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 V10 - Property Prices (Up, Down or .....), and the debate goes on and on and on ...

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post Mar 18 2013, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(joeblows @ Mar 18 2013, 05:03 PM)
Why not wait till downturn and save that even 30-40%?

30% of 300K = 90K.

You've just saved yourself RM90k, adding in interest savings and everything it could be as much as RM150k over the course of 20-30 years.

That 150K you can use to treat yourself to a brand new nice Toyota Camry.

So, why not wait?
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You thought you are playing monopoly?

Play in stock market with your same methods maybe la coz volatile enough.

Play in real estate with this, how many years you have in your life?
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post Mar 18 2013, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(joeblows @ Mar 18 2013, 10:19 PM)
It's precisely because we don't have that many years in our lives that one should be very very cautious about buying something on 20-30 yrs loan especially when price is at record high.

You would not wanna throw 30 years of your hard earn money down the toilet because too greedy and buy in when the market is high right.

Ask the Americans how it feels like to be working hard on 2 jobs to pay off your house mortgage but the value is actually underwater....
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Lol. Those Americans I know all still living comfortably.

Look back this post and your post after 30 years from now. You will be laughing why you said so.

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post Mar 18 2013, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(Steven83 @ Mar 18 2013, 10:23 PM)
Are you sure about this? Any data?
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Data will only available after 30 years from now. wink.gif
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post Mar 18 2013, 10:48 PM

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Things are like that.

Definitely we will not go to hair salon to buy bihun soup.

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post Mar 20 2013, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(AMINT @ Mar 20 2013, 01:06 AM)
Like this is not fair bro. one owner may sell higher or lower than another. so how do you categorize this? I give u one example. I have been looking for a shoplot in one area (not in KV)
Lot A: asking price RM680K, Rental RM3300/monthly

Lot B (next to A only): asking price RM810K, Rental RM3600/monthly

Lot C (in another row but not so far from Lot A and B): asking price: RM600K, Rental RM2800/month

Bank valuation for all stucked at: RM600K.

So how do you categorize this? You will also pening, I guarantee you.

a) If I buy Lot A, would you say the market has dropped? Valuation is still below asking price. 85% loan only. But ROI is at 5.8%
b) If I buy Lot B, what is your comment pulak? Valuation is still below asking price., Same 85% loan. ROI is at 5.3%
c) If I buy Lot C, what is your comment pulak? Valuation is at par with asking price. Same 85% loan. ROI is at 5.6%
Not easy to categorize this part rclxub.gif None of the owners are willing to reduce the price because all said rental can cover installment. All are confident that rental can go even higher.so if one would wanna buy, asking price will be transacted price. owner's way or the highway.
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Interesting.

Bro can study their micro location of each shop.

If possible study also the tenants ' businesses. How long the Potential for them to be there. If possible get to study the term and conditions of the tenancy agreeement. Otherwise assumed that all are the same.
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post Mar 23 2013, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Mar 23 2013, 06:42 PM)
Yep. Just bought a unit at e-tiara for 410K yesterday.

Now with 2 props in my belt...I hope my own prediction won't come true....biggrin.gif, but who knows, eh?
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Lol I thought you are waiting for market down. Where is etiara?
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post Mar 31 2013, 02:45 PM

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post Apr 2 2013, 07:44 PM

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Land is free? Where to get?
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post Apr 9 2013, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(agentdiary @ Apr 9 2013, 06:03 PM)
the data used to be released with 6 weeks lag. Last year it was 8 weeks and now the last 2 quarters have been over 12 weeks with  no sign of coming. Maybe run out of ingredients to cook?
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GE13, to delay loo tongue.gif
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post Apr 9 2013, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Apr 9 2013, 11:02 PM)
Yes I totally agree... Better be quick, supply running out... Land scarce also... A lot of foreigners queuing up to come buy up everything... Cost of materials also scarce that's why prices up... 5 years ago 300k now already worth 800k... Such easy money to be made what's everyone waiting for?!? It's a no brainer... New launch must go camp there and buy... Lol!!!
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So do you buy or not? wink.gif
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post Apr 9 2013, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Apr 9 2013, 11:17 PM)
Relax la bro
Whoever still buy, they know their financial ability or holding power.
1mil units PR1MA are coming in the next 5 years, plenty of units, design and location for you to choose la
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Bro, pr1ma house will slowly increase in price. Soon no more 400k each.
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post Apr 9 2013, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Apr 9 2013, 11:28 PM)
You're bad, they started to have some hope and feel better but u directly potong stim for them.
Later they start to blame the speculator, developer, agent, banker, lawyer, valuer, all party involve in property industry.
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I know this will happen. wink.gif I just let them know early for their future planning.
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post Apr 10 2013, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(agentdiary @ Apr 10 2013, 10:17 AM)
i am very keen to know the commercial price coz the loan approval has experienced the largest shrink (past 4 yrs) in Feb.
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you should check the loan approval rate for commercial property.
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post Apr 10 2013, 04:00 PM

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http://www.starproperty.my/index.php/artic...s-noted-valuer/

Less risk for buyers
More risk for developers
So = price up tongue.gif

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post Apr 10 2013, 04:16 PM

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Secondary properties get into the property fair game
Posted on April 5, 2013 - Featured, Investment.
Previously owned homes offer a discount of up to 40% compared to developer units, say organisers


Exhibitions of new projects include the annual StarProperty fair. Now you can also check out secondary properties in the upcoming Maspex 2013.

By now, you know that property exhibitions, or specifically, exhibitions of new property projects, are held several times throughout a year. If you want a new house or apartment, this is the place to window shop all under one roof.

So far, there has never been such an exhibition for secondary properties. Until this year, that is.

Next week, the first Malaysian Secondary Property Exhibition 2013 will be held over the weekend of April 12 to 14, at the concourse of Tropicana City Mall, PJ. Organised by the Malaysian Institute of Estate Agents (MIEA), it will feature booths by 32 real estate agencies with photos and presentations of previously owned properties for sale.

“I remember going to the MPPJ building where you can buy second-hand cars, and asking myself, how can we do the same thing for the secondary property market here,” relates Erick Kho, MIEA vice president, at an interview.

“It’s another avenue for estate agents to promote their properties, and it would be a real benefit to MIEA members,” adds MIEA president Nixon Paul. “We started looking for a sponsor but we had to climb mountains, though, since this is not a tested event.”

Nevertheless, MIEA managed to secure Maybank as main sponsor, and all systems are now go.

How would you exhibit secondary properties though? There are tens of thousands of secondary properties in the market, not to mention hundreds of neighbourhoods within the Klang Valley.

Even if you could put them all under one roof, most secondary property hunters are not interested in all neighbourhoods; they already have a location in mind. And isn’t there nothing better than physically viewing the properties?

The organisers insist that the exhibition doesn’t replace more targeted means of property hunting, such as online portals or newspaper classifieds, however, but instead complements them.

Granted, many of the booths will have screens rotating pictures of all properties for sale, but you’ll also be getting various professionals at hand to answer questions for free.

These include a booth of valuers to estimate a fair price to your property, be it to buy or to sell, and a legal desk to dispense advice. EPF will also be on hand to let you know how much you can withdraw.

The organisers have worked to get sponsor Maybank to offer special interest rates during the fair. Maybank can advise you on how much you may borrow, and how much instalments you need to pay. With the help of agents, you can estimate if the rentals you may achieve will cover the loan repayments.


Paul: Viewing various properties in different locations will open buyers’ minds to what is really out there.


“Many people don’t even know how much money to come up with upfront,” says Paul. “They think they have a budget of RM500K, but when they see they have actually to pay for all other costs, they realise they can’t afford RM500K, that they can only afford RM450K.”

“We will also be having talks about investment opportunities in matured locations, the pros and cons of different properties, how property can hedge against inflation, and how the prices of properties in various locations have performed over the years,” says Siva. “We will identify hot spots around the PJ area such as TTDI, SS2, Damansara Utama, Damansara Perdana, and the places that the MRT will be going to.”

Maspex 2013 will feature a souvenir programme handbook with up to 300 “hot” properties contributed by all participating agencies. “These properties offer 30% to 40% savings compared to new properties,” says Siva. “That alone is worth a lot of money as it will have the best deals in town.”

The organisers believe that an overview such as Maspex 2013 may open your mind to options you never considered before. “This is what happens when we show clients around,” explains Paul. “Sometimes, they’ll come here looking for Section 17, and they end up buying in SS2, because it’s such a good deal. Clients we have taken out and shown have said, ‘Don’t show me a renovated house, I want to buy an old dilapidated house that I can renovate to my taste.’ The next thing you know, they buy a renovated house. So you never know. It is good to hunt with an open mind.”

Affordable homes available in secondary property

“There’s been so much hype about affordable housing, that prices have gone so high, and I cannot afford this and that, but actually they are all here, you’re just not looking, they’re in secondary properties,” suggests Paul. “For example, do you know in Paramount you can buy a condo for RM400,000? And a single storey terrace house near Section 14, PJ, was recently transacted for RM450K. When I tell people, they ask, ‘Got ah, so cheap?’”

Of course, these properties are not new. If one were willing to overlook that however, secondary properties represent a discount of between 30% to 40% compared to developer properties, say the organisers.

“Let’s take a prime location, KLCC,” offered Paul. “For newer condos, you are probably paying about RM1,000 per sq ft. But in 202DC, near the British High Commission, for example, you can get apartments for RM600 per sq ft.

“With secondary properties, you’re also guaranteed a matured location. Everything is there, conveniences, supermarket, public transport, and a ready demand if you are looking for tenants. Most importantly, if you wanted to live close to your parents in a mature location, you would more likely find it in a secondary property, than in a developer property which tends to be further away from the city.”

“You can also start renting out immediately, unlike primary properties where you have to wait two to four years until completion. In thise case, when the CF is completed, there is a rush to rent out or sell the units, and you don’t know what kind of price or rental you can achieve.”

In the process of organising Maspex 2013, MIEA has had to postpone their event a couple of times to avoid coming head-to-head with the elections. Whatever happens, the show will go on, however, says Siva.

Indeed if they could join in the spirit of the polls, it seems as this organisation of estate agents would ask you to vote for secondary properties rather than developer properties. And the place to cast your vote, they urge, would be the upcoming Maspex 2013!

Maspex 2013 will run from 11am to 8pm, on Friday to Sunday, Apr 12 to 14, at Tropicana City Mall, Petaling Jaya.


http://www.starproperty.my/index.php/artic...operty%2BWidget


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post Apr 12 2013, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Apr 12 2013, 03:19 PM)
That's cool...!!!  thumbup.gif +∞

Looks like the US isn't out of it yet...

http://www.moneynews.com/Outbrain/Trump-Af...MO_CODE=10999-1

Impact on the rest of the world??? (you may exclude bolehland if it makes you feel better)

Next article covers some actions that even our local media is doing...

http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/weidem...07/16/id/445519

BBB still? ROFL!!!!
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Malaysians are definitely still buying laugh.gif
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post Apr 13 2013, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 13 2013, 09:45 PM)
Rental play would be impossible, at least at the short to medium term.

Most of these units are unfurnished with those prices, and rental is rather at a low side unfurnished.

You still need to cover with your own money monthly.

That's why I think the prop market is bubbly....rental yield does not follow cap appreciation....
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you should change your mind that all rental collection could cover your monthly repayment at LTV of 90%. [then ppl will die die find 10% down to get their own roof, why need to pay you the rent?]

if LTV at 70% and then rents can cover your monthly repayment, then it is good enough at the current market.

in the future, many people will find it difficult to take out downpayment for their property and then they will have to keep renting.

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post Apr 13 2013, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 13 2013, 10:22 PM)
If I could not profit from renting, why bother investing in props in the first place?

cap appreciation? Not really sustainable isn't it?

Might as well park money in dividend yielding shares....
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you should flip for profit tongue.gif

renting is for long term play mid-term to long term (at least 10 years tongue.gif )
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post Apr 13 2013, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 13 2013, 10:30 PM)
I would agree if I can buy a time machine and travel back into time....

Maybe go back to 2010 or 2011...

Now the prices in Puchong for example at Setia walk is already 600 psf...

Can you fore see Puchong go up to 700- 800 sq feet?
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come on man, you definitely will say the samething in the future.

why not the price will hike? did those people in 1970s see PJ 's property price hike in 2000s?

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post Apr 14 2013, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 14 2013, 08:34 AM)
From developer to sub sale I agree...it is a Malaysian mentality thing...

But sub sale to sub sale...unless there is real significant booster on value lah...
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Same thing applied.

One bought usj terraced house corner for 530k in early 2012 that time valuation was only 480k-500k. Manage to change hand at 700k+ end of 2012.

One bought a piece of leasehold bungalow lot at 90psf in early 2012. That time valuation at only 70psf. Due to leasehold needed approval from the state government. And now it is approved and the valuation is 130-140psf. Asking then from 180psf.



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