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 V10 - Property Prices (Up, Down or .....), and the debate goes on and on and on ...

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AVFAN
post May 20 2013, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(joeblows @ May 20 2013, 06:25 PM)
You can increase your price 100% also if you want.

Can't afford is can't afford lo. Especially if people salary do not increase 7%.
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this is where i find it strange that so many say inflation up, tax up, duties up, people will still buy everything like nothing happens!

if and when this 7% or 10% gst strikes, we'll see some shops and restaurants, even eateries closing down. possibly some offices and small factories.

but people will still rush and pay higher and higher for properties?

ok, maybe it's also "can afford is can afford"! tongue.gif

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post May 20 2013, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ May 20 2013, 11:07 AM)
Any update on your targeted 2 storey link at damansara jaya? Drop from 850k to 700k yet?
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pls do some ROI, can property beat blowjob 9% profit fr stocks, if you believe his story. otherwise he is not interested in property investment.
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post May 20 2013, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(joeblows @ May 20 2013, 06:43 PM)
Trust me that if you talk about properties, it will not be affected by GST.

GST is hot button issue - and population especially urban is especially sensitive to rising prop price. You think gahmen is so stupid to chop their own neck by putting GST on big ticket item like prop? RM500,000 prop, GST = 35k. That's a lot yo.

Opposition can get people on the streets easily if that's the case.

Buying if you think the fundamentals is good is one thing. Buying to gamble for props on GST is a whole different story.
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Property is exempted from GST. But the material is not. So, the cost of construction will increase. Property developer will pass down the cost to buyers and hence increase in property price

If the government is serious not to affect the cost of construction, then they will put construction material as zero-rated. But it didnt.

You are right on your last comment. From the looks of it, property prices will be affected by GST. But as final price is dependant on demand and supply, who knows whether the developer can pass down the cost or not ? But my bet is that price of property will increase from the effect of GST.

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post May 20 2013, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ May 20 2013, 06:44 PM)
if and when this 7% or 10% gst strikes, we'll see some shops and restaurants, even eateries closing down. possibly some offices and small factories.


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Current service tax for restaurant is 6%. Proposed GST is 4%. So, if GST of 4% is imposed, eating in restaurant is in fact cheaper ! I supposed they have more business and make more money instead of closing down ? laugh.gif

Small eateries is exempt from GST just like the service tax now so they are not affected

Factories and manufacturers are not affected as GST only affects the end users. Factories can actually claim back GST they paid to their suppliers. The only concern is whether their supplier will mark up first before charging the GST

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GST guide line. Draft version.


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post May 20 2013, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ May 20 2013, 07:06 PM)
Current service tax for restaurant is 6%. Proposed GST is 4%. So, if GST of 4% is imposed, eating in restaurant is in fact cheaper ! I supposed they have more business and make more money instead of closing down ?  laugh.gif

Small eateries is exempt from GST just like the service tax now so they are not affected

Factories and manufacturers are not affected as GST only affects the end users. Factories can actually claim back GST they paid to their suppliers. The only concern is whether their supplier will mark up first before charging the GST
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like that, they shud have done it long time ago - cheaper food, better biz, factories no effect. so, people can keep buying higehr price home?!

i have a simple view only - any incremental gomen tax or duty anywhere will eventually show up on our all our bills, incl food, utilities, services and homes. question is yr priority - with yr income where would you spend more or less it - a new home, a new car, medical, food or education for yr kids.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ May 20 2013, 07:29 PM)
like that, they shud have done it long time ago - cheaper food, better biz, factories no effect. so, people can keep buying higehr price home?!

i have a simple view only - any incremental gomen tax or duty anywhere will eventually show up on our all our bills, incl food, utilities, services and homes. question is yr priority - with yr income where would you spend more or less it - a new home, a new car, medical, food or education for yr kids.
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I agree with you. The spending pattern will change as some goods are more expensive, and some cheaper. Until now, there are still too many uncertainties in which goods will be affected adversely, and which will be affected favourably

As far as i know, rich people will benefit more. Cars, liquor, ciggy, restaurant will be cheaper when GST replaces sales and services tax

But property will be affected. That's why if you have the intention to buy properties, it is good to buy before GST implementation.

And for commi, it sure kena GST as it is normal-rated. So commi will definitely increase in price !
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post May 20 2013, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ May 20 2013, 07:47 PM)


And for commi, it sure kena GST as it is normal-rated. So commi will definitely increase in price !
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Wow I hope tis part of ur statement comes true cos I onli keep commi.
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post May 20 2013, 08:24 PM

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Google and i am fairly sure you can find commi is normal-rated. But everything is still very fluid now. Even tax expert and custom officers are not 100% sure. Worse, at what rate is GST also we not 100% confirm yet !

But once they implement, the once in a life time chance is gone ! Act fast, buy more commi now ! laugh.gif
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post May 20 2013, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ May 20 2013, 01:48 PM)
Wow!...

look like this guy is good.

I just did what he said last week " If you buy a ready-built matured property which is way below the brand-new high priced property nearby, you have almost certainly made money."

copy from pai book?
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If that's the case, you should seriously consider flora damansara. Its way below the brand-new high prices property nearby.
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post May 20 2013, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ May 20 2013, 06:23 PM)
wow....

up up camp already syiok themself already........

market so bad really?........now scaring people with GST to push up price?.....

..need to lower down your price them people will buy from you. or else...slow slow wait la.
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Bro tic tac, dont la self condemned in front of dn dn camp. Try to flip quietly. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(joeblows @ May 20 2013, 08:46 AM)
Not doing well?

Didn't I tell you it will go up to 450? Sold off already la, boy.

LMAO....go read a bit before running your mouth here. ~9% (after minus brokerage fees) in less than 2 months. Your house can ah?  brows.gif
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Blowjob bro, anymore stock you recommending to make 9% profit? Share share, let everyone ride on your luck. notworthy.gif

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post May 20 2013, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ May 20 2013, 04:39 PM)
Don't think the up-camp need people to come here to share their cheap/ expensive buys to know whether market is down or up... I'm sure they'll know whats happening on the ground with their own networks/ acquaintances . Really many from down camp, I only read like 2... lmfao!!! Anyway, when times are good you seldom see desperate sellers, when times are bad you see a lot of desperate sellers, so what happens in the transition (in between)? You figure it out.

Whether down-camp come and share with you since you bully them, I don't know. I just know that I want the best deal, I'm in no rush and I'm ready... that's most important. I'm sure with your resource and your latest action to offload your low-end props to prepare funds is already hinting at something... care to share? lol!!!
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I agree with your point. Be ready with cash to spare and when the time comes, it is your best shot. i am looking at offload low end and streamline action to highend. so i am looking at RM 1000 to RM1400 per sqft.
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post May 20 2013, 11:34 PM

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As a tax accountant for MNC, I would say GST is actually a good thing for Malaysia on macroeconomic level and if implemented carefully.

Most accounting professionals including our bodies and audit firms have been lobbying for GST implementation for years. But we want social responsibility when introducing GST to allow the checks and balance. Malaysia also needs a very strong domestic trade LAWS (now is so pariah type) and consumerism levels to prevent GST being abused by businessman for their own benefits. GST is for our nation's future, not for businesses to make more money!

I also believe GST can solve a part of our trade mispricing that mainly causes our illicit financial outflow as more taxable, more reporting and more declaration will come into the picture. GST can also help to reduce the informal economy (businesses that do not report) by bringing more retailers and value chain suppliers into mainstream GDP computation - consumption. Our current system is not fair as only the end user pays SERVICE TAX but the supplier of that service or goods pays no tax to their suppliers.

There is no doubt that GST may cause an inflationary shock in the first few years... however, it tends to stabilise the pricing levels after those few early years. And the future benefits of capping hyperinflation actually outweigh the immediate inflation pain. At the same time, NOT EVERY THING is part of GST because the Govt can give EXEMPTIONS such as household goods, common goods, hawkers/food courts, healthcare, education, PR1MA, etc.

At a regional level, Malaysia is one of the major trading nation in East Asia that has not implemented GST. Also as part of ASEAN commitments, I think our neighbors are persuading us to intro GST now before the standardisation within ASEAN Community 2015.

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post May 20 2013, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(worgen @ May 20 2013, 09:20 PM)
Blowjob bro, anymore stock you recommending to make 9% profit? Share share, let everyone ride on your luck.  notworthy.gif
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Kid, I suggest you don't play stocks. It's much too advanced for you and you are still a immature kuchee rat.

Imagine you owning AAPL, down 2-3% last week already cry for mommy, but today it's back up another 2% to $440+.

I think for your level just save your money in piggy bank la ah boy. Don't need to kacau gor gor making money. brows.gif
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QUOTE(joeblows @ May 20 2013, 11:42 PM)
Kid, I suggest you don't play stocks. It's much too advanced for you and you are still a immature kuchee rat.

Imagine you owning AAPL, down 2-3% last week already cry for mommy, but today it's back up another 2% to $440+.

I think for your level just save your money in piggy bank la ah boy. Don't need to kacau gor gor making money.  brows.gif
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haha..if you got steel balls, try option. doubt you can even understd what is that. i can only remember fundamental and i watch. dun get burned if thats only you know all about stocks.
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post May 20 2013, 11:59 PM

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btw blowjobs, forget bout option. any stocks recommendatio?. read bloomberg or yahoo finance to get tips on fundamental. strike one more but remember dont goes against trend.
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post May 21 2013, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(worgen @ May 20 2013, 11:55 PM)
haha..if you got steel balls, try option. doubt you can even understd what is that. i can only remember fundamental and i watch. dun get burned if thats only you know all about stocks.
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Go long with stocks and short with options. So far served me well.

I don't have steel balls, otherwise I'm playing penny stocks on the NASDAQ or naked shorting stocks already.

Sigh......only kids like you can think someone will get burned by buying a blue chip stock that's among the largest cap companies in the world.
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QUOTE(worgen @ May 20 2013, 11:59 PM)
btw blowjobs, forget bout option. any stocks recommendatio?. read bloomberg or yahoo finance to get tips on fundamental. strike one more but remember dont goes against trend.
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You got steel balls? Buy PSLV.
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QUOTE(tikaram @ May 20 2013, 08:22 AM)
wow.

this thread sure running fast. drool.gif

tat3179  191
worgen  180
zuiko407  145

we have 2 same person posting rubbish like this. doh.gif

worgen

this thread has came to a point where the dwn camp like chicken without head since their leader ah dern gave up on debating and now hiding herself.

another one

worgen
this thread is dead without aunty dern.

another one again but she log in via differeny name brows.gif  brows.gif

zuiko407
I'm more interested to know they getting any cheap stuff rather than they make $$

and continue to post to me and calling  "tic tac" despite i try to ignore her childish post over time and time.  laugh.gif

and when people bought fire sales knowing something big happen in kepong and they are jealous of  poeple like me. laugh.gif

So free ka? checking people backside sweat.gif . Hard to sell off your unit? laugh.gif
come on don't be so childish! poeple don't even read her  post. doh.gif
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hhmmm, sounds like those gay guys are running out of guys to sell their butts. are they starting to evolve to become pondans ? usually pondans will like to harass guys, check out guys what they are doing, trying to act like a "pat poh".....hhhmmmm

i think their action sounds like it....but seriously tikaram, u have to understand such people in real life indeed is living in a very pity life. they have no choice but to do such things...either they are unemployed or they have to do such job to get "pity money" from certain people with vested interests.

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