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Samurai X
post Apr 1 2013, 07:21 AM

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My previous Proton Waja auto lasted for 10 years without any major problem. Except minor wear and tear.
And power window only changed twice on different door. Just imagine the constant 6k revving almost every day without any
engine problem occurred.
I could say some Proton model is quite robust and reliable but the overall QC and maybe after sales service is not up to the mark.


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post Apr 1 2013, 07:41 AM

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Proton honestly for when I am Living in kampong or small town.
I don't think the car is bad or lack quality.
Cause what? Earning less income and affordable in budget also less.

If come to town or city he he, after everyone can affordable more expansive car, do you will skip for proton?
Once a little bit rattle is cant tahan at all, becoz of what I can afford much better car on my higher salary paid in town..

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post Apr 1 2013, 10:57 AM

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im working in the automotive sector...

actually, all manufacturer got a same language, heard ISO? SIRIM?
yeah, they implemented ISO/TS16949 standard for automotive manufacturing,
plus QS9000 (EU Standard), TPS (toyota), plus all good benchmarking program
from various giant automotive manufacturer only to get better quality, good product.

they are no different in the quality language between these manufacturer is malaysia,
so you all cant say proton dont have a good Quality management (i know it, im in this business). but...this is the main culprit in the national automotive sector...POLITICS.
this is the thing that bring proton down. everybody want to make money for thier own greed pockets without thinking of customers satisfaction.

our company got records, cheats by suppliers by changing thier material spec (low spec) without approval and become major issues. so the end customer (car buyer)
feel the pain. the system was there. but we leak in control them. this is what actually happen...and we are improving it time by time. well, 'malaysia boleh' is always give a bad image compare to good.
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post Apr 1 2013, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(joefbi @ Apr 1 2013, 10:57 AM)
im working in the automotive sector...

actually, all manufacturer got a same language, heard ISO? SIRIM?
yeah, they implemented ISO/TS16949 standard for automotive manufacturing,
plus QS9000 (EU Standard), TPS (toyota), plus all good benchmarking program
from various giant automotive manufacturer only to get better quality, good product.

they are no different in the quality language between these manufacturer is malaysia,
so you all cant say proton dont have a good Quality management (i know it, im in this business). but...this is the main culprit in the national automotive sector...POLITICS.
this is the thing that bring proton down. everybody want to make money for thier own greed pockets without thinking of customers satisfaction.

our company got records, cheats by suppliers by changing thier material spec (low spec) without approval and become major issues. so the end customer (car buyer)
feel the pain. the system was there. but we leak in control them. this is what actually happen...and we are improving it time by time. well, 'malaysia boleh' is always give a bad image compare to good.
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Thanks for sharing. Is the time to change and improve rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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post Apr 1 2013, 12:01 PM

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it's the old man's pet project... he said cannot change means cannot.
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post Apr 1 2013, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(joefbi @ Apr 1 2013, 10:57 AM)
feel the pain. the system was there. but we leak in control them. this is what actually happen...and we are improving it time by time. well, 'malaysia boleh[U]' is always give a bad image compare to good.
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This is true. Average Malaysians are terrible bunch to manage. Like to do work/tasks with a "tidak apa" attitude.
Last time I had to ask-leave some workers because of this. Quality of work compromised because of their bloody attitude.
You insist on maintaining high standards of work quality, they give you that "why you so demanding?" face...
So ask yourself, are you willing to do quality work? If yourself not willing, then we cant blame others for not doing quality work too. sad.gif
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post Apr 1 2013, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(durianpuff @ Apr 1 2013, 12:07 PM)
This is true. Average Malaysians are terrible bunch to manage. Like to do work/tasks with a "tidak apa" attitude.
Last time I had to ask-leave some workers because of this. Quality of work compromised because of their bloody attitude.
You insist on maintaining high standards of work quality, they give you that "why you so demanding?" face...
So ask yourself, are you willing to do quality work? If yourself not willing, then we cant blame others for not doing quality work too.  sad.gif
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Haha.... I would like to add one more phrase they always say out: "If you don't like, go to buy others" ...

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post Apr 1 2013, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(durianpuff @ Apr 1 2013, 12:07 PM)
You insist on maintaining high standards of work quality, they give you that "why you so demanding?" face...
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Maybe because they were payed peanuts? Kidding bro wink.gif
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post Apr 1 2013, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(azfamy @ Apr 1 2013, 12:42 PM)
Maybe because they were payed peanuts? Kidding bro wink.gif
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you'll be suprised. executives also this kinda attitude.
really disappointing sad.gif
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post Apr 1 2013, 03:07 PM

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actually, nowadays proton not so bad la..almost all car got problem..
the most important is u take a good care of your car..
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post Apr 2 2013, 12:15 AM

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proton is ok la ..but still is and will always be low class car to drive
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post Apr 2 2013, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(Darkcity212 @ Apr 2 2013, 12:15 AM)
proton is ok la ..but still is and will always be low class car to drive
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that is because our mindset
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post Apr 2 2013, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(durianpuff @ Apr 1 2013, 02:37 PM)
you'll be suprised. executives also this kinda attitude.
really disappointing  sad.gif
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Right! The foreman root to us is because their executives don't know how to educate them. Same to all organization. If you hit the bad boss, means the staff will not be so good as well in most of the cases.


But, I think now they improve a lot as few of our potong owners mentioned. I believe. So we should give chance.
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post Apr 2 2013, 10:46 AM

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i never had any problem that u all mention here with my proton...
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i never had any problem that u all mention here with my proton...
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post Apr 2 2013, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(Daniel John @ Apr 2 2013, 10:46 AM)
i never had any problem that u all mention here with my proton...
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Fair to potong. Some of us telling very old stories. I haven't go back to potong since 8 yrs ago.

But for sure I heard about service maintenance still quite expensive for potong nowadays.
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post Apr 2 2013, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(bennedict82 @ Apr 2 2013, 10:48 AM)
Fair to potong. Some of us telling very old stories. I haven't go back to potong since 8 yrs ago.

But for sure I heard about service maintenance still quite expensive for potong nowadays.
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this is my 1st proton anyway and the only proton at home...im not telling u other peoples car story...hehehe..
service maintenance? still cheap...even major service... tongue.gif according to my pocket...
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QUOTE(reshbala @ Apr 2 2013, 10:23 AM)
that is because our mindset
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post Apr 2 2013, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(bennedict82 @ Apr 2 2013, 10:48 AM)
Fair to potong. Some of us telling very old stories. I haven't go back to potong since 8 yrs ago.

But for sure I heard about service maintenance still quite expensive for potong nowadays.
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ok, since most of u here is telling about old stories, let me tell u a not really old one. waja cps model. the rear light set, all the socket can easily get burn and melt after 3-4 years. have to change to aftermarket set ones (the whole light), since original ones not last long. never heard this rare problem from other manufs. the front lip that chrome color, is actually plastic. i never mind about plasticky, but mine has been broke at the joints and have to change to new. it was easily broken because there's where u hold on to when u open up the front hood. and u cannot simply change to 16" rims, tire will torn apart the inner plastic wheel arch. have to do some modifications. the spare tyre's compartment can be flooded with rainwater after ur rear light broke just now and affect the waterproofing. anybody still expect pipu still trust proton? waja cps is not really an old model bro.. they should have learn from earlier waja.. (if earlier waja dont hav the probs, then situation is even worst!)
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post Apr 2 2013, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(bennedict82 @ Apr 2 2013, 10:48 AM)
Fair to potong. Some of us telling very old stories. I haven't go back to potong since 8 yrs ago.

But for sure I heard about service maintenance still quite expensive for potong nowadays.
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my very old proton also gave me very less problem other than the fuel gauge not accurate laugh.gif

QUOTE(azzry @ Apr 2 2013, 11:50 AM)
ok, since most of u here is telling about old stories, let me tell u a not really old one. waja cps model. the rear light set, all the socket can easily get burn and melt after 3-4 years. have to change to aftermarket set ones (the whole light), since original ones not last long. never heard this rare problem from other manufs. the front lip that chrome color, is actually plastic. i never mind about plasticky, but mine has been broke at the joints and have to change to new. it was easily broken because there's where u hold on to when u open up the front hood. and u cannot simply change to 16" rims, tire will torn apart the inner plastic wheel arch. have to do some modifications. the spare tyre's compartment can be flooded with rainwater after ur rear light broke just now and affect the waterproofing. anybody still expect pipu still trust proton? waja cps is not really an old model bro.. they should have learn from earlier waja.. (if earlier waja dont hav the probs, then situation is even worst!)
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if the rear light broke ofcoz rain water can go in ma sweat.gif

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