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 V10 - Property Prices (Up, Down or .....), and the debate goes on and on and on ...

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debtismoney
post Mar 18 2013, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(all blacks @ Mar 18 2013, 09:45 PM)
Actually for the units tat I mentioned, Emerald from 850K went up to 970K in 7 months time period...
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Yes, so why bother to work? Why bother to increase business productivity through capital investment? See how easy to make 100k profit in 7 months.

This housing speculation frenzy is a lot worst than the 1997 stock mania... let's pray this time is different.
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post Mar 18 2013, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(all blacks @ Mar 18 2013, 09:45 PM)
Actually for the units tat I mentioned, Emerald from 850K went up to 970K in 7 months time period...
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Transacted or asking price?
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post Mar 18 2013, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(debtismoney @ Mar 18 2013, 09:51 PM)
Yes, so why bother to work? Why bother to increase business productivity through capital investment? See how easy to make 100k profit in 7 months.

This housing speculation frenzy is a lot worst than the 1997 stock mania... let's pray this time is different.
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Need to work...
Need business too...
Investment is side income, need capital from business tongue.gif
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post Mar 18 2013, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Mar 18 2013, 05:32 PM)
30% too little, make it 75%, that's isetan used to give during cny or Christmas
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Well let's put it this way, if prices drop enough, you may be looking for a job at Isetan as sales assistant, so don't be too cocky huh.

Not much market for property agent during downturn. biggrin.gif
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post Mar 18 2013, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Mar 18 2013, 09:51 PM)
Transacted or asking price?
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Transacted bro.. But there's one unit asking for 935k but junction hse.. Price is less bcoz usually Chinese and Indians dun go for those type of houses..

But nt sure if the S&P has been signed.. The last successful transaction was 950k..
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post Mar 18 2013, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(joeblows @ Mar 18 2013, 10:07 PM)
Well let's put it this way, if prices drop enough, you may be looking for a job at Isetan as sales assistant, so don't be too cocky huh.

Not much market for property agent during downturn.  biggrin.gif
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post Mar 18 2013, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(all blacks @ Mar 18 2013, 10:08 PM)
Transacted bro.. But there's one unit asking for 935k but junction hse.. Price is less bcoz usually Chinese and Indians dun go for those type of houses..

But nt sure if the S&P has been signed.. The last successful transaction was 950k..
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post Mar 18 2013, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Mar 18 2013, 05:43 PM)
boss, your calculation is true IF there's a downturn.
alternatively, let's assume there's a 5% net yield out there.
if the guy bought it immediately before the downturn, do not forget to factor in the yield he would be getting from now till the downturn.
please also do not forget the potential cap app before the downturn.

if it's for own stay, please do not forget the $$$ he would have saved from paying rental to their present landlord.

guess the debate is still on when the downturn would strike and how severe.
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Is there really 5% net yield out there? Maybe.......maybe not. You could also be stuck with a unit that you can't sell after VP. Is it risk-reward ratio worth it boss? For me, I'd say no, but maybe because I don't really have huge amounts of capital, so I need to be a little cautious. Your situation may vary.

If renting and buying a place that is equivalent to your rent, well, that's whole different issue compared to buying for investment. Still, there's no harm in waiting for after elections - one or two months of rental just to see the state of the property market after elections is really not a difficult choice to make. It's certainly what I would advice - although of course others may have a different POV.

So I guess now majority is in agreement that there will be a slowdown and slight drop although disagree on which sectors most affected and how severe right? Because it seems like from your last question - I think you believe so too......


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post Mar 18 2013, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(joeblows @ Mar 18 2013, 05:03 PM)
Why not wait till downturn and save that even 30-40%?

30% of 300K = 90K.

You've just saved yourself RM90k, adding in interest savings and everything it could be as much as RM150k over the course of 20-30 years.

That 150K you can use to treat yourself to a brand new nice Toyota Camry.

So, why not wait?
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simple. toyota camry is a rly bad car for 150k
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post Mar 18 2013, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(joeblows @ Mar 18 2013, 05:03 PM)
Why not wait till downturn and save that even 30-40%?

30% of 300K = 90K.

You've just saved yourself RM90k, adding in interest savings and everything it could be as much as RM150k over the course of 20-30 years.

That 150K you can use to treat yourself to a brand new nice Toyota Camry.

So, why not wait?
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You thought you are playing monopoly?

Play in stock market with your same methods maybe la coz volatile enough.

Play in real estate with this, how many years you have in your life?
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QUOTE(xander @ Mar 18 2013, 10:14 PM)
simple. toyota camry is a rly bad car for 150k
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No matter how bad you think a Camry is, I doubt you'd rather pay the seller and the bank interest rather than getting the car. wink.gif
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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Mar 18 2013, 10:15 PM)
You thought you are playing monopoly?

Play in stock market with your same methods maybe la coz volatile enough.

Play in real estate with this, how many years you have in your life?
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It's precisely because we don't have that many years in our lives that one should be very very cautious about buying something on 20-30 yrs loan especially when price is at record high.

You would not wanna throw 30 years of your hard earn money down the toilet because too greedy and buy in when the market is high right.

Ask the Americans how it feels like to be working hard on 2 jobs to pay off your house mortgage but the value is actually underwater....
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post Mar 18 2013, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(joeblows @ Mar 18 2013, 10:19 PM)
It's precisely because we don't have that many years in our lives that one should be very very cautious about buying something on 20-30 yrs loan especially when price is at record high.

You would not wanna throw 30 years of your hard earn money down the toilet because too greedy and buy in when the market is high right.

Ask the Americans how it feels like to be working hard on 2 jobs to pay off your house mortgage but the value is actually underwater....
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Lol. Those Americans I know all still living comfortably.

Look back this post and your post after 30 years from now. You will be laughing why you said so.

This post has been edited by kh8668: Mar 18 2013, 10:22 PM
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post Mar 18 2013, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Mar 18 2013, 10:22 PM)
Lol. Those Americans I know all still living comfortably.

Look back this post and your post after 30 years from now. You will be laughing why you said so.
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Are you sure about this? Any data?
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post Mar 18 2013, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(joeblows @ Mar 18 2013, 10:19 PM)
It's precisely because we don't have that many years in our lives that one should be very very cautious about buying something on 20-30 yrs loan especially when price is at record high.

You would not wanna throw 30 years of your hard earn money down the toilet because too greedy and buy in when the market is high right.

Ask the Americans how it feels like to be working hard on 2 jobs to pay off your house mortgage but the value is actually underwater....
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So kiasi how to earn big money
The way you think make me recall bought my 1st property in 1999

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post Mar 18 2013, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(Steven83 @ Mar 18 2013, 10:23 PM)
Are you sure about this? Any data?
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Data will only available after 30 years from now. wink.gif
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post Mar 18 2013, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(sheanhung @ Mar 17 2013, 02:13 PM)
One of them said the price might drop by half.....some more he is a lawyer.  sweat.gif
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One of the lawyers that handled my snp also said my snp will be ready in 1 week (it took him 1 month to contact me to ask me to sign)
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post Mar 18 2013, 10:48 PM

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Things are like that.

Definitely we will not go to hair salon to buy bihun soup.

This post has been edited by kh8668: Mar 18 2013, 10:49 PM
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Appreciate your compliment. One thing I learn the hard way from the 3 years writing blog is that most readers like to ridicule honest analysis sweat.gif

What I have seen happened with family in 82' and 97' really a nightmare that I vow never to see it from my home.

Been in this industry since early 2000 and consider myself not lazy spending spare time to learn finance and economics. All I can tell is assets class opportunity is always moving from one to another from time to time. Real estate in Malaysia is near its end at least for mid term.

Thus, I sold most last year and urging close friends and family to realize profit first. I walk my talk. Always believe paper 'profit' is just a mirage. It is like masturbation, period.


QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 18 2013, 06:51 PM)
ad, always enjoyed reading yr posts. thumbup.gif

i bot in 2006-09, excellent results. no eye see after that.

becos i remember what it was with bursa in the early 90s - simply punt and everyone made tens of k's within weeks. all went bust in 98.

humans have short memories of bad things, maybe? or some have no idea at all. tongue.gif
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