Buy D50 first, master it d move up D200/D2X, dun bother the D70s.
Important is the glass, not the plastic!
RM1000 can buy a pretty good flash plus a 50mm prime.


This post has been edited by cyberkid: Apr 12 2006, 03:05 AM

about how much for a pretty good flash and a 50mm prime?

About Rm700-800 for an sb-600. Then RM350-400 for the prime.

But that's besides the point. I really could use the flash commander feature. And in order to do that, I need to either get an sb800 + another slave or su-800 commander + another slave. Either way, the cost about the same as getting a d70s. This is an important feature for me. And from what I've heard, d2x doesn't have this feature either. Hehe.

As for glass, yeah it's important and i'm already planning the 'upgrade' path. Hehe. But the 18-55/70 kit lens is fine with me to start with but I'd rather just get an all rounder 18-200vr, a prime and a wide angle.

Anyone selling their d70(s)? =)

This post has been edited by ferox: Apr 12 2006, 04:23 AM

sorry noob here...wanna ask few questions, why u guys said 18-55 is not enough to use then the 18-70? Is it in terms of not enough in macro or telephoto that you guys mentioned?
Another question is, if i use normal film AF lenses in DSLR, what is the different between those lenses wif digital lenses??

if u actually tested both camera b4.. u can know the differences. 18-55mm really cant do much

in terms of?

updating my shopping list

crackie - Nikon D70s + SB-600

** I will opt to pay partially with credit card and cash if the salary do come-in right on time.

Mr crackie, pls copy the list before and update ur part...

Ooppss.... sorry for the mistake. Here it goes, updating my portion at no. 6

DSLR Shopping Trip
Date : End of April/Early of May
Shop: Anywhere tht is convenient and give good price, some suggest Tarita/Boeing/Foto Shangrila

Members:
1. cyberkid - Nikon D50(body) + 18-200mm VR lens + 1gb SD card + Lowepro Orion Bag
2. cfyung85 - Nikon D70s + Nikon bag
3. basSist - Nikon D70s + Nikon bag + 1Gb CF
4. Intrigue - Canon EOS 350D/Nikon D70s
5. ferox - Nikon D50 + 50mm + 18-200mm VR lens + 1gb SD + dry cabinet
6. crackie - Nikon D70s + SB600
7. k3v1n - Nikon D50+512SD+Camera Bag+Hoya Filter/Panasonic FZ30


This post has been edited by crackie: Apr 12 2006, 10:33 AM

I beg to differ.

Yeah ... is it the lens can't do much, or the photographer can't do much with the lens? Kekeke ...

And how do you expect the D2X to have remote flash commander feature when it doesn't even have a pop-up flash? Why is this feature so important anyway? Are you thinking of setting up a studio using a bunch of SB-800s?

This post has been edited by richx: Apr 12 2006, 12:15 PM

Important to me because I use a lot of flash photography and moving the flash off the camera wirelessly is rather handy. No, not setting up studio with a bunch of sb-800. Hehe. Though I'm also interested in portraiture photography. (did i spell that right?)

cyberkid... how much is that 18-200mm VR lens?

Anywhere from RM2500 - 3000

Portraiture? In a studio-type environment can lar ... But out in the open? You're better off with a flash bracket and chord. The wireless communications takes some time too ...

Why are so many people interested in the 18-200 VR? Seems like a rather optically compromised lens. I'd wait to see what the Sigma DC 17-70 with its 20cm focusing ability can do, as well as a bunch of other lenses. Not a big fan of high zoom factor lenses - they're almost always optically compromised in one way or another ...

wa...u serious?? or r u just joking?? the camera alone can kill all my life savings liao

oh ya...by the way, richx, wanna join us for the camera shopping trip?? heard u said u wanna buy a D50 for your sister

anyway, if for me a D70s n a SB600/800 is enough liao for me i take more potrait shots than telephoto/makro so 18-70mm is sufficient oledi n i heard some arguments on 18-55mm lens n 18-70mm lens

so how do u wanna compare these 2 lenses? i oso dunno... try la...

well...the simple first, 1 can only reach 55mm(about 82.5mm on a 35mm camera based on nikon 1.5x factor) n another 70mm(about 105mm on a 35mm camera). so 18-70mm can zoom more (should be )

2nd...the min aperture value for 18-70mm is 3.5-4.5
for 18-55mm is 3.5-5.6...in my opinion kinda not so good for makro shots since the min f at 55mm is only 5.6. u have no choice but to have the front n back of the object u wanna take to be in focus a bit rather than throwing everything front n back of the object out of focus. kinda hard to explain actually...have to c more photography books where they teach how to shoot makro at different aperture need some photos to compare oso n of course at 5.6 u have to use a slower shutter speed since the aperture has become smaller (flash oso can la). okla in simple words really need to test the 2 lens then only u know. but 18-55mm is sufficient for normal usage actually

n ferox/cyberkid...u guys sure u wan D50 + 18-200mm VR lens?? both of these combine together can almost buy the D200 (body) liao

so richx?? wanna join us?? the more the merrier

Nah I'm not buying anytime soon lar. My sister's sitting for SPM end of this year only - and results coming out long after that - I just want to know what kind of prices the items can get for - have to plan my savings! But I might not get her a D50 due to lack of DOF preview - and my sister is primarily a macro shooter, so it might be important to her!

When is it anyway? I wouldn't mind meeting up for yumcha/chit-chat with you guys if I can make it. Friday~Sunday I'll be away to Kota Bahru with my family tho ...

do you plan to get a closeup filter? that thing wont do macro on its own. btw max aperture is mostly irrelevant in macro photography because most of the time you'd want MORE dof, not less. macro lenses are designed to be sharpest stopped all the way down to minimum aperture.

This post has been edited by BurgaFlippinMan: Apr 12 2006, 05:51 PM

hmm...about the close up filter i dunno 18-55mm lens cannot do makro ar?? dunno leh even the panasonic FZ30 i used to use last time where the lens is 35-420mm f2.8-3.6 in a 35mm camera n only equiped with a UV filter oso can do makro liao

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DSLR Shopping Trip
Date : End of April/Early of May
Shop: Anywhere tht is convenient and give good price, some suggest Tarita/Boeing/Foto Shangrila

Members:
1. cyberkid - Nikon D50(body) + 18-200mm VR lens + 1gb SD card + Lowepro Orion Bag
2. cfyung85 - Nikon D70s + Nikon bag + 1Gb CF (SanDisk)
3. basSist - Nikon D70s + Nikon bag + 1Gb CF
4. Intrigue - Canon EOS 350D/Nikon D70s
5. ferox - Nikon D50 + 50mm + 18-200mm VR lens + 1gb SD + dry cabinet
6. crackie - Nikon D70s + SB600
7. k3v1n - Nikon D50+512SD+Camera Bag+Hoya Filter/Panasonic FZ30

ok updated mine

This post has been edited by cfyung85: Apr 12 2006, 08:09 PM

Woah from d50 vs d70s to Shopping Trip... This thread really evolve alot