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 V10 - Property Prices (Up, Down or .....), and the debate goes on and on and on ...

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post May 25 2013, 10:07 PM

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Interesting Article from Wall Street Journal yesterday...some sort of jealousy? Not sure why they want to pick on Malaysia??

ASIA NEWS Updated May 24, 2013, 2:51 a.m. ET.

Asia Goes on a Debt Binge as Much of World Sobers Up . 
By ALEX FRANGOS in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, and BOB DAVIS in Beijing

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A debt-fueled building boom is under way in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, above. The country says investing in (real estate) industry will result in faster economic growth.

In the heart of Kuala Lumpur lies the abandoned foundation of Plaza Rakyat, a never-built skyscraper and shopping mall. Rusty rebar jutting from concrete pilings and fetid green pools of rainwater serve as an unintended monument to the debt crisis that ravaged Asia in the late 1990s.

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Today, less than a half mile from the abandoned project, the next boom is under way in the Malaysian metropolis. Construction has begun on a new subway line, and next to one station plans call for a 118-story zigzagging skyscraper that would be the third-tallest building in the world. Cheap credit is fueling the building spree. laugh.gif laugh.gif

"We need to have more iconic buildings," says Kuala Lumpur's mayor, Ahmad Phesal Talib. The planned office tower, called Warisan Merdeka, is part of a nationwide wave of development that will add new office buildings, train and subway lines, bridges and factories.

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Recent decades have seen great fluctuations in public and private debt loads around the globe. Watch how global economic forces have affected debt-to-GDP ratios in various countries.

After eschewing credit for years following the 1990s financial crisis, Asia's economies are once again amassing debt to fuel growth. The trend is a stark counterpoint to the debt reduction taking place in the U.S. and Europe. Some economists are growing concerned that the Asian debt revival could eventually trigger another crisis, or at least hinder growth in some of the world's fastest-growing economies.

Few predict an imminent crisis in Asia, and sanguine observers note that rapid economic growth can make debt loads more manageable. Unlike in the 1990s, Asia has for the most part refrained from borrowing in foreign currencies, which can bring trouble if local currencies lose value.

Borrowing has increased all across the continent. State-owned companies and local governments in China are taking on more debt, as are motor-scooter buyers in Indonesia, washing-machine purchasers in Thailand and real-estate investors in Singapore and Hong Kong. Malaysia's government has borrowed to fund the new subway and to pay for cash handouts to citizens.

Debt loads in Asia's emerging economies—gauged by public and private debt as a percentage of gross domestic product—now exceed what they were in 1997, when Asia went into a financial crisis that lasted for several years. Much of the run-up has come over the last four years. The overall debt-to-GDP ratio rose to 155% in mid-2012, from 133% in 2008, according to the most recent data from McKinsey Global Institute, a unit of consulting firm McKinsey & Co.

China, the world's second-largest economy, has led the borrowing binge. China's debt-to-GDP rose to 183% in mid-2012, from 153% in 2008, according to McKinsey. Some economists, including Nomura Holdings Inc.'s 8604.TO -1.14% Zhiwei Zhang, say China's debt-to-GDP ratio has risen higher and faster, to above 200%, based on government data that more fully incorporate nontraditional "shadow" lending institutions such as trust companies, which operate in parallel to the mainstream banking system.

Increased borrowing by state-backed companies and local governments has some economists and Chinese officials worrying that China could see defaults, or a further slowdown in growth as its economy digests the debt. Economic problems in China have the potential to ripple to its neighbors in Asia and beyond.

"China's financial system is still fragile and vulnerable," says Yu Yongding, a Chinese economist who has served as an adviser to China's central bank. "I don't think there will be a financial crisis at the moment, but there are a host of land mines ahead."

There is no simple rule of thumb for how much debt is too much. Economists contend that large developed economies with sophisticated credit markets are capable of sustaining higher debt levels—both public and private—than developing nations. From 2008 to mid-2012, the debt-to-GDP ratio in the U.S. dropped from 367% to 346% as businesses and consumers paid down debt—but still leaving debt levels far higher than in emerging Asia.

What has grabbed the attention of economists is the pace of credit growth in Asia.

Asia's banks and credit markets are more developed than they were in the 1990s. Economists believe such improvements enable economies to sustain higher debt levels without hampering growth. When used sensibly, credit can help countries invest more in factories, roads and other infrastructure, which can spur growth.

"It's OK to keep on increasing your debt. You need to keep growing your economy," says Idris Jala, a Malaysian government minister charged with economic transformation. The bigger the economy, the more debt it can carry, he says. Although he acknowledges that Malaysia's debts have increased, he says they are "still not as alarming as many other countries."

In years past, however, some rapid and sustained increases in credit have foreshadowed debt crises. In Europe, increases in debt—some public, some private—proved unsustainable and led to the current economic problems there.

"You don't want to demonize credit booms per se, but it's a red flag," says Giovanni Dell'Ariccia, an International Monetary Fund economist who has studied 40 years of such debt buildups. Mr. Dell'Ariccia and his colleagues have found that credit booms—defined as rapid increases in credit-to-GDP ratios—end in crises about one-third of the time. Another one-third result in below-par growth in ensuing years. In the rest of the cases, growth continues at the same pace or faster.

Following the financial crisis of the late 1990s, Asian nations became known for high savings rates and prudent financial management. They relied on manufacturing and exports to drive growth. Until 2007, private-sector debt grew at roughly the same pace as the economy in Asia.

The financial crisis prompted the U.S. Federal Reserve to cut interest rates to record lows. Asian central banks slashed rates, too. Consumers and businesses in Asia, unlike those in the U.S. where the economy was weaker, were eager to borrow.

A crisis-induced decline in global trade caused economic growth to slow in Asia. But when growth picked up again, Asian central banks were reluctant to increase interest rates aggressively. Foreign investors further fueled the Asian economy by shifting money from slow-growth regions such as the U.S., Japan and Europe to Asian stock and bond markets.

The result: Credit has been unusually cheap in Asia, and nations have been using more of it to fuel growth. So-called developing Asia—which doesn't include more advanced nations such as Japan and South Korea—notched 8.2% annual growth, on average, between 2010 and 2012, according to the IMF. The world's developed economies, in aggregate, grew 1.9% a year over that period.

China's government announced a 4 trillion yuan ($645 billion at today's exchange rate) stimulus program in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis. Chinese banks increased lending by 33% in 2009, up from 15% average annual growth over the previous six years. Between 2008 and 2010, when much of the world was in recession or recovering slowly, China's GDP grew by 9.7% a year.

Even after the global danger had passed, credit in China continued growing faster than GDP. With exports no longer driving the economy as much, credit expansion has become a key ingredient to growth.

When China tried to slow credit growth in early 2010, the economic growth rate fell as well. Quarterly GDP growth dropped nearly without interruption for 10 consecutive quarters through the third quarter of 2012. Six months after lending started to increase again in April 2012, quarterly GDP growth—on a year-over-year basis—picked up again.

"Last year showed you can't slow credit growth in the economy or economic growth will slow more rapidly," says Charlene Chu, senior director of Fitch Ratings Inc. in Beijing. China's GDP growth slipped in the first quarter to 7.7%, from 7.9% in the final quarter of 2012.

In central Hunan Province, home of fiery food and Mao Zedong, a government-owned highway company called Hunan Expressway went on a road-building spree. By the end of 2015, Hunan, roughly the size of Minnesota, expects to have more than 4,000 miles of highways.

To pay for it, Hunan Expressway amassed 174 billion yuan in debt as of last September, mostly bank loans, doubling its 2009 debt level. Despite an increase in drivers, toll revenues haven't covered loan payments. The company recently issued one-year bonds to cover the gap. In a February report, China Lianhe Credit Rating Co. highlighted cash-flow problems.

In a written statement, Hunan Expressway said it hasn't had any overdue loans and has enjoyed good credit ratings. "The overall repayment risks are controllable," it said.

In the mid-2000s, state-owned shipping giant China Cosco Holdings Co. 601919.SH +0.29%grew rapidly by buying and chartering ships. When the financial crisis hit, shipping rates collapsed, a glut of shipping capacity developed, and revenue fell sharply. The company borrowed from state-owned banks and sold corporate bonds, which allowed it to avoid layoffs. Total debt rose to 123.5 billion yuan in 2012, from 85.2 billion yuan in 2009.

Cosco is "controlled by the Chinese central government," says Barclays BARC.LN -1.38%analyst Jon Windham. "The hand of the market that would normally force a company to get smaller is just not there."

Some economists contend that China's debt problems are isolated and won't infect the general economy. They say the central government has a relatively low government-debt-to-GDP ratio of about 20%, giving it plenty of firepower to bail out ailing enterprises.

In Malaysia, growth has hovered around 5% for the past two years, despite weak exports. Households have been gorging on credit-card debt and mortgages, and developers have been snapping up bank loans.

Malaysia's debt-to-GDP ratio rose to 242% in mid-2012, from 192% in 2008, according to McKinsey. The run-up includes a steady increase in government debt and debt to government-linked companies.

Mr. Idris, the government minister charged with economic transformation, says: "We don't want investment for the sake of throwing around money. We want to direct investment in places where we have an advantage." Among the industries where more investment will make Malaysia more competitive, he says, are oil, gas, financial services and high-tech manufacturing. Such spending will result in faster growth and higher incomes, which will enable the country to pay off its accumulating debt, he says.

Kuala Lumpur last boomed in the 1980s and 1990s. Blistering growth back then in Southeast Asia's so-called tiger economies ended in a debt-fueled crisis. Malaysia was hard hit. Its currency plunged and businesses failed. The economy shrank 7% in 1998. Construction projects such as Plaza Rakyat were abandoned (until today).

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Plaza Rakyat was in the news few days ago pending a revival scheme. Abandoned since 1997, the landmark tower was supposed to be the world's 7th tallest tower designed by S.O.M. when completed in 2000. Official Plaza Rakyat forum is at http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=290375.

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Malaysia rebounded in the 2000s thanks to export growth. Now, with exports slumping, the government is pouring money into big capital projects.

The Mass Rapid Transit Corp., a subsidiary of the Ministry of Finance, is building the first half of a planned 60-mile subway system in Kuala Lumpur, to be financed with $10 billion of bonds. Although many residents and economists think a bigger system will benefit the city's economy, critics worry that taxpayers might eventually get saddled with the debt. A monorail project built in the 1990s under a similar structure required a public bailout in 2001.


The Malaysian government is pushing for the construction of new office buildings across Kuala Lumpur and using government resources to fund them. Yet office vacancy rates in the city already exceed 20%, the highest level since 2003, according to government statistics reported by CEIC Data.

State-run Permodalan Nasional Berhad, a government investment manager, is the developer of the Warisan skyscraper, which is projected to have as much space as the Empire State Building. The PNB plans to use the tower to house companies it owns, which would empty space elsewhere.

A few miles away, construction has started on Tun Razak Exchange, with more than a (two) dozen towers planned. 1Malaysia Development Berhad, a government investment entity spearheading the project, says it has investors from Abu Dhabi. It recently issued nearly $4 billion in bonds.

There is even talk about reviving the abandoned Plaza Rakyat project.

The city's mayor, Mr. Ahmad, says the goal is to attract 100 new multinationals, stealing business from nearby Singapore.

He dismisses concerns about the high vacancy rate. "It's decided by the government," he says. "We need to provide these types of very premier office space."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412...0476172420.html
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More Problems

On top of the debt problem, we have illicit financial outflow problem.

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The central bank says it is mainly caused by trade mispricing and exchange losses, while the opposition lawmakers believe that part of the outflows are actually unrecorded money derived from mass corruption or illegal practices parked in a safe-haven/overseas like the Sarawak scandal revealed by Global Witness/Al-Jazeera/BBC recently.

And another thing is the Malaysian government (and individuals) are busy buying expensive assets overseas, particularly in the UK.

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You know what?

Ringgit is being transferred abroad to service British/international loans by European bankers at the expense of domestic coffers. Buying profitable companies in UK (not Lotus, not Queens Park Rangers not Millennium Dome) is a big YES (such as Wessex Water), but buying those old buildings is really a waste of money... my view.

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Lastly, what the hell are we getting from Africa?

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QUOTE(tikaram @ May 25 2013, 11:13 AM)
Malaysia’s ruling Barisan Nasional (national front) coalition that was returned to power in this month’s election
 faces some serious economic problems, notably the country’s poor export performance.
Exports have shrunk in the last two months in response to weakening global demand that has also hit other Asian exporters. But unlike its rivals, Malaysia faces a more deep-rooted export challenge – a serious decline in the export role of its manufacturers that has been partly masked by increases in commodity exports. Chart of the week takes a look.
Malaysia exports dropped by an annual rate of 0.8 per cent and 0.9 per cent in the 12-months to February and March, after 33 months of uninterrupted growth. Exports of machinery and transport equipment contracted by 2.1 per cent in the 12 months to March compared to same period the previous year, while the exports of mineral fuels expanded by over 10 per cent.

Source: FT data
The value of mineral fuels exports is about double what it was in 2007; it now accounts for over 20 per cent of all exports, up from 13 per cent in 2007 and just 6 per cent at the beginning of last decade.
It’s not just the boost of strong oil prices boosting export values: Malaysian gas exports expanded 10 per cent in the 12 months to December last year in volume terms.
Meanwhile, exports of machinery and transport equipment are down 14 per cent on 2007. The share of machineries and transport equipment in total exports has plunged from a peak of 63 per cent at the start of the last decade to 38 per cent in March.
The declining importance of machinery in Malaysia’s exports could hamper the nation’s ability to increase output per head, graduate to the ranks higher-income countries, and so escape the so-called “middle income trap”
According to the Asia Development Bank, countries get stuck in the middle-income trap when they fail to make the leap
 from the exploitation of cheap labour and natural resources to producing and exporting more technologically advanced products, and developing innovation.
In some other resources-rich states, a recent rise oin the primary commodities’ share of exports in the last decade, has mostly been driven by Chinese demand. Brazil is a good example. 
So are some African countries
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But China is not the main reason for the shift in Malaysia.
Indeed, the total value of Malaysian machinery exports to China has almost doubled since 2009, and China is now Malaysia’s number one market for manufactured products, followed by Singapore and the US. This change is very significant given that in 2007, Malaysia’s machinery exports to China were only one third as big as its machinery exports to the US.
The 2008 global crisis was a watershed. Malaysia’s total exports to the US – the country’s largest market until the end of 2007 – dropped by more than half from their peak in August 2006 to their low in February 2009 and they never fully recovered. As about 60 per cent of Malaysia exports to the US are composed of machinery, the effects hit the whole manufacturing sector.
Meanwhile, the main customer for Malaysia’s growing mineral fuel exports is not China but Japan.
Japan was looking to diversify sources of energy
, to reduce its dependence on the Middle East.
The process was of seeking out new energy suppliers accelerated after the Fukushima nuclear disaster which encouraged Tokyo to import more liquefied natural gas mostly from south east Asia.
As a result, Malaysia was, after Russia, the fastest-growing of Japan’s top 10 mineral fuel suppliers between 2007 and the 12 months to March this year. Over that time Malaysia became the 8th largest supplier of mineral fuels to Japan, up from 11thposition.
Some countries modernise and reach high-income levels by boosting services, including the export of services, as both Singapore and Hong Kong have done.
But Malaysia’s weakness in manufacturing exports is not offset by strength in services. A recent World Bank paper – “How to Avoid Middle Income Traps? 
Evidence from Malaysia” – says a “structural transformation to modernize service trade could pave the way for Malaysia to become a developed country.”
But it warns: “While other developing countries are reaping the benefits of globalization of services, Malaysia has yet to take advantage of this phenomenon.”
Thne incoming government has plenty to think about.

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Doesnt matter bout all this data as long as you feel comfortable and still buying every where. Congratulations.

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post May 26 2013, 02:44 PM

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Errrr......cut & paste??? Tot previously bro acce got shot gao gao for cut & paste???

Now the snipper tasting own med???
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ May 26 2013, 02:44 PM)
Errrr......cut & paste??? Tot previously bro acce got shot gao gao for cut & paste???

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Wah now he is tasting his medicine one after another. I think he hit his head to the wall and forgot what he said last time. He sounds like a totally new person. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(AMINT @ May 26 2013, 03:40 PM)
Wah now he is tasting his medicine one after another. I think he hit his head to the wall and forgot what he said last time. He sounds like a totally new person. tongue.gif
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Check out long missing Dr. Bala, and recently reactivated Mdm. Dirn. Maybe he messed up quite sthg liao.

Paiseh paiseh if I'm not rite.

Anyway, back to topic. I blif the market in kv ll not burst so soon. At least till all gov mega projects finishing or $$$ all spent and no more borrowing to our gov.

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ May 26 2013, 03:59 PM)
Check out long missing Dr. Bala, and recently reactivated Mdm. Dirn. Maybe he messed up quite sthg liao.

Paiseh paiseh if I'm not rite.

Anyway, back to topic. I blif the market in kv ll not burst so soon. At least till all gov mega projects finishing or $$$ all spent and no more borrowing to our gov.
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Those who said market going down south but still busy buying are the strongest believer tht market stronger thn ever. if got doubt, ask tikaram.

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I think people shouldn't label themselves "down" or "up" camp. It puts ourselves in a non flexible situation. Regardless, of a lousy or a good economy, there are hidden gems to be uncovered. In short whether we are in the "down" or "up" camp, we will always look for good value investing. And people should not be bothered about how many properties other people buy - its dependent on the amount of resource that they have. This is a neutral's point of view and is not meant to offend anybody. I hope everybody cool down and just have fun sharing and learning something new from each other. I don't think property investment is a zero sum game. icon_rolleyes.gif

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In property, there is up and down and nobody (not even any guru) is an expert to predict when what will happen at one time or future.

Everybody just need to continue learning, learning and learning. In the meantime, sharing is awesome too!


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QUOTE(tigana @ May 26 2013, 11:20 PM)
I think people shouldn't label themselves "down" or "up" camp. It puts ourselves in a non flexible situation. Regardless, of  a lousy or a good economy, there are hidden gems to be uncovered. In short whether we are in the "down" or "up" camp, we will always look for good value investing. And people should not be bothered about how many properties other people buy - its dependent on the amount of resource that they have. This is a neutral's point of view and is not meant to offend anybody. I hope everybody cool down and just have fun sharing and learning something new from each other. I don't think property investment is a zero sum game. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Actually I feel that it is the DDD camp that is unhappy with the current property market. Why unhappy ? I think it is either they cannot afford, or they still live in the past and refuse to accept the fact that prices have increased to another level. So they complain a lot. Some also feel they miss the boat and a sense of being left out make them "wish" the market will crash soon so that they can catch the boat. Some wish to see those who made money previously suffer a bit. I guess that seeing people suffer will make them feel better after being left behind so much

Some of the DDD camp actually accepted the reality and start buying. Maybe they have climbed the corporate ladder and can afford buying property now. So they don't complain as hard as before. Some feel it is better to take a late bus, then never board a bus. So, it is very obvious they complain less in this thread now. But because of their previous DDD stand they took, they have to think of all sort of excuses to justify they contradiction. I predict very soon, these type of people will disappear in this thread and became more active in the specific property thread

On the other hand, The BBB camp usually are people who can afford and invested quite a bit (some over what they can afford) and don't want the party to stop. Their stake are high and real. Unlike the DDD camp, although they don't make money, they also dont carry the risk of losing money. So, they won't lose anything if the market crash. Therefore, it is perfectly normal when the DDD camp say the bubble is going to crash, they get agitated. Because they may lose a lot of money. Some may even face bankruptcy if the bubble really burst. So, it is understandable their reply is biased. Some are property agent, so we can expect the content of their reply too

Anyhow, I still think this thread is relevant. We can see the POV from both sides. And a lot of useful data, reference and links thumbup.gif

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Actually I feel that it is the DDD camp that is unhappy with the current property market. Why unhappy ? I think it is either they cannot afford, or they still live in the past and refuse to accept the fact that prices have increased to another level. So they complain a lot. Some also feel they miss the boat and a sense of being left out make them "wish" the market will crash soon so that they can catch the boat. Some wish to see those who made money previously suffer a bit. I guess that seeing people suffer will make them feel better after being left behind so much

Some of the DDD camp actually accepted the reality and start buying. Maybe they have climbed the corporate ladder and can afford buying property now. So they don't complain as hard as before. Some feel it is better to take a late bus, then never board a bus. So, it is very obvious they complain less in this thread now. But because of their previous DDD stand they took, they have to think of all sort of excuses to justify they contradiction. I predict very soon, these type of people will disappear in this thread and became more active in the specific property thread

On the other hand, The BBB camp usually are people who can afford and invested quite a bit (some over what they can afford) and don't want the party to stop. Their stake are high and real. Unlike the DDD camp, although they don't make money, they also dont carry the risk of losing money. So, they won't lose anything if the market crash. Therefore, it is perfectly normal when the DDD camp say the bubble is going to crash, they get agitated. Because they may lose a lot of money. Some may even face bankruptcy if the bubble really burst. So, it is understandable their reply is biased. Some are property agent, so we can expect the content of their reply too

Anyhow, I still think this thread is relevant. We can see the POV from both sides. And a lot of useful data, reference and links  thumbup.gif
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What about 3rd group of ppl who strongly declared himself fr ddd camp but at the same time, non stop keep buying. You know who I meant. Any explaination? My only thinking is that he is too nervous with the market. Mr tic tac, r u there?

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In property, there is up and down and nobody (not even any guru) is an expert to predict when what will happen at one time or future.

Everybody just need to continue learning, learning and learning. In the meantime, sharing is awesome too!
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THIS?

Focus: Property prices ‘spiralling out of control’? http://www.nst.com.my/red/focus-property-p...ontrol-1.285449

UP OR DOWN?: Mohd Ikhram talks about the various factors affecting house prices after Moody’s raised concerns about our “spiralling property prices”

Last week, international credit rating agency, Moody’s Investors Service, raised concerns about spiralling property prices and high household debt in Malaysia. Moody’s concern was that this might have an adverse impact on the banking sector.
However, Moody admitted that the speculation curbs introduced by the Malaysian government have resulted in the softening of property prices.

Earlier, iProperty.com had reported that CH Williams Talhar & Wong (WTW) expects property prices to rise 10 – 15 per cent this year. This expected growth is better than last year’s performance. The Housing Price Index (HPI) went up by 11.8 per cent in 2012.

If WTW’s prediction is correct, then Moody may have reason to be worried.
The question now is, will prices go up or down?

Speculation curbs

One of the most significant drivers for recent home prices is speculation. In July 2012, iProperty conducted its regular Asia Property Market Sentiment Report.

In this survey, 43 per cent of respondents in Malaysia said they owned more than one property. This loosely translates to 43 per cent of the population owning 86 per cent of the properties.

From this, one can safely assume that speculation is thriving in Malaysia.

Now, it is important to note that affordable housing and checking spiraling prices have become a priority for the Malaysian government.

In Budget 2013, Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak announced an increase in Real Property Gains Tax (RPGT). With effect from January 2013, properties held for two years or less will be subject to 15 per cent RPGT, whilst properties held for more than two years up to five years will be subject to 10 per cent RPGT. Properties held for more than five years will not be subject to RPGT.

In 2011, Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) also lowered the Loan-to-Value (LTV) ratio from 90 to 70 per cent for the purchase of a third property onwards.

The net effect of these curbs is supposed to be a reduction in speculation and cooling down of the market.

Hong Kong and Singapore have instituted similar measures to successfully cool down the market.

From a macro-economic perspective, higher RPGT should stabilise prices. Moody too admits that prices are softening as a result of this.

Demand and supply

Is there a healthy demand for properties in Malaysia?

The current annual household formation in Malaysia is 180,000.

Against this backdrop, the total increase in residential properties between Q4 2011 to Q4 2012 was 72,195 units. This is only 60 per cent of the annual household formation and points to a shortage in supply. Therefore, demand is healthy.

The law of supply and demand states that prices tend to spike when demand is high and supply is low. However, this is generally true in perfect market conditions. Government intervention like the curbs mentioned earlier, can arrest price spikes.

The strongest demand in 2013 will come from the middle-income segment (households earning between RM2,500 – RM7,500 monthly). Developers are starting to focus on this segment and government initiatives like PR1MA will help this segment.

The pressure to make residential property prices more affordable has and will continue to see government intervention. This could mean that we will continue to see a stabilisation of prices.

Although Malaysia is an attractive country for foreign property investors, this group is too small to make a significant impact on property prices. According to Malaysia Property Incorporated (MPI), only 3 per cent of property investors in Malaysia are foreigners.

Lending practices

Moody can take solace in the fact that banks in Malaysia have started tightening their lending practices.

BNM introduced stricter debt service ratio guidelines in 2012 where net instead of gross income of the prospective homebuyer is taken into consideration when approving their housing loans.

This guideline has resulted in tougher home loan approvals. According to CB Richard Ellis (Malaysia), the approval rate in February 2012 was below 50 per cent compared to above 62 per cent in 2008.

Taking into consideration that there is a gross mismatch between property prices and income, the tougher lending practices will make it difficult for a significant proportion of Malaysians to own homes, at least until there is more supply in the RM400,000 and below segment in urban centres.

This would have a negative impact on prices although in the long run, prudent lending practices are good for the whole economy.

Conclusion

There is very strong pressure to curb rising home costs. According to iProperty’s Asia Property Market Sentiment Survey, 90 per cent of Malaysians said that current property prices are unaffordable. In another survey, 74 per cent of Malaysians said they are concerned about rising house prices.

The government has responded to these concerns with fairly laudable measures, namely an increase in RPGT, lower LTV ratios, and increasing the supply of affordable homes. BNM’s tougher debt service ratio guideline has also resulted in more prudent lending.

These initiatives provide some reassurance that house prices may not spiral in 2013 and that we may see more modest growth on average.

Another indicator that property prices may consolidate in 2013 is the decline in gross rental yields. This generally triggers investors to dispose their low-yield investments in favour of higher-yield investments.

Investors buying into the property market will also be reluctant to pay prices that result in low yields. Therefore, pressure for yields to go up may, to some degree, arrest spiraling prices.

Having said that, Moody’s concern about high household debt is real, and we may need to see wages that are more reflective of the present day cost of living but that discussion would be out of the domain of this article.

Read more: Focus: Property prices ‘spiralling out of control’? - RED - New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/red/focus-property-p...9#ixzz2US5MoheU

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More cut & paste bout prop down. More buying???
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More cut & paste bout prop down. More buying???
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Yup. The more he cut & paste, the more he wish market to go down. But he will buy more openly, and not quietly. We must salute him. notworthy.gif
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Yup. The more he cut & paste, the more he wish market to go down. But he will buy more openly, and not quietly. We must salute him. notworthy.gif
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His officially the UP camp already. Joined the 'BRIGHT' side. laugh.gif

Anyway, while everyone is hunting for new development, I'm looking into sub-sale unit and i really do think some of these in Cyberjaya is really worth buying. Need to get some thoughts on them.

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...wnhouse_ForSale

Why i'm interested?
-walking distance to my office
-less than rm300psf!!! dirt cheap imo
-1400sf onwards
-shopping malls are coming in soon.. end of 2014

#This is the first time i stayed in a place for 1 1/2 years and not moved yet. I'm looking for a place to move again. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(kidmad @ May 28 2013, 11:31 AM)
His officially the UP camp already. Joined the 'BRIGHT' side.  laugh.gif

Anyway, while everyone is hunting for new development, I'm looking into sub-sale unit and i really do think some of these in Cyberjaya is really worth buying. Need to get some thoughts on them.

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...wnhouse_ForSale

Why i'm interested?
-walking distance to my office
-less than rm300psf!!! dirt cheap imo
-1400sf onwards
-shopping malls are coming in soon.. end of 2014

#This is the first time i stayed in a place for 1 1/2 years and not moved yet. I'm looking for a place to move again.  tongue.gif
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tic tac need reversed phycology due to overbuying. wish him luck.
I think cyberia full of african or negro, thats why cant appreciate. Not sure whn d'pulze ready in the future..
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QUOTE(kidmad @ May 28 2013, 12:31 PM)
His officially the UP camp already. Joined the 'BRIGHT' side.  laugh.gif

Anyway, while everyone is hunting for new development, I'm looking into sub-sale unit and i really do think some of these in Cyberjaya is really worth buying. Need to get some thoughts on them.

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...wnhouse_ForSale

Why i'm interested?
-walking distance to my office
-less than rm300psf!!! dirt cheap imo
-1400sf onwards
-shopping malls are coming in soon.. end of 2014

#This is the first time i stayed in a place for 1 1/2 years and not moved yet. I'm looking for a place to move again.  tongue.gif
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to all these taiko hantu that follow me everywhere.....worgen, Maun, Amint, Zuiko

please do not check my backside ah...... sorry for knowing you notworthy.gif and please ignore me icon_rolleyes.gif ... or else this section going to lock again.

this is property thread and not "tikaram" thread.

Genrally, I still think property going Down coming forward and this is my view.....so?.... buy only if you like, need, and u can pay that 20% down payment and services that loan with your net income 1/3.

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QUOTE(tikaram @ May 28 2013, 01:29 PM)
to all these taiko hantu that follow me everywhere.....worgen, Maun, Amint, Zuiko

please do not check my backside ah...... sorry for knowing you  notworthy.gif and please ignore me icon_rolleyes.gif ... or else this section going to lock again.

this is property thread and not "tikaram" thread.

Genrally, I still think property going Down coming forward and this is my view.....so?.... buy only if you like, need, and u can pay that 20% down payment and services that loan with your net income 1/3.

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Property down? Great. Lets buy more.
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QUOTE(tikaram @ May 28 2013, 01:29 PM)
to all these taiko hantu that follow me everywhere.....worgen, Maun, Amint, Zuiko

please do not check my backside ah...... sorry for knowing you  notworthy.gif and please ignore me icon_rolleyes.gif ... or else this section going to lock again.

this is property thread and not "tikaram" thread.

Genrally, I still think property going Down coming forward and this is my view.....so?.... buy only if you like, need, and u can pay that 20% down payment and services that loan with your net income 1/3.

notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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No personal attack, no checking on you, but just interested to know your direction! Since you predict price will drop, why keep buying?
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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ May 28 2013, 06:37 PM)
No personal attack, no checking on you, but just interested to know your direction! Since you predict price will drop, why keep buying?
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If one expect market to go down, will one still keep buying now? i also wish to learn fr him. Or this is called cakap x serupa bikin and bikin x serupa cakap? doh.gif

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