Re: From the other thread about bargaining ...

The shop people might think you come from the competition to check on their price bottomline, or that you're going to open a competing dealership. Some of them stupid want to protect their price margin and not do volume business in this case. Of course, your nego skills and manners also count alot.

Canon's marketing team's really aggresive.
Imagine the manager Mr Teoh bringing a team, giving talks, sponsoring events like touring M'sia.
Not to mention working overtime even on weekends.

Aggresive because their products have fallen behind in the (number) game that they created themselves. Shot their own foot, you can say. But I have little respect for them, because they seem to blatantly attack the opposition without giving credit where credit is due - that shows they lack credibility in what they say ...

so this deal is considered OVER?

Since there is no discount, we buy on our own lor

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i played with D70s too buthen the lens not as good as in E330 and E500 (USM/SWM focusing mechanism)
i am not sure i was holding the D70s kit len (18-70) maybe they just plug in the D50's kit lens to the D70s body?

You can't mess the two up. The DX 18-70 from the D70 is a mid-range lens with rather good performance, and rather hefty in size. The DX 18-55 is a wimp of a lens in terms of construction quality, and is rather small and lightweight.

sorry really noob about this. that's why i am not sure about which i was holding (i forgot to notice the xx-xx number on the lens)
i need more chances to play with those cameras..

Hehe just tell my size and heft lar. The DX 18-70 is large-ish and rather heavy. It's also got two rubber rings around the lens. The DX 18-55 is small and light, with one big rubber band around it for zooming, and a skinny plastic rim up front for focusing.

they are both optically decent though from what i hear

Err, the DX 18-55 is poorly constructed, and is designed with no intention for manual focusing (skinny, unmarked ring!). The so-called SWM mechanism is also half-baked, with no ability to overwrite AF without flicking a switch - which reminds me of Canon's normal DC-driven EF lenses - not something you'd associate with USM/SWM systems. But it claims to have ED elements. Hahahaha ...

Optically speaking, it's got rather average-to-poor corner sharpness, esp. at wide open. Given the price difference between the D50 and D70 with lens, I'd think the D70 is very much more worth it with the better lens.

hmm... not really remember the size already.

but for a newbie's instinct i just felt that the olympus kit lens gave me more confortable than others LOL. so let's say the kit lens for D70s is almost as good as Olympus's then i think the D70s i was holding that was equipped with another kit lens which is from D50.(but do u think would they equip D50's kit to D70s's body?)

Err, no it wouldn't make any sense to do so. Then again, stupidity and idiocy transcends boundaries of all sorts.

ok. nvm i will try to go and play with those cameras again and judge them slowly.

20D?? no money leh is it around 4500??

anyway i'm back from the stinking KKB place mosquito everywhere...aedes some more

anyway i'm gonna buy tomolo liao kinda happy but still a bit indecisive

oh ya guys i wanna ask...when i was playing with the D70s, i noticed that the lens glass infront is kinda brownish. is it already pre-equipped with a filter?

n how many types of filter r there in the market?

i think that is not the filter. its the coating of the lens.

D50's kit lens is good, but the D70's kit lens is better. in terms of range the 18-70 wins. but when it comes to using built in flash, the 18-70 will have some problems since when you pull it to wide and take pictures with built in flash, you will notice a shadow at the bottom . easily solved by getting an external flash. in terms of picture quality, both lenses perform GOOD. as long as you dont go pixel peeping and try REALLY HARD TO FIND their flaws. anyway, get any camera and start shooting. build the photographer in you and not the equipment collecter in you.

i think i'll be sticking with the 18-70mm lens pretty long if got money then only try n get a micro nikkor lens or a super tele nikon/3rd party lens

With the 30D out, used 20D body is around the range of ħRM3500.

Btw, Vladimir's selling 30D body for RM4700.

when it hit 30 pages... is the right time to buy

hehe... 18-70mm is a very good range as a walk around lens. if you really want to get into macros. u can always purchase some close up filters( 2 +4 close up filters should do the job ). but dont buy nikon's since they are really really really expensive. or another good alternative is get the sigma 70-300mm f/4-5.6 APO DG MACRO. the one with the red ring. its a good telephoto lense and also a good macro lense.... its really soft at around 300mm but until around 250mm its really usable... if you step down the aperture to around f8 it should be acceptable for all focal lenghts.... the sigma would cost around RM750 for a new one. comes with a soft pouch + lens hood summore.