Not sure if Preve. Why not, SC everywhere, can pick and choose.

Will it be a MT car? Maybe not. Road now jam, unlike 10 years ago. Less fun when driving since always stop-go traffic. Want to drive long distance during raya also jam. Also, aside from the "new" Satria R3, all other MT cars have less accessories/spec compared to the AT model.

If I got tons of cash, will I choose different car?
Yes. However, if have expensive car park at house - magnet for thieves. Better buy proton

proton iswara since 2000,nothing wrong with the car except AC..plan to get new car,preve/inspira 1 choice since it fall between my budjet

buy any bentley or maserati if ferrari and lambo got reliability issue
so many choice out there
i wonder when one buying a exotic car what is he thinking

This post has been edited by edison1437: Mar 30 2013, 11:06 AM

Maserati:


Bentley:




Ok, maybe at least the Bentley didn't spontaneously started to burn (people mad at the owner cause he used up 3 (!) parking spots). But with Lambo and Ferrari it is known that they may spontaneously burst into flames. Owner parks the car, goes away, comes back and all that is left is a bit of burnt rubber, plastic, leather and metal. Or it may happen while driving. Maserati probably has the same issue. And so does Tata...



Happens to Proton too it seems, though not as frequent (look at how many Protons are out there, vs. Ferraris, and see how many Protons caught fire, vs Ferraris.

http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/...aught-fire-kepp

And don't say Toyota...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/driveon/2012...recall/1624003/
Camry and Yaris (Vios) also affected. Did they issue an recall here...? 7.43 million cars affected, sold world wide, so probably here too...

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Mar 30 2013, 12:02 PM

Are you trying to say Protons are better than others?

Nah, just that you can't say Proton is very bad and others are flawless. Which one is worse I don't know. Would have to make bigger surveys where all car owners will participate. And even then the question remains how much people care for their car... If it is cheap they probably care less.

Maybe we should talk how bad is Toyota

Vios:




Overall Toyota issue: Defect on Pedal sudden acceleration



http://www.wpri.com/dpp/news/12_for_action...edal-settlement

This post has been edited by b48753: Mar 30 2013, 02:36 PM

You shouldn't blame cars for idiotic drivers, unless the handling is really too bad to keep the car under control under normal situations.


It's not the Skoda's fault that the driver went way too fast, left the road, went over a small ramp/hill and flew 7 meters high into a Church.

proton is a car, just like any car manufacture.

try not to blame proton, the part are made by vendor and subvendor...proton only assemble it...

how the thing happen to low quality coz of the vendor want to cut cost on material buying and use cheap material and keep recycle the material....sell it at the same price as high grade material...

however whenever proton detect reject it will be sent back to vendor for replacement and still vendor will smuggle those reject among the approve one into proton...

When buying a Proton.

Do not rush your salesman to get your car delivery in a ridiculous time frame.

All rushed order will skipped QC part from QC site at Sijangkang, Banting.

Trust me...